Talk:Anatoly Kudryavitsky

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Man, something in the deletion notice is ever so effed up, but I don't know how to fix it. Jessicapierce 03:32, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Update - fixed now. thanks! Jessicapierce 14:45, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

During the Perestroika Period

My understanding is that the perestroika period lasted from 1987 until the Soviet Union's collapse in 1991, yet the contents of this section deals almost exclusively with Kudryavitsky's work after this period, (and doesn't mention the perestroika period -or Perestroika- even once). Perhaps the section should be retitled - thoughts? --Yumegusa (talk) 20:09, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Harte, Pryakhin, etc.

The section beginning "In 2008, according to Indymedia, Kudryavitsky exposed Jack Harte" was removed here, then re-added here. From the "Guide To Publishing" on the Indymedia website:

Q1. Who Can Publish?

A. Anybody can.

Indymedia is an open publishing news site. This means that anybody can publish news, opinions and events to the site, simply by clicking on the publish link shown on the right, which can be found in the left column on every page, and filling in the simple publish form.

In accordance with WP:USERGENERATED, "any website whose content is largely user-generated" cannot be used as a source here. I am therefore removing the paragraph in question now. It should not be re-inserted without proper sourcing, and discussion here to establish consensus, since this is the second time it has been removed. --gråb whåt you cån (talk) 21:19, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

Names

Using a person's full name the first time they are mentioned is standard writing style. Dropping the first name on the first instance is an informal style of writing that is not appropriate for an encyclopedia. There are other people who have used the surnames "Hitler" and "Stalin". See WP:OBVIOUS: "State facts that may be obvious to you, but are not necessarily obvious to the reader." I have restored this edits. Ground Zero | t 21:48, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

In your edit which I reverted you changed the subsection title from A Samizdat writer to amizdat writer, so you did not here "restore valid edit" as you put it in your edit summary. As for "one of Joseph Stalin’s concentration camps" versus "one of Stalin’s concentration camps"? WP:COMMONSENSE, please! --gråb whåt you cån (talk) 23:27, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

Per MOS:HEAD, "The provisions in Article titles (above) generally apply to section headings as well...." Wikipedia:HEAD#Article_titles says: "Do not use A, An, or The as the first word (Economy of the Second Empire, not The economy of the Second Empire), unless by convention it is an inseparable part of a name (The Hague) or it is part of the title of a work (A Clockwork Orange, The Tonight Show with Conan O'Brien)."

So "A Samizdat writer" was not a correct section heading. So I restored the valid edit of removing the article from thea section heading. Of course, I did not repeat the typo that I made the first time in also removing the "S". I did not think it necessary to point that out in the edit summary.

As far as using someone's first and last name the first time they are mentioned, I think it is common sense to follow formal writing style in an encyclopedia. Ground Zero | t 00:06, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

That's as may be. The reason your first edit was reverted was because it damaged the article, so to refer to it as a "valid edit" is simply incorrect.

As to your approach to Stalin, to guard against such a knee-jerk box-ticking approach is exactly why we have WP:COMMONSENSE. If the sentence in question were about Stalin it would be one thing, but it's not. It's not even about his concentration camps, it's about the fate of an unnamed relative of the article subject. Your position that in such a context Stalin's given name must be supplied in order to be "encyclopedic" is utterly groundless, and your attempt to justify it with the assertion "There are other people who have used the surnames "Hitler" and "Stalin"" is utterly risible. --gråb whåt you cån (talk) 09:48, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

You and I have a disagreement about the appropriate style of writing in an encyclopedia. I have provided a reference to a style guide of one of Wikipedia`s sister projects to support my argument. You are entitled to disagree with me, but I ask that you be civil. Ground Zero | t 12:06, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

Sincere apologies if my words can be read as uncivil. I restricted my comments to your edits, and they were in no sense directed ad hominem. In support of your position you asserted as follows

WP:OBVIOUS: "State facts that may be obvious to you, but are not necessarily obvious to the reader."

and

"There are other people who have used the surnames "Hitler" and "Stalin"

Thus, for your position to be tenable, it would have to be less than obvious to the reader which Mr. Stalin is referred to in the phrase "an Irishman from County Mayo who ended up in one of Stalin’s concentration camps". There's really nothing more to be said. --gråb whåt you cån (talk) 12:55, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

Our disagreement has nothing to do with "the appropriate style of writing in an encyclopedia"; rather it is about privileging common sense over the context-blind application of a "rule". --gråb whåt you cån (talk) 13:01, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

I do not see how you can think that describing my arguments as "context-blind application of a rule", "utterly groundless" and "utterly risible" can be anything but uncivil. Civility extends beyond avoiding ad hominem attacks: "editors should behave politely, calmly and reasonably, even during heated debates." I ask that instead of using these uncivil terms, you explain how the article is improved by deleting the first names of these people. I have cited a style guide above. If you do not agree with the "rule", then please explain why there is merit in ignoring in this context. Common sense is in the eye of the beholder. I do not agree that it is common sense to vary from the rule in this case, so I ask that you provide a different argument. Ground Zero | t 00:57, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

And it would appear that civility is in the ear of the beholder. I am informed that English is not your native language, GZ. Is this the case? --gråb whåt you cån (talk) 06:56, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

Yes, it is my native language. Ground Zero | t 10:24, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

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