Talk:André Miele

Latest comment: 11 years ago by In ictu oculi in topic Removing duplicate name in lead

Requested move

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No consensus to move. Vegaswikian (talk) 22:42, 5 November 2011 (UTC)Reply

Andre MieleAndré Miele – There was no consensus regarding the use of diacritics, so this article should use the diacritics until a consensus is reached. See also: Talk:Mate Pavić.

PL Alvarez Talk, 08:12, 30 October 2011 (UTC)Reply

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pt.Interwiki

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  • Added (1) pt.wp, (2) WP Brazil tag, (3) .br WP:RS, (4) BLP own website
  • Secondly, some comments: This is a WP:BLP, accuracy should be paramount. Note also that (1) Zidlicky is primarily notable for playing in USA, Fokina is cyrillic. (2) WP:UE, WP:COMMONNAME, and WP:RS are miscited in above discussion - please look at the diacritics used in examples. In ictu oculi (talk) 13:39, 26 March 2012 (UTC)Reply

Requested move 2

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The result of the move request was: all moved. Favonian (talk) 17:50, 29 June 2012 (UTC)Reply


– (i) en.wikipedia gives category:Brazilian people full Portuguese-language names even if English-language sports websites do not represent the accents per WP:IRS "the best such sources." (ii) Wikipedia:Article titles "... to constitute an established usage, follow the conventions of the language appropriate to the subject (German for German politicians, Portuguese for Brazilian towns.." (iii) WP:UE "Søren Kierkegaard". (iv) diacritics per WP:USEENGLISH & WP:DIACRITICS "Tomás Ó Fiaich, not Tomas O'Fiaich" (v) WP:MOSPN "English Wikipedia normally retains these special characters... Hungarian mathematician Paul Erdős is spelt with the double acute accent" -- (vi) Specifics: entrevista André Miele "Eleito em 2003 o melhor juvenil do Brasil" MOS "consistency" with other en.wp Andrés from André Hazes, Dutch folk singer to André Previn, American conductor. Que fim levou? (whatever happened to?) Julio Góes ex-tenista consistency with other surname Góes, Fabio Góes Brazilian singer. The two Márcios: "Que fim levou? (what's he doing now?) Márcio Carlsson and entrevista Márcio Torres, MOS consistency with en.wp Márcios and accent-equipped sources such as Brazilian novelist Márcio Souza in NY Times = Márcio Souza in en.wp. (vii) MOS consistency with English diacritic names, Renée Geyer Australian singer, Chloë Sevigny American actress, Zoë Ball UK TV presenter, Charlotte Brontë Venezuelan judoka ;) In ictu oculi (talk) 04:03, 22 June 2012 (UTC)Reply

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Removing duplicate name in lead

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As disruptive editing counter Talk:Vizcaíno and WT:TENNISNAMES RfC. This is clearly WP:POINTY editing and counter the overwhelming consensus of the RM above to let a Brazilian have a Brazilian name. In ictu oculi (talk) 04:42, 17 April 2013 (UTC)Reply

Reverted disruptive editing based on administrative help in previous mediation. Re-tweaked wording and sourced properly to the governing bodies of the sport. He has a Brazilian name but also has a legitimate well-used alternate spelling as per sources. Fyunck(click) (talk) 06:27, 17 April 2013 (UTC)Reply
Fyunck, it's unfortunate that you're taking previous intervention (Joe Decker) on Talk:Facundo Argüello (tennis) as a permanent license to push these "André professionally known as Andre" type leads when guidelines WP:MOSBIO, not only no other en.wp BLPs do this, but also the more prominent tennis BLPs such as Björn Borg don't do this. If you tried doing this to a non-foreigner bio such as André Previn you would almost certainly be in hot water. Adding sport webpages which don't spell Björn Borg accurately such as "Core Tennis info". Retrieved 2013-04-16. ^ "ITF bio spelling". Retrieved 2013-04-16. ^ "ATP bio spelling". Retrieved 2013-04-16. achieves nothing since these sources fail WP:RS Context matters - The reliability of a source depends on context. Each source must be carefully weighed to judge whether it is reliable for the statement being made and is an appropriate source for that content. In ictu oculi (talk) 06:40, 17 April 2013 (UTC)Reply
Having said that, your new version "André Miele ...(also spelled Andre Miele[1][2][3])," is at least less bad than the original "professionally" which implied that playing tennis outside anglophone countries isn't playing professionally. How would you feel about "(also spelled Andre Miele on websites that don't use accents [1][2][3])" seeing as that would be more accurate. At all times with BLPs we are supposed to put the interest of accuracy regarding living people first:

WP:BLP Editors must take particular care when adding information about living persons to any Wikipedia page.[1] Such material requires a high degree of sensitivity, and must adhere strictly to all applicable laws in the United States, to this policy, and to Wikipedia's three core content policies:

  • Neutral point of view (NPOV)
  • Verifiability (V)
  • No original research (NOR)

We must get the article right. Be very firm about the use of high-quality sources. All quotations and any material challenged or likely to be challenged must be explicitly attributed to a reliable, published source, which is usually done with an inline citation. Contentious material about living persons (or in some cases, recently deceased) that is unsourced or poorly sourced – whether the material is negative, positive, neutral, or just questionable – should be removed immediately and without waiting for discussion.[2] Users who persistently or egregiously violate this policy may be blocked from editing.

You need to ask yourself, does your use of these sports websites and the claim that this Brazilian living person's name is also spelled without the Brazilian accent complying with the spirit of "We must get the article right. Be very firm about the use of high-quality sources." ? In ictu oculi (talk) 06:46, 17 April 2013 (UTC)Reply