Talk:Anglo-Egyptian Sudan/Archive 1

Archive 1

surface area not included?

im doing a report of largest countries thoughout history why dosent this thing say in the key fact what its land or surface area is? i looked at zulu empire and it said 11,500 square miles. 76.253.139.28 (talk) 15:41, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

I added surface area and population in 1951. Hope that helps.SylviaStanley (talk) 12:26, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

Egyptian Sudan

Currently redirects here. It's fine to have this page dwell only on the British condominium but then the Egyptian occupation during the mid-19th century needs to be spun off into a separate article. — LlywelynII 02:47, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

This article needs a re-write?

I agree with Llywellan but I would go further - I think this article needs a general re-write. It has only two citations (which I put there myself). Although the preface to this article says "This article is about the administration of Sudan between 1899 and 1956...", the majority of the article is about the history of Sudan (1.1 Union with Egypt; 1.2 British involvement; 1.3 Mahdist Revolt; and 2.2 Abrogation of the condominium) which is covered elsewhere in Wikipedia. If something is not adequately covered, as Llwelyn suggests, it should be spun off into a separate article. There are also several phrases which do not seem to me to adhere to Wikipedia's Neutral Point of View. SylviaStanley (talk) 09:45, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

U are right that it needs a re-write. What are the books for that work, where are the elementar informations? --93.184.26.78 (talk) 14:49, 6 October 2015 (UTC)

I think there are books which include this period that I can try to get out of my local library and could be used for a re-write. Such as:

• MacMichael, Harold Alfred, (1934) "The Anglo-Egyptian Sudan" Faber & Faber, London
• Holt, P. M. (Peter Malcolm); Daly, M. W (2011) "The history of the Sudan: from the coming of Islam to the present day" Harlow: Longman, 6th edition
• Johnson, Douglas H., (1998) "Sudan. Part I, 1942-1950" and "Sudan. Part 2, 1951-1956"; University of London. Institute of Commonwealth Studies, Series: British documents on the end of empire. Vol. 5

Also

• Duncan, J.S.R. (1952) "The Sudan, a Record of Achievement" Blackwood
• Hyslop, John (1952) "Sudan Story" Naldrett Press
• Barbour, K.M. (1961) "The Republic of Sudan, A Regional Geography" University of London Press

I don't think there are any web pages on the Internet that can be used to link to this article. Has anybody any other suggestions?SylviaStanley (talk) 12:47, 31 July 2017 (UTC)

"Flag"

The infobox says "Flag" and shows the flags of Egypt and the UK vertically stacked, which could be misinterpreted as a single flag incorporating both of those. Can this be fixed? Call the field "Flags" and put some space between them? -- Thnidu (talk) 05:50, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

If there are serious editors

..we would see a section/undertitle about the reforms of 1922, when the status of Eagypt was changing, so also the formal status of Sudan must have changed. Its a strange article now. --93.184.26.78 (talk) 14:47, 6 October 2015 (UTC)

Governor by what branch of British government

One question this article doesn't make clear is what office of the British government was in charge of Sudan. (History of Egypt under the British isn't terribly good on this, either. My understanding is that up until 1914, Egypt was controlled under the auspices not of the Colonial Office, but of the Foreign Office, with the top British official being the Consul-General. I would assume that after the formal independence of Egypt in 1922, the Foreign Office was also in charge. I'm less certain of the formal protectorate period between 1914 and 1922, and even less sure of Sudan - was Sudan likewise under the Foreign Office? I'd guess so, but it would be useful to know for sure. john k (talk) 17:31, 12 September 2016 (UTC)

• Yes, the British Foreign Office was in charge of Sudan. References that refer to this include: Historical Dictionary of the Sudan

By Robert S. Kramer, Richard Andrew Lobban, Carolyn Fluehr-Lobban, 2013, Page 203; Ends of British Imperialism: The Scramble for Empire, Suez, and Decolonization, By William Roger Louis, 2006, page 549 and Backbench Debate within the Conservative Party and its Influence on British Foreign Policy, 1948-57, by S. Onslow, 1997, page 162.SylviaStanley (talk) 18:29, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

Why list of Chief Justices?

Can anybody explain for me the logic behind having a list of Chief Justices? The head of the legal department of the Sudan Government was the Legal Secretary. The Chief Justice was a subordinate position to the Legal Secretary. Shouldn't there therefore be a list of Legal Secretaries? Or the Civil Secretaries or the Financial Secretaries or the Directors of Economics and Trade or the General Managers of the Railways (the Sudan railways were the biggest in Africa) or whatever...?SylviaStanley (talk) 18:43, 30 July 2017 (UTC)