Talk:Androcentrism

SERIOUS NPOV Issues here

Why is this simple word-definition article any different from this one??? "https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The" ???

 I'm calling "WP:NPOV issues" on the entire article. It is very obvious that this article is trying to "walk the line;" subtly push a message that can only be called totally political without tipping off "the censors". Since it should be just a simple word definition article how about a bot/mod just cut n paste from Webster's or whatever gets used as reference here? Or just use this very simple one: "androcentism is a synonym for discrimination that also implies males-first sexism." Saying anything in this article besides defining the word and mebbe a bit of it's history/pronunciation like the example I included is bluntly playing politics.

24.244.32.241 (talk) 21:01, 29 January 2018 (UTC)

Internet

I commented out the Internet section because it was not only unreferenced but plain stupid as well. If we look at it this way, Internet is offensive to everyone. Porn sites may offend women, religious folks, etc., gay porn can repel straights, Republican sites can repel Democrats, Bill Gates' site can repel Linux fans, etc. The great thing about Internet is that if you don't like a site, you aren't obliged to go there and read it. I don't care for porn sites and I don't remember ever accidentally happen to find one.

I'm sure that men and women use Internet in about equal numbers, but it's based on personal experience only and don't have any source. However, the statement in the article doesn't have any either, so until there are sources to prove that one of us is right, either the article's author or I, it is better left out. – Alensha ^talk 18:02, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

So, about this language thing...

In the name of WP:NPOV, the Article should mention that the already-mentioned studies indicate an incorrect popular belief in grammatical gender and biological sex being the same thing, rather than the Masculine Default Convention (a grammatical rule in both English and Latin, and in most languages throughout history) being biased against biological females.

Citing Words by William Whitaker [1] if need be as a source, I'd like to point out that "terra," the Latin noun for ground or dirt, is feminine. Dirt has no biological sex. Period. It doesn't. Nevertheless, it does have a grammatical gender (feminine) in Latin. Better yet, the word "toga" is feminine in Latin as well, despite the fact that only men ever were allowed to wear togae.

Furthermore, the noun "latrinum" (bathroom/restroom) is neuter, despite the fact that separate bathrooms were invented when Classical Latin was vernacular (there were no public bathrooms in prior history, just 1-person stalls, which were outhouses unless perhaps you were extremely rich).

In addition, the noun "cibus" (food) is masculine, regardless of whether or not you happen to be eating meat from a male animal (in which case your food really would be a he).

Latin is not the only language where these patterns--some apart from generalized masculine--are used. However, my only sound knowledge of a language other than English happens to be in Latin.

Should the Article not mention (again, NPOV, balancing the the idea of language being supposedly anthrocentric) the idea that masculine default (for example, using the "Alumi" spelling for a coed plural group even if all except one of the graduates would be "Alumnae" subtracting a single male) should be viewed in this light, that of grammatical gender as a separate concept from biological sex? The Mysterious El Willstro (talk) 05:23, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

Citations

This article has a lot of information that is not cited at all. I have added a reference improvement needed template on the article — Preceding unsigned comment added by ACanadianToker (talk • contribs) 16:04, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

I question the veracity of the source for Education. The Higher Education Policy Institute is not cited elsewhere (news, academia, etc.), save one conservative blog, and has questionable methods, including not detailing their studies and leaving out statistics. This "Think Tank" may be set up to promote an agenda as opposed to producing credible research and (genuine) non-partisan opinion.

Fallacies

This article seems to imply that men's work is necessarily androcentric because it is produced by men. I don't know if those arguments are OR, however they certainly show poor logic and sexism. 81.156.214.140 (talk) 17:46, 16 November 2014 (UTC)

'Mankind'

Mankind has it's etymology coming from 'Mann' in Old English, literally meaning 'Human'. The use of the word mankind is not an example of Androcentrism (as talked about a lot in the article); but is simply a coincidence. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.109.79.148 (talk) 13:48, 25 September 2015 (UTC)

Medical practice

Feminists accused of maternity wards of being substandard for women who are in labor, like men who designed the medical or health industry do not know the needs of women in labor, and telling women to sit or stand for hours, as well she could have bodily functions, indicates substandard practices of women in labor when men dominate the medical practice of delivery in most of the world's hospitals. 67.49.89.214 (talk) 19:31, 26 June 2016 (UTC)

Beauty standards

Many women, esp. feminists, feel men demand unrealistic, unhealthy beauty standards of what a "beautiful" woman should look like. The average size for American women is size 12, which is considered "too fat" or not attractive enough for men's idea of feminine physical beauty. The pressure to stay "thin", "young" and be shorter than men (5'5" the average height for American women vs. 5'8" for American men) is said to be very harmful to her health and self-esteem, causes depression anad anorexia among women, as well a form of sexism and misogyny. 67.49.89.214 (talk) 00:59, 27 July 2016 (UTC)

Education

"Today women in industrialized countries have far better access to education than men."

^I read the reference, it doesn't say that women in industrialised countries have better access to education, just that they are outperforming men for a combination of reasons we haven't quite figured out yet. Something about how there are now more women entering higher education than men would get the message across more accurately. This is my first wikipedia edit so apologies if I've made any mistakes!

86.176.11.170 (talk) 16:48, 3 January 2017 (UTC)

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