Talk:Anthem of Hong Kong

Edit warring

There seems to be no consensus on this page at all about ordering, format, inclusion of certain topics.

I'm linking to my latest revision which I believe meets the Manual of Style guidelines for disambiguation pages (MOS:DAB) regarding an introductory line, linking to primary topic, organization of topics, and the removal of references on a disambiguation page.

Instead of warring back and forth, can we reach a consensus on this? Or at least provide some reasoning as to why you think this format should be scrapped entirely before making the edit? Bailmoney27 ^talk 13:55, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

"March of the Volunteers" is not the national anthem of Hong Kong from 1997.

Basic Law and the Law of Hong Kong didn‘t define what song will be the national anthem of Hong Kong from 1997 as Hong Kong is running the “one country two system” rule. This has not be change even China make an amendment to the Annex III of the Basic Law. It only require Hongkonger respect to the National Anthem of People Republic of China, there are no define "March of the Volunteers" will become or is the national anthem of Hong Kong.

Thus, until now, there do not have any offical national anthem of Hong Kong. Please change it back to the correct description. 82.38.166.22 (talk) 15:43, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

Warned. IP, if you copy/paste that same thing one more time, you will be sanctioned. Six ([1][2][3][4][5][6]) times is too much. El_C 16:12, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

why you protecting user using the CCP version without any reference? Where you get the informaiton as "March of the Volunteers" is national anthem of Hong Kong? There do not have any offical national anthem of Hong Kong. Please change it back to the correct content. 82.38.166.22 (talk) 16:18, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

IP, again, please try keeping your comments to one page. It's too much all over the place, still; please be patient (still still). As I explained to you on my talk page [7], I have little to no authority in choosing which version is the one to get protected, per m:Wrong version. If the current version is incorrect, then someone else who WP:AUTOCONFIRMED or higher will fix it. You may try to convince those users to do so here, but not through unrelenting repetition and browbeating.

In answer to your question: there were three protection requests for this page on the protection board (here, here, and here), which is a lot. And as mentioned, two admins, myself and another, have both protected it at the same time, to the minute ([8][9]). Both on the same latest version. [Strike: see correction below] Again, we have no power to choose which version, be it the one you like or dislike. It's purposefully set up randomly like that to prevent favouritism or bias on the part of the protecting admins. El_C 16:34, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

Where you get the informaiton as "March of the Volunteers" is national anthem of Hong Kong?

There do not have any offical national anthem of Hong Kong as Hong Kong is running “one country two system”. This has not be changed from 1997.

Please change it back to the correct content. 82.38.166.22 (talk) 16:31, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

IP, once again, slow down. Patience is a virtue. El_C 16:34, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

Correction: On closer look, the first protecting admin, did find the latest version problematic enough to override m:Wrong version and revert to a previous "good version" ([10]). I'd say you may query them on that, but you already have done that ([11]) with that same copy/patse that you've posted six now seven times (!). I probably would have figured this out sooner, but you are so unrelenting and unceasing in your advocacy for the version you favour, you're not even giving me a chance to think! El_C 16:44, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

Hello all, I've decided to be bold and try to clarify the situation (using 'de facto' and removing the word 'official'). It also helps to explain how and why it's changed over time. If you disagree, feel free to revert back - but pls explain in page talk or in edit summary why de facto/de jure is incorrect. Styx & Stones (talk) 16:50, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

I am very sorry for it, that “good version” is actually incorrect.

Hong Kong do not have a official national anthem from the 1997 since Hong Kong is under “one country two system”. We will using “national anthem of People Republic of China” as convention only. But it is not the offical national anthem of Hong Kong, at least, it is not listed on any document of Hong Kong‘s law system. 82.38.166.22 (talk) 16:51, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

That's what is meant by 'de facto'. Styx & Stones (talk) 16:52, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

As it is “de facto”, could you list the song in chronological as the "March of the Volunteers" is not the priority one. And if there do not have “official”, there is no reason listing “unofficial” to the others. 82.38.166.22 (talk) 16:57, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

Someone has provided a reference to the Basic Law Annex III. I was wrong in assuming that there was no official national anthem. I have put the reference in the article for everyone's convenience. Remember, this isn't about whether we like CCP rule over HK - it's about acknowledging the reality, and the HK Basic Law spells this out. Styx & Stones (talk) 17:25, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

The 關於中華人民共和國國都、紀年、國歌、國旗的決議 in Basic Law Annex III only announce “March of the Volunteers” is national anthem of People Republic of China.

There do not have any law define ”national anthem of Hong Kong“ as Hong Kong running “one country two system” from 1997.

Even the National Anthem law implemented on 2020, it is still not define it is the national anthem of Hong Kong, the law only require you need to respect the “national anthem of people republic of china.

It is a misunderstanding to the refered context. 82.38.166.22 (talk) 17:28, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

"The following national laws shall be applied locally with effect from 1 July 1997" – that statement says that it applies in Hong Kong. Styx & Stones (talk) 17:30, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

No, Annex III of the Basic Law does not define it as the national anthem of the People's Republic of China. It references the original 27 September 1949 resolution by which the PRC adopted March of the Volunteers as the anthem. It also says:

The following national laws shall be applied locally with effect from 1 July 1997 . . . by the Hong Kong Special Administrative Region

Hong Kong adopted the PRC's Resolution on the Capital, Calendar, National Anthem and National Flag of the People's Republic of China in this document signed by Tung Chee-hwa 董建華 on 1 July 1997, officially adopting the resolution (and therefore the anthem) in the Hong Kong SAR. Bailmoney27 ^talk 17:30, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

it applied locally as we respect “March of the Volunteers” is the “national anthem of People Republic of China”

There do not have “national anthem of Hong Kong” since Hong Kong is running “one country two system” and never will have a national anthem 82.38.166.22 (talk) 17:33, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

That statement does not reflect what the source says in its entirety. Styx & Stones (talk) 17:36, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

You're misinterpreting the context. As a provincial-level division of the PRC, Hong Kong shares the national flag, anthem, and other symbols. It's not a resolution saying "that's their anthem, and that's fine". It recognizes the national symbols of China officially given the state of Hong Kong as a division of the PRC, recognizing that the anthem would also officially apply within the Hong Kong SAR. Bailmoney27 ^talk 17:41, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

@Bailmoney27, where in WP:MOS does it say that references are prohibited from disambiguation pages? I can't see the relevant bit. Styx & Stones (talk) 17:42, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

Just left a comment on your talk page regarding that, actually! For posterity's sake: MOS:DABNOLINK states "References should not appear on disambiguation pages. Dab pages are not articles; instead, incorporate the references into the target articles.". Bailmoney27 ^talk 17:45, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

Hong Kong has it own flag, symbols as a special administration region to China. It is not auto shared between China and Hong Kong under the one country two system. Even the latest National Anthem Oridance, only require people “respect” to the “National Anthem of People Republic of China”. There do not have “National Anthem of Hong Kong”. Could you provide and source “March of the Volunteers” is? 82.38.166.22 (talk) 17:46, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

Could you provide the source on “the anthem would also officially apply within the Hong Kong SAR” ? 82.38.166.22 (talk) 17:51, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

They are shared under one country, two systems. That's what the "one country" part means. Basic Law Article 10 also addresses that: "Apart from displaying the national flag and national emblem of the People's Republic of China, the Hong Kong Special Administrative Region may also use a regional flag and regional emblem."

Furthermore, Article 18: "National laws shall not be applied in the Hong Kong Special Administrative Region except for those listed in Annex III to this Law." Interpreting that, it means that the Resolution on the National Anthem applies within Hong Kong.

One country, two systems means that the Hong Kong SAR is a provincial-level division with a certain degree of autonomy under the central government of the PRC. You're not going to find the words "national anthem of Hong Kong" because, by definition, Hong Kong is not a country. It adopts the national anthem of the PRC. Please read Basic Law in context and don't cherry-pick to try to prove your point. Bailmoney27 ^talk 17:55, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

adopted PRC resolution on national anthem doesn’t override the one country two system, as we only respect & acknowledge it is the national anthem of PRC only in that resolution. That’s why Basic Law need the Article 10 to let the national flag and national emblem be enforced. Unfortunately your theory on auto apply should not applied to Hong Kong, especially the separated it on Article 10. 82.38.166.22 (talk) 17:58, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

Article 10 separates them because they are the only symbols separated from the PRC, i.e. all Chinese national symbols apply, but Hong Kong may also maintain a separate regional flag and emblem. The anthem is not mentioned because Basic Law does not identify the anthem as a symbol that can be defined regionally; therefore, as a part of the one country in one country, two systems, the Chinese anthem applies, which is solidified in Annex III. The other editor here has also given you the same explanation. The law is unambiguous. The content here can't be changed just because you don't agree with it. Bailmoney27 ^talk 18:05, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

Annex III only respect “March of the Volunteers” is national anthem of People Republic of China. And Basic Law didn’t enforce National Anthem of PRC as the “National Anthem of Hong Kong”. Especially, Hong Kong is under “one country, two systems”. And National Anthem is not part of the “one country”. 82.38.166.22 (talk) 18:11, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

What about changing the intro to the national anthem "used in" Hong Kong instead of "of Hong Kong"? This addresses the issue that Hong Kong uses China's anthem, but also implies that Hong Kong does not currently has its own anthem. Purin128AL (talk) 18:15, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

I agree on that. We should let people understand that “national anthem of Hong Kong” is not exist. And national anthem of PRC is “used”, but it is not enforced. 82.38.166.22 (talk) 18:25, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

I feel like it can be understood in both ways. Similar to how "God Save the King" is the official anthem of Gibraltar (dependent territory of UK) and "Advanced Australia Fair" is the official anthem of Christmas Island (dependent territory of Australia) Purin128AL (talk) 18:27, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

The problem is, IP, you are taking stray words from the law and taking them out of context. Read as a whole, the law is unambiguous. Styx & Stones (talk) 17:51, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

there do not have “national anthem of Hong Kong”. 82.38.166.22 (talk) 17:52, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

What about changing the intro to the national anthem "used in Hong Kong" or "for Hong Kong" instead of "of Hong Kong"? This addresses the issue that Hong Kong uses China's anthem, but also implies that Hong Kong does not currently has its own anthem. Purin128AL (talk) 18:10, 15 November 2022 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Styx & Stones (talk • contribs)

But does it just use the PRC anthem, or does the law adopt it as HK's own anthem? [12]https://www.elegislation.gov.hk/hk/A405!en.pdf

Notice how the phrase 'the national anthem' is used. Not their anthem, not China's anthem, but 'the'. Styx & Stones (talk) 18:17, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

if you go to the definition. It was told that - “national anthem (國歌) means “March of the Volunteers” (a translation of《義勇軍進行曲》), the national anthem of the People’s Republic of China under the Constitution of the People’s Republic of China.” It is just a law enforce people respect the national anthem of PRC. There are no national anthem of Hong Kong. It is never be enforced to be. I agree change to “used”. 82.38.166.22 (talk) 18:21, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

I don't believe it has to explicitly say "Hong Kong's anthem", because Hong Kong is a dependent territory of China; the semi-autonomy granted doesn't apply to the anthem. Given that the definition of a national anthem is that it applies to sovereign states (i.e. not dependent territories) it seems like it could be more fitting language. But it might give undue weight to the idea that Hong Kong could have its own "national anthem" to begin with. Bailmoney27 ^talk 18:21, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

If we looked at the pages for other Chinese regions, do they have sections on the nation anthem? Perhaps, it might actually be better to delete this entire page, since 'national anthems' are used by nations, and Hong Kong is a special administrative region within the PRC. Styx & Stones (talk) 18:25, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

Yeah, I've slowly been coming to that conclusion as well. Macau's page does not have a section for "national anthem", and there is no dab page for "National anthem of Macau". I've sort of questioned why this needed to be a disambiguation page instead of a redirect from the beginning. I'd like to get some other editors' input on that first, though. Bailmoney27 ^talk 18:27, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

But there is a dab page for Norfolk Island though. I feel like we can keep this page but improve the wording. Here is the page Purin128AL (talk) 18:30, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

Norfolk Island's one is far stronger. If you look at the page of the second anthem, it has multiple authoritative sources like the CIA Handbook". We don't have that situation here. Styx & Stones (talk) 18:34, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

Hong Kong is really strong, 200 million out of the street. It is world record of referendum. 82.38.166.22 (talk) 18:36, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

That may be, but not relevant to building an encyclopaedia.

What would you all say to inviting someone from WP:DRN to come along? Styx & Stones (talk) 18:39, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

I'd be okay with a DRN request. Also, since you mentioned the CIA World Factbook earlier, I will note here that the Factbook lists the national anthem of Hong Kong as follows:

note: as a Special Administrative Region of China, "Yiyongjun Jinxingqu" is the official anthem (see China)

I feel like that's fairly unambiguous and might support making this page a redirect instead. Bailmoney27 ^talk 18:46, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

it should not be redirect since “god save the king” is always there. 82.38.166.22 (talk) 18:51, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

unfortuntly the CIA factbook is incorrect. As discussed above, National anthem is not auto apply to Hong Kong under one country two system unless it is enforced, but it is not happened in the pasted 25 year. 82.38.166.22 (talk) 18:56, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

There is a page for national anthem of macua also listing two there. two the question on Macau, it is enforced Macau shall using “National Anthem of PRC” by Section 12 of 26/2021. 82.38.166.22 (talk) 18:41, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

People need to stop arguing as there is no debate over facts. March of the Volunteers, whether we like it or not in Hong Kong, is protected under the National Anthem Ordinance - and incorporated into the education system as the “national anthem”. Hong Kong is an inalienable part of China under Article 1 of the Basic Law. “1 Country 2 Systems” still has the concept of 1 country, which includes the official acknowledgment of the National Anthem of the controlling state being used as the official national anthem, protected by statute.

It isn’t even a “de facto” national anthem, it’s an official national anthem - it is broadcast on TV stations in Hong Kong such as TVB Jade before the news for such recognition and purpose. So even if it isn’t your preference of a national anthem, it is the national anthem. Hk85200 (talk) 17:54, 6 January 2023 (UTC)

@Coldermobile - stop putting misinformation on this page!! Hong Kong under Japanese Occupation did not have a flag of its own so the passage you have used is WRONG and needs to be deleted.

This edit warring needs to stop. “Mother country” is not proper English. Hk85200 (talk) 02:02, 16 January 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 November 2022

"March of the Volunteers" is not the national anthem of Hong Kong from 1997.

Basic Law and the Law of Hong Kong didn‘t define what song will be the national anthem of Hong Kong from 1997 as Hong Kong is running the “one country two system” rule. This has not be change even China make an amendment to the Annex III of the Basic Law. It only require Hongkonger respect to the National Anthem of People Republic of China, there are no define "March of the Volunteers" will become or is the national anthem of Hong Kong.

Thus, until now, there do not have any offical national anthem of Hong Kong. Please change it back to the correct description. 82.38.166.22 (talk) 15:40, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

 Not done. As the template instructs, edit requests should be formulated in a direct format of change X to Y — if you wish to just have a normal discussion about the subject matter (i.e. general improvements to the page), you may do so, but not by improperly taking up WP:ER resources. El_C 16:07, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

To replace the lede with "Hong Kong have no national anthem for the territory. Since 1 July 1997 the national anthem of the People's Republic of China, the March of the Volunteers, is used by official sport teams, the government, etc., in occasions when an anthem is needed." 121.202.138.208 (talk) 09:22, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{Edit semi-protected}} template. Please take part in the existing discussions about this. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 14:13, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

Hong Kong, as a part of The People's Republic of China, the national anthem follows the People's Republic of China. For the Flag, Hong Kong have it's own Regional Flag, but for the anthem, there are no official regional anthem. HK Regional Flag is different from the National Flag, and Hong Kong have no regional anthem so the anthem follows the National anthem of the PRC. Joeccho (talk) 08:03, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

There is a case at the DRN regarding this page.

This message is to inform interested editors of a discussion at the Dispute resolution noticeboard regarding a content dispute of the official status of the anthem in Hong Kong and whether a disambiguation page is needed for this subject. Content disputes can hold up article development and make editing difficult for editors. Any editors are welcome to add themselves as a party, and you are both invited and encouraged to help this dispute come to a resolution. The thread is "National anthem of Hong Kong". Please join us to help form a consensus. Thank you! Bailmoney27 ^talk 19:22, 15 November 2022 (UTC) (DRN Volunteer)

user background to Bailmoney27

Bailmoney27 is a pro-china user, he did edit to help China hiding they are hosting centralized-camp in Xinjiang which involving genocide to the people in that region. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Xinjiang&diff=prev&oldid=925434381

He is keep re-edit the page back to his ”good version“ which interput the SEO on Google, with the CCP perfer result, now highly be attended under the current Rubgy 7s event. Cross38 (talk) 23:00, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 November 2022

142.115.139.253 (talk) 13:05, 19 November 2022 (UTC)

 Not done empty request-AINH (talk) 13:28, 19 November 2022 (UTC)

First sentence is classic logical fallacy

Flat out, Hong Kong isn't its own country. That's just a fact. Just because it has a flag. That doesn't mean anything or entitles it to it's own national anthem

Yet the first sentence stating that (even though Hong Kong has its own flag, it doesn't have its own national anthem). Except it shouldn't even have a national anthem when it is not even a country. It should instead be stated why it doesn't have a national anthem. Which is woefully missing. The whole article is so dumb as it gives the impression that Hong Kong needs a national anthem and clearly written by people unable to accept that Hong Kong is part of China and not a separate country. That's just reality and Wikipedia shouldn't have petty politics arguing that it is a country and expects a national anthem 49.195.24.220 (talk) 01:35, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 December 2022

It's completely irrelevant to state that in the first sentence that Hong Kong has its own flag. So does the state of California and Nevada, etc have flags, but they don't have a national anthem because they are not a country. You should remove the part saying that (even though it has a flag) because it is irrelevant. I don't see why it needs to be mentioned and just makes the article really stupid. 49.195.24.220 (talk) 01:45, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{Edit semi-protected}} template. Among Us for POTUS (talk) 01:48, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

Anthem, not “national anthem”

Nations have national anthems. Cities do not. The anthem of a city, if it exists, is about the city, not the nation. Or about its football team. The issue arises because Hong Kong still has separate sports teams from mainland China. If you ask a Hongkonger what the city’s anthem is, if they weren’t afraid of being charged with sedition most would say “Glory to Hong Kong”. They would not deny what the national anthem is, but that’s a different question. I know in WP this is “original research” and has no place on the article page, but putting it on the talk page for some context. 115.69.5.12 (talk) 14:23, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

w.r.t. to the claim " If you ask a Hongkonger what the city’s anthem is, if they weren’t afraid of being charged with sedition most would say “Glory to Hong Kong”. ", I am not afraid of sedition and I am a HongKonger. If you ask me what the city's anthem is, I would say "there is no city anthem, and when Hong Kong team represents Hong Kong in International Tournament the anthem to play must be "March of the Volunteers". It is shameful to not side with history on this one. There are so many folks to claim "most would say this and that", most means majority and more. Considering that the % of immigrants that move away from Hong Kong, they make up a small % of the population in Hong Kong as well. Ccue168 (talk) 03:15, 16 December 2022 (UTC)

If you're talking "majority", millions marched in 2019 and were singing "Glory to Hong Kong". A few hundred turned up for pro CCP events, to collect a free lunch box. If you are actually a Hongkonger, of course you're not afraid of being charged with sedition, you support the CCP, you can say whatever you like as long as you do that. You represent about 10% of the population. In a democracy, which Hong Kong was promised to be, you're allowed to disagree with the government. Since NSL, that's all gone. 27.96.192.14 (talk) 04:41, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

Maybe it should just be "anthem" and not "national anthem" to avoid misleading people into thinking HK is a country, When it is not but just a region and part of a country since 1997. I agree it maybe should be corrected however in the US, the national anthem sung in California or Texas is the same US National anthem. They call the anthem as "national anthem". Similarly the national anthem sung in Hong Kong is of course the country's national anthem because it is officially part of China. And most importantly, when Hong Kong sports teams compete overseas and stand at the podium. The correct national anthem is of course the March of volunteers. The page should not be claiming unofficial songs or disinformation on what the HK official national anthem is. Simpleshooter99 (talk) 01:27, 15 December 2022 (UTC)

It's the government that keeps talking about "Hong Kong National Anthem". There is no such thing. Blame them for the confusion. "Glory to HK" is the anthem of the city, not the nation. 27.96.192.14 (talk) 04:46, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

Group that are part of another country can also be described as "nation" in English. C933103 (talk) 09:32, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

Glory to HK is not even the anthem of the city, it is a representative anthem to a segment of HKers, not to the whole population. The only official National Anthem is March of the Volunteers. Hk85200 (talk) 02:01, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 December 2022

Hong Kong is part of China. So the Hong Kong national anthem is actually China national anthem. When Hong Kong sports representatives win any medal and stand on the podium, or enter a stadium for competition. The national anthem played is China national anthem. Kindly rectify this page. 182.239.88.17 (talk) 00:20, 16 December 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Have you actually read this page? It already reads: "There is no official anthem which represents only Hong Kong, a Special Administrative Region of People’s Republic of China since 1997. The national anthem of China, March of the Volunteers, serves officially as the regional anthem of Hong Kong. " Cannolis (talk) 00:43, 16 December 2022 (UTC)

Unofficial national anthem

Like Wales which is not a sovereign entity having national anthem called "Hen Wlad Fy Nhadau", Hong Kong has unofficial national anthems. Coldermobile (talk) 21:06, 18 December 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 December 2022

Change "Unofficial national anthems" to "Controversial city anthems" Ccue168 (talk) 16:58, 28 December 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: Your proposed wording would suggest that these anthems are both official and controversial, which does not seem to be accurate Cannolis (talk) 17:22, 28 December 2022 (UTC)

Only Glory to HK is significantly controversial because it was purposely for the movement. The other two are well-respected and popular HK songs that are sung by a large part of the population, and do represent a segment of the “people” or their “spirit”. Therefore they’re “unofficial national anthems” and not “controversial city anthems”. Hk85200 (talk) 02:24, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

Occupied territory?

What's with the article? Controlling state? Occupied territory? Is Hong Kong deemed an occupied territory when it's officially part of China? What's with the labelling as if Hong Kong isn't really part of China? This article reeks of sinophobic hostilities. Instead of labelling Hong Kong as being an occupied territory, it should just say Hong Kong after 1997 and keep the one sided political rhetorics out. BTStruth (talk) 16:51, 14 January 2023 (UTC)

The issue with the words, "Occupied territory" and "controlling state" is that it suggests Hong Kong is not part of China in an official capacity or its soverignty being recognised globally. I am just not sure if others can make such bold statements that Hong Kong is an occupied territory and so not officially part of China. There is no high quality sources saying that Hong Kong is not legally part of China or that China is not its mother country. So I had removed the unnecessary and loaded political statements as they are just opinions and not the official facts.BTStruth (talk) 18:59, 14 January 2023 (UTC)

Occupied territory represents the time during the 2nd world war while it was occupied by Japan from 1941-45. There was no passage where it says occupied by China as that is categorically not true. Hk85200 (talk) 01:58, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

• Checkuser note: The OP has been blocked as a sock.-- Ponyo^{bons mots} 21:53, 25 January 2023 (UTC)

@Coldermobile - stop creating misinformation

Please stop your sabotage edits on this page to continually add misinformation based on your beliefs. Go by fact rather than your own personal beliefs - whether you like it or not, March of the Volunteers is the official anthem of Hong Kong, protected by statute, and broadcast on TV and radio stations as well before the news as per requirement.

Stop adding the flag comment you love as that’s completely irrelevant to the National Anthem. Hk85200 (talk) 01:56, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

You are wrong. March of the Volunteers is China's national anthem, no law in Hong Kong say it is "National Anthem of Hong Kong", instead it is merely used and obliged as such since Hong Kong is part of China, according to official laws. C933103 (talk) 02:07, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

This is correct. 195.226.154.123 (talk) 00:04, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

Requested move 28 September 2023

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 14:51, 6 October 2023 (UTC)

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Official anthem of Hong Kong → Anthem of Hong Kong – The scope of the article is not only official anthem, thus it seems strange for title of the article say "official anthem". It is also more concise to delete the word official from the title without impacting clarity. C933103 (talk) 09:27, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

Support - per proposer's reasons. The addition of 'official' seems related to HK Government's efforts to ensure use of MotV (over GtHK) at sports events etc, whereas the distinction is within the compass of the article. BengalBob (talk) 04:31, 2 October 2023 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.