Talk:Anti-Machiavel
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Appears to be a really long essay about The Prince (Machiavelli). Not encyclopedic. Tuf-Kat 03:26, Mar 30, 2004 (UTC)
Delete - unattributed essay -- Cyrius | (talk) 03:30, Mar 30, 2004 (UTC)- Not even worthy of Wikisource. Delete. RickK | Talk 03:37, 30 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Delete. Also probable copyvio[1]. Niteowlneils 03:52, 30 Mar 2004 (UTC)- Keep new stub. Niteowlneils 16:18, 31 Mar 2004 (UTC)
- Actually its a famous essay by Frederick the Great (which I didn't know until just now, see [2] and original full source here [3]). Probably is worthy of an article, but should be stubbified and placed on cleanup. I don't know about copyright status of this particular translation. -- Decumanus | Talk 03:55, 30 Mar 2004 (UTC)
- Keep, of course. Everyking 04:12, 30 Mar 2004 (UTC)
- Keep stub -- Cyrius | (talk) 05:12, Mar 30, 2004 (UTC)
- Keep, fascinating and now a good stub. Andrewa 10:42, 31 Mar 2004 (UTC)
- Keep now. RickK | Talk 06:22, 30 Mar 2004 (UTC)
- Keep! jengod 19:31, Apr 4, 2004 (UTC)
Removed Possibly Incorrect Quote
editThe quote attributed to Voltaire in this article, "If Machiavelli were alive today and an adviser to a Prince, the first thing he would advise him to do would be to publicly denounce Machiavelli," is quite possibly incorrect. A Google search of it brings up only Wikipedia. Better be safe and remove it than mess up hundreds of kids' essays :P If anyone finds evidence of this quote being correct, please place it back into the article with a citation.
Frederick and Voltaire
editSomeone, who knows more than I do, should add an important aspect, that is missing up to now. Voltaire wanted to see in Frederick a model for all living princes of Europe. After Frederick's invasion of Silesia, Voltaire realised that Frederick had not renounced on Machiavelian means of politics. He left Berlin in bitterness. Voltaire accused Frederick of having betrayed his ideals (and Frederick accused Voltaire of having abused his position in Berlin for his personal gain). Still, they wrote each other a large number of letters and I think their relationship improved in later years. 85.180.185.175 (talk) 19:33, 19 October 2013 (UTC)