Talk:Andy Sipowicz

Timeline

There's a few discrepancies in the in-show timeline that have to be resolved to put together a full chronology in the article. The only one that's really thorny is the season 11 episode that revolves around Andy working his "first case" as a detective in the Peeler case and Peeler's sentence starting in 1986, when there's so many other references placing Andy's start in the detective bureau much earlier. That can be resolved by concluding that, while Peeler was in prison for 18 years, the actual investigation of the case took place several years earlier and his trial was delayed for some off-screen reason. Predestiprestidigitation (talk) 15:41, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

Protagonist

Season 1 is clearly the David Caruso show with Franz/Sipowicz as the secondary focus and some episodes giving long stretches of screen time to other characters entirely. Season 2-5 are intended to give roughly equal time to Jimmy Smits and Dennis Franz with Smits receiving top billing in the credits. The show has a problem with Simone's personal life being kind of uninteresting; he's a good guy who has his life together from the moment he's introduced so he has no real character arc to speak of, so increasingly the personal drama storylines go to Sipowicz. After Smits leaves the show in the middle of season 6, Franz is top-billed in the credits and every episode's A-plot revolves around him through the end of the series. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Predestiprestidigitation (talk • contribs) 17:42, 23 April 2021 (UTC)

Untitled

The article claims, "When his father worked as a meter reader he was stabbed in the eye with a screwdriver by a black man who did not want to pay his electric bill."

This is not entirely accurate (in fact, its dead wrong.) This is the warmed-over half truth that Andy has believed his entire life in order to justify his racism. After having a dream about his father, Andy remembers that his father was fired for drinking on the job. His father defiantly returns to his route to finish his job anyway, but since it is now after dark, he is attacked by a black man who mistakes him for a robber lurking outside of his home.

Bhwilkinson 16:18, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Also, his father read gas meters, not electric meters. Predestiprestidigitation (talk) 01:32, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

The article states, "With the exception of Andy Jr.'s death, however, Sipowicz remained sober." It has been a long time since I saw this episode but I seem to recall that a drinking binge was triggered by a small toast given to celebrate his up coming wedding. I dont think this had to do with his son’s death but I could be wrong. I dont know if this is the drinking that the writer of the article is referring to or if there was a second drinking binge. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.174.253.248 (talk) 00:17, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

You're right, he does drink at that event with Sylvia's family (it's not to celebrate their upcoming wedding tho, they're not engaged yet). This is in the first season in a kind of grey time in his sobriety where he's what some might call a "dry drunk." He's stopped drinking, but not really faced all the carnage left behind, nor gotten support to maybe have a better chance of not going back to drinking. Sylvia tells him he she cannot be with him if he's drinking. This pushes him to go to AA, something that even years later on the show, is never a comfortable fit for him. He does, however, become more self-aware and then, yes, it is true from that point on that the only time he relapses is when Andy Jr. is killed. NSpector (talk) 20:11, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

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Another use for "Sipowicz"...

I recently came across (again) a usage of Sipowicz, but this one DOES have a URL I can share. Check out this link: "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4OJNBlZ-6UU", and skip ahead to 5:47 to 5:57 (out of a total length 11:08 video). The narrator says:

"...By the way, is Worf the Sipowicz of Star Trek or what? Deep Space Nine really establishes him as the designated sufferer when he arrives..."

This is not an isolated usage of the word Sipowicz being used as a label for someone who suffers through multiple story lines. So...

Where/how should it be included in the article?

LP-mn (talk) 15:54, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

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Norman Buntz

Might be worth mentioning that Franz played a virtually identical character in the earlier police show Hill Street Blues, though his appearances were sporadic and Buntz was not a regular character. Inspiration for Sipowicz? Hanoi Road (talk) 19:41, 12 December 2019 (UTC)