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WikiProject Women in Green/20-Minute Article Assessment

Latest comment: 7 months ago3 comments2 people in discussion

I'm doing a 20-Minute Article Assessment per GraziePrego's request at Wikiproject Women in Green. Assessing on the six Good article criteria:

Article is stable and focused. Appears to be broad but always hard to say on a quick look - you do seem quite reliant on ABC news? It's a reliable source but perhaps it's good to use other news sources as well. In fact through reading the ADB entry I think you could add more details about her politics, for example using this sentence - "She used it as a forum through which to draw attention to social issues, including eating disorders, anaphylaxis, human trafficking, climate change, and live animal exports." Residence and children are mentioned in the infobox but not in article.
Verifiability - references are decent, she is certainly notable per WP:ANYBIO as well. Earwig doesn't flag any copyvio issues.
"As Deputy Speaker, Burke was deprived of her deliberative vote, being able only to vote in the case of a tie. On 9 October 2012, Peter Slipper resigned as Speaker of the House.[9]" - only the second of the two sentences is backed by the source?

"In the 2013 federal election, Burke suffered a 4.18% swing (2PP) against her in Chisholm, but was re-elected with 51.6% of the 2PP vote. Her tenure as Speaker ended with the defeat of the Rudd government, and the Abbott government appointed Bronwyn Bishop as Speaker. She then sought to become chief opposition whip but was not successful.[10]" - hmm same like above, only the last sentence is verifiable from the source. a source needs however to back everything before it not just the last sentence. I've run out of time to check other refs, but I'd be concerned if this pattern continued.
The one image is relevant and appropriately licensed
Prose
maybe "The member for Fisher" could be "the member for the division of Fisher"?

The sentences in "Retirement from politics" section could be pulled into one paragraph
Overall - slight concern over broadness, the article seemed otherwise in good state until checking citations turned up issues which would def need to be sorted before a GA nom. Hope this helps! Mujinga (talk) 15:20, 8 October 2023 (UTC)

whoops forgot to add comments on the lead:

" She was only the second woman to become Speaker, after Joan Child." - this is in the lead but not mentioned below and not cited anywhere.
I'd say it's worth adding the Officer of the Order of Australia here as well

Mujinga (talk) 16:11, 8 October 2023 (UTC)

Thank you very much for your assessment! Those are very useful directions for further work on this article. GraziePrego (talk) 23:18, 8 October 2023 (UTC)

GA Review

Latest comment: 6 months ago11 comments3 people in discussion

This review is transcluded from Talk:Anna Burke/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: The Blue Rider (talk · contribs) 20:16, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Good Article review progress box

Criteria: 1a. prose ( ) 1b. MoS ( ) 2a. ref layout ( ) 2b. cites WP:RS ( ) 2c. no WP:OR ( ) 2d. no WP:CV ( )

3a. broadness ( ) 3b. focus ( ) 4. neutral ( ) 5. stable ( ) 6a. free or tagged images ( ) 6b. pics relevant ( )

Note: this represents where the article stands relative to the Good Article criteria. Criteria marked are unassessed

General

@GraziePrego: hello. The review is on hold! To save us both some time I already did the minor suggestions, if you disagree on any, please do say so. — The Blue Rider 18:05, 28 October 2023 (UTC)
Wonderful thank you! I shall get to work on those improvements. GraziePrego (talk) 10:54, 29 October 2023 (UTC)

Hi @The Blue Rider, I have finished going through your comments- there are some where I have a question about the suggestion, but other than that they are done. Many thanks for your suggestions so far. GraziePrego (talk) 05:12, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

Lead

Per MOS:LEADSENTENCE, the first sentence should tell who the subject is. I suggest adding the actual role.
Done.
Per MOS:LEADCITE, unless the statements are likely to be challenged the lead doesn't need in-line citations. With that in mind, remove the citaitons.
Done.
Per MOS:INTRO, the leader does not stand as a concise version of the article and as so it should be expanded.
Done I think? Does it need more?
Remove the months of the lead.
Done.
Her being the second women to give birth while a member of the Australian parliament is not relevant for the lead.
Done.

Early life

Add wikilink to Melbourne.
Done.
She was educated at → She attended
Done.
Her dyslexia meant she took her high school exams orally → Burke has dyslexia, which led her to take her high school exams orally.
Done.
With which age was she diagnosed with dyslexia?
Done.
Add wikilink to Honours.
Done.
Before entering politics, Burke worked as a trade union → Burke worked as a trade union
Done.
Add wikilink to trade union.
Done.
Is Victoria Roads VicRoads? If so, add a wikilink.
Done.
What's a National Industrial Officer? Perhaps describe what she did instead of listing the title.
Done I think? The role is about being a spokesperson, coordinating union campaigning and also representing the union at tribunals and in court etc.
The second woman to give birth as a MP nationwide or internationally?
Done. (It was nationwide.)
MP → Member of the Parliament
Done.

Career

Join all sections into a «Career» meta-section.
Done.

Entry into politics

Add wikilink to Ashwood.
Done.
Add wikilink to Labor Party.
Done.
Is Minister for Health and Family Services a WP:COMMONNAME. If not, → Minister for Social Services.
Done, the ministerial portfolio is called that now, but at the time it was Minister for Health and Family Services.
Add wikilink to Liberal Party.
Done.
Why was she not expected to win the election?
Done- it had been held by Woolridge for more than 11 years.

Time in parliament

Per MOS:PARA, I suggest the junction of one-sentence or very short paragraphs.
Done.
Add wikilink to private member's bill.
Done.
What did the Do Not Call Register scheme consisted of? Add brief explanation.
Done.
Explain what is a Deputy Speaker.
Done.
Did the call for action about "anorexia websites" result in something concrete?
No, as of 2017 there are articles still discussing whether they should be banned. Do I need to specifically add that they were not banned?
It's not mandatory for GA but I personally think it would be a good addition, do as you will. The Blue Rider 10:56, 30 October 2023 (UTC)
Done.
Add wikilink to Speaker of the Australian House of Representatives.
Done.
Per the comments of GMH Melborune, join a couple of paragraph and remove the overly descriptive dates.
Done.
Add wikilink to backbencher.
Done.
Add wikilink to ballot.
Done.
Remove duplicated wikilink to Peter Slipper.
Done.
only the second woman → the second woman
Done.
Was she successful on the ban of the child beauty pageants?
Done, specifically said unsuccessful.
Remove wikilink from graffiti.
Done.
Why did someone vandalize her office?
The coverage doesn't give any motives- it seems odd that her office was targeted despite her being more pro-"freeing the refugees" than other members.
Why did Labor had "failed women"?
Done, explained why she said that.
Remove duplicated wikilink from Liberal.
Done.

Career after politics

Per MOS:PARA, I suggest the junction of one-sentence or very short paragraphs.
Done.
Per the comments of GMH Melborune, join a couple of paragraph and remove the overly descriptive dates.
Done.
Why is Allergy and Anaphylaxis Australia the only organization that is not on the list of institutions that Burke is a chair or board member of?
Done I think? I've moved that organisation into the same paragraph as the others, if that's the fix you mean?

Style as Deputy Speaker and Speaker

Per MOS:PARA, I suggest the junction of one-sentence or very short paragraphs.
Done.
Per the comments of GMH Melborune, join a couple of paragraph and remove the overly descriptive dates.
Done.
What is "straight-talking" and "death stare"? What's its relevance?
They're descriptions of her personality in exercising the Speaker's duties, are they a a bit marginally relevant? I can remove them if they're not needed..
This section is not correctly placed chronologically, it should be merged with «Time in parliament».
Done.
Add wikilink to question time.
Done.

Political beliefs

Is the refugee policy and food allergies the only political beliefs of her? In the other section it is mentioned she opposed those "anorexia websites" and was against child beauty pageants, for instance.
They're the beliefs she's most notable for- is this a matter of renaming the section to "prominent positions" or adding all the political beliefs that there's coverage about?
I think this section doesn't really need dates, it can easily be rewritten without them. Take for instance: In 2011, Burke made public comments expressing her opposition to the Gillard Government's 'Malaysia Solution... → Burke opposed the Gillard Government's 'Malaysia Solution...
Done, removed some dates.

Refugee policy

Per MOS:PARA, I suggest the junction of one-sentence or very short paragraphs.
Done.
Per the comments of GMH Melborune, join a couple of paragraph and remove the overly descriptive dates.
Done.
Add wikilink to caucus.
Done.
Add wikilink to valedictory speech.
Done.

Image

The image is tagged with the copyright status and is relevant, though it could use a short caption per MOS:CAPLENGTH.
The age of the image is not known- is just having "Anna Burke" as the caption useful?
In that case leave it without caption!

Stability

Last edited on 11 Oct. and no edit wars were recently in place; the article is stable.

Copyvio

Earwig's Copyvio Detector points to 12,3% (due to titles and quotes).

Sources

All sources numbers are from this version. Checked sources #5, #6, #8, #13, #14, #21, #27, #34, #51 and #55.
What makes australianwomenonline.com reliable?
Done, removed that source as all its information is reliably available in source 1.
Source #6 (Australian Dictionary of Biography) calls her husband Stephen not Steven.
Done it's Stephen, sometimes shortened to Steve, so I have made it Stephen.
Neither source #13 and #14 put quotations in anorexia websites.
Done, removed quotes and just described what the websites are.
Per WP:LINKEDIN, source #34 is not reliable because the pages lacks any official certification that its her actual page.
Done, reference and that claim are gone as I can't find anything supporting it.
Source #55 does not say she called for the closure of detention centres, only that they are a "festering wound" that kills people.
Done, fixed the description of her speech.

Comments from GMH Melbourne

Feel free to completely ignore this, I was just reading the article and thought I'd pass along some suggestions on improving the article.

Lede: Use the opening sentence to better identify the topic, perhaps by alluding to the fact she was speaker. Consider removing the word 'only' from the last sentence. Also remove the redundant citations that are already supported in the body of the article (per MOS:LEADCITE).
Haven't reach the lead review but agreed, the first sentence should follow MOS:LEADSENTENCE, and unless the statements are likely to be challenged the lead doesn't need in-line citations.— The Blue Rider 12:33, 27 October 2023 (UTC)
Consider merging the 'Early life' and 'Entry into politics' sections.
I wouldn't say her career between 20-31 years old is early life but a «Career» section that encompassed all other career-related sections could be created — The Blue Rider 12:33, 27 October 2023 (UTC)
Time in parliament: Consider making the section more concise (see WP:PL).
WP:PL is an essay and not relevant for GA, but I will take into consideration the conciseness of the prose. — The Blue Rider 12:34, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

Like I said, feel free to ignore. Thank you @GraziePrego for getting the article to the quality it is at now. Good luck with the GA review. ––– GMH Melbourne (talk) 12:18, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for your comments. — The Blue Rider

12:34, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

Thank you both for your comments! Very helpful guidance as I keep improving the article. GraziePrego (talk) 13:11, 27 October 2023 (UTC)