Talk:Antes people

Name

The article name should be Antes. WP:PRIMARYTOPIC.--Zoupan 03:47, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

Requested move 30 July 2015

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The result of the move request was: no consensus. Jenks24 (talk) 16:00, 19 August 2015 (UTC)

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Antes (people) → Antes – WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. Zoupan 15:12, 30 July 2015 (UTC) --Relisted. Natg 19 (talk) 06:23, 10 August 2015 (UTC)

• Comment I oppose merging the disambiguation page into a hatnote on this page. -- 67.70.32.190 (talk) 05:46, 31 July 2015 (UTC)
• Conditional support This does seem to be the primary topic, but the content of the current disambiguation page at the target is a bit much for a hatnote (particularly as this article already has a short hatnote relating to an existing redirect). However, provided the current Antes article is first moved to Antes (disambiguation), the move probably makes sense. PWilkinson (talk) 17:27, 1 August 2015 (UTC)
• Oppose - sorry outside this one subject area not convinced this is an obvious majority topic. Not least because of the plural of ante (poker): "With no antes in the mix, the blinds total 150 chips. Dividing your 30,000 stack by 150 gives a ratio of 200" etc. In ictu oculi (talk) 06:42, 10 August 2015 (UTC)

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Revert of large addition

I accidently reverted the large new addition of material by an IP before I could write in my reason. The edit appeared to contain large amounts of contentious material unrelated to the Antes.--Ermenrich (talk)

To expand on the previous. Large sections were unsourced, much of it appears to be WP:FRINGE or WP:OR. For example:

There are many misconceptions about the Slavic and Sarmatian origin, language and ethnicity. Slavs were often confused with Sclaveni or even slaves. The name Sloveny/Słaviany means people of the word, people of the fame or people of the prayer (the term Słava is somehow similar to the Iranian term Khvarenah and the Arabic term Barakah), similarly the original name of the Luwians - Lud - stil means just the people, nation or folk. Basically all the Indo-European male lines belong to haplogroup R1a, although some archaic (K, L, T), Siberian (P, Q) and Eurasian (R1b) minorities are also present. They populate Eurasia for 60 ky and are permanently present in Europe from around 40 000 B.C.E. (the ancestral haplogroup K at Peștera cu Oase). The Slavic languages are closest to Luwian language and Sanskrit and most likely resemble the hypothetical Proto-Indo-European language. Big parts of Slavic vocabulary are identical to Luwian and Sanskrit, which were preserved in written form from the 2nd millenium B.C.E. The Slavic grammar is almost identic to Sanskrit grammar, as canonised by Pāńini, 4th century B.C.E. The Iranian languages are the earliest sidebranch of the archaic Slavic, which developed during the 2nd millenium B.C.E. during the Aryan (Kassite) spread of Véđa-Веда-Wiedza (Knowledge).

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Or perhaps better:

This natural, harmonic system has been inverted by invaders and ther various -isms, e.g. imperialism, catholicism, feudalism, colonialism, protestantism, capitalism, racism, marxism, nazism, socialism, communism, stalinism, maoism, islamism…, where invaders and alien outlaws rule and the indigenous holy men were exterminated or persecuted.

Lastly: The Turkic genocide of native Indo-European populations, e.g. the Sarmatian Sarmi, Sorani and Gorani Kurds in Anatolia, Surija and Mezopotamia continues. Much of this is clearly not even about the Antes, the article is being used as a WP:coatrack to add fringe original research. That's why I have reverted it for a second time.--Ermenrich (talk) 18:41, 4 January 2020 (UTC)

@Ermenrich: FYI, we need to keep an eye on that IP, cf. [1], [2]. –Austronesier (talk) 08:16, 7 March 2020 (UTC)

Wrong data from Gimbutas

Wrong data, even if it is quoted from Gimbutas: "Pliny the Elder (Natural History VI, 35) mentions some Anti living near the shores of the Azov Sea, and inscriptions from the Kerch peninsula dating to the 3rd century CE bear the word antas." Pliny does not say anything about any Anti people. Book VI, ch. 35 of the Natural History speaks about ... Ethiopia. http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.02.0137%3Abook%3D6%3Achapter%3D35 Sattila (talk) 07:07, 15 April 2021 (UTC)

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East Slavic

This was changed from "early Slavic tribal polity" to "early East Slavic tribal polity" by an IP a few years ago but I do not think there was such a division of the Slavs at this point yet, they only just entered the historical record at this point. Mellk (talk) 01:18, 21 February 2024 (UTC)