Talk:Anti-Catholicism/Archive 5

Persecution of early Christians in the Roman Empire

To claim things like "Catholicism did not exist at this point." to remove this section is a POV point. Whether this much detail needs to be in THIS article is up for debate, but it should be included. The section already includes a link to the article, whether the section can be shrunk down so that it is just a summary is up for debate.Marauder40 (talk) 13:56, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

"Primarily Protestant"

Germany is listed under the Primarily Protestant countries, but the divide between Catholicism and Protestantism is almost exactly even in Germany. I don't think it should be considered "primarily" a Protestant nation. --24.167.189.100 (talk) 20:57, 18 March 2016 (UTC)

Seventh-Day Adventist doctrinal literature continues to teach that the Pope is the Antichrist, and the Roman Catholic Church is the Whore of Babylon. It should be included in the paragraph about church doctrines under the Primarily Protestant heading. Even in Catholic-dominated countries, the doctrine is promulgated albeit more tactfully.2602:306:BD15:13D0:537:70DD:982A:E1EF (talk) 00:24, 22 March 2017 (UTC)

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Misses Main History

The article fails to mention the main historical point in that the CC was essentially the central government of Europe until the 1500s. The first sign of state rebellion was Richard II killing Thomas Beckett. The CC levied taxes directly upon the populations and sent a large part back to the Vatican. The origins of the Vatican Bank. Kings of Europe usually had to have the Pope's approval for any ventures. Spain's persecution of the Jews was done at the insistence of the CC. Henry VIII broke the control of the CC in England by stopping their direct taxation and stripping the CC of its enormous wealth and land. While Catholics saw Henry as a usurper and a thief, he viewed the CC in the same way. It had all been over the Pope's refusal to grant him a divorce from Catherine. The establishment of the Church of/in England put Henry in control of the local Church rather than the Pope. In many ways the EU is the new CC, the President is the new Pope, and the EU Bank is the new Medici Bank. Like its historical predecessor, the EU lends out money to borrowers who can never pay the back the large amounts (e.g. Greece, and Spain). Such countries are then at the political mercy of the EU bureaucracy forevermore.61.68.160.141 (talk) 23:04, 16 June 2017 (UTC)

that's imaginative but it's not based on any reliable sources I have seen. Rjensen (talk) 00:44, 17 June 2017 (UTC)

"Richard II killing Thomas Beckett"

Thomas Becket, Archbishop of Canterbury was murdered in 1170, by Richard le Breton, Reginald Fitzurse, Hugh de Morville, Lord of Westmorland, and William de Tracy. Becket's recent series of excommunications was the main reason for the murder.

Richard II of England was born in 1367, 197 years following Becket's death. Dimadick (talk) 09:36, 18 June 2017 (UTC)

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Reversion of sentence

I am of the opinion this is worth including in the article:

The term "self-hating Catholic" is used to describe those who seek cover for their anti-Catholicism through Catholic self-identification. ref Clinton's Bigots Invoke Catholic Status by William J. Donahue, October 14th, 2016, catholicleague.org ref

• This was reverted, stating "Sentence is not supported by the source"... but the source states: "How pathetic. Halpin is to be excused for his rank anti-Catholic remarks because he calls himself a Catholic! Has he ever heard the term “self-hating Catholic” or “self-hating Jew”? Instead of owning up to his bigotry, he takes cover under his Catholic tent." So I think the sentence is supported by the source, and am looking to see what you all think on this.--Epiphyllumlover (talk) 15:40, 26 June 2019 (UTC)

Reliable source

An anon editor from Serbia has been challenging a major book on Serbian History. = Cohen, Philip J.; Riesman, David (1996). Serbia's Secret War: Propaganda and the Deceit of History. Texas A&M University Press. ISBN 978-0-89096-760-7. . (1) Most published reviews are VERY positive--eg Library Journal said "Offering a wealth of new information, this impressive, scholarly book is highly recommended for all history collections"-- (2) Wiki rule is that RS do not need to be neutral. WP:BIASED = However, reliable sources are not required to be neutral, unbiased, or objective. (3) It's from Texas A&M University Press a leading scholarly university press; (WP: SCHOLARSHIP states Material such as an article, book, monograph, or research paper that has been vetted by the scholarly community is regarded as reliable, where the material has been published in reputable peer-reviewed sources or by well-regarded academic presses. (4) the author is Philip J. Cohen who was a full-time senior UN specialist on Bosnia who has spent years in the Balkans doing intensive research. (5) Over 100 scholarly books and articles have relied on and cited the book. Rjensen (talk) 12:20, 10 February 2020 (UTC)

July 2020

Hello,

My Wiki handle is Enthm. This article is gracefully composed, written with obvious deliberation and research. Thank you! I’m new to Wikipedia edits so I will just offer a few wishes rather than steamroll what has been so admirably written.

Briefly—

     1) I agree with a previous editor who feels that the quote implying that anti-catholicism of liberals is perhaps an idealized antisemitism, or serves as a handy placeholder epithet. Yes, I think unfortunately the torqued equivalence of that notion could garner more groans than moral ground. Comparing gradients of oppression often make gradians feel appropriated more than associated.  Also—
      2) I mourn the assertion than LGBT activists (like me) lead today’s charge of aggressive hostilities toward Roman Catholics (again, like me!). I can stand as resolutely a Catholic, from birth, family, education, maturation and fatherhood, as any Catholic on Earth. And conterminous to that I defend my community of bravely honest gay men and women, trans- and bisexual people when I dismiss the notion of Church victimhood as utterly incorrect mythology. There stands a global, and often exasperated, consensus that the true agents of ancient, intolerable and brutal coercion in every regard of human sexuality and reproduction are the venerable but cruelly errant Catholic, Evangelical, Orthodox and Muslim institutional leaders and guardians of cruel misinformation. Unsurprisingly, gay people condemn the burnings at the stake suffered by legion in Medieval inquisitions, and our continued demonization and criminalization in the Renaissance and Westphalian Eras. These are crimes which my Church has not seen worthy of regret. The ongoing dehumanization of gay people in the 20th and 21st centuries makes us the unwilling victims of the Church, not perpetrators of anger and exasperation it brought upon itself. An institution of genuine intellectual rigor and morally deliberated inquiry would long ago have conducted a thorough Moral Commission on Catolicus Corpus Populusque, but apparently that’s unlikely for incurious men who’ve yet to reckon with Michelangelo, whose chisel of beauty was powered by his love of men, or Galileo, whose vision of the firmament was clarified by his lens of truth. Between those bookends of love and truth wait the stories of a billion Catholics, devotedly wondering if their church will ever act on the love or truth bequeathed by her sons of the Renaissance.
10:24, 10 July 2020 (UTC)~, Sincerely,  Enthm  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Enthm (talk • contribs)  

"Anti-Catholic Act"

First off, forgive me if I fail to adhere to a lot of the conventions of Wikipedia, it's my first time editing or using the talk function.

That out of the way, I wanted to question the classification of the decapitation of Junipero Serra statues as an anti-Catholic act. The destruction of these statues stemmed from a critique of Serra as an individual and his actions, not on the basis of his religion. Is an anti-catholic act defined as solely an act against Catholic people, ideas, and property regardless of what these acts are? Wanted to discuss.--Lecoylesqueak (talk) 23:40, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

United States, 20th & 21st Centuries

I am supplying an example requested in a footnote following this statement:

Although anti-Catholic sentiment declined in the U.S. in the 1960s, particularly after John F. Kennedy became the first Catholic U.S. president, traces of it persist in both the media and popular culture.[example needed] A.T.S. in Texas (talk) 18:52, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

Perhaps a relevant addition

I think it would add to the article if someone added a picture of one of the many Catholic churches that have been burned down in Canada recently. The article mentions these occurrences and the issue is somewhat relevant. I have tried looking on the Wikimedia Commons for any such image, but to no luck. IdontLikeMormons223 (talk) 22:59, 31 July 2021 (UTC)

"anti-Catholic Catholic" section

The section which begins "The term "anti-Catholic Catholic" has come to be applied to Catholics who are perceived to view..." needs a subtitle and/or section of its own. It is not related to the paragraph before it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jay Schro (talk • contribs) 07:06, 13 April 2022 (UTC)