Talk:Anadyr (river)

Are you sure?

Are we sure that Anadyr river rises from Stanovoi Mountains? --Remulazz 12:39, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

I was thinking the same thing. I've been looking into it, and it seems that what the Encyclopedia Britannica (1911 edition) calls the "Stanovoi Mountains" is something different from the "Stanovoi Range" that someone redirected that link to. I'll ask around further, maybe at the Ref Desk. Carcharoth (talk) 17:33, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

My 1985 atlas shows it most probably as rising in the tail of the Khrebet Kolymskiy. The Stanovoi Khrebet is definitely a few mountain ranges away. Maybe "Stanovoi" used to refer to an entire set of mountain ranges? I can't seem to get my Google Earth to show names of mountain ranges, even though it can find my house. Franamax (talk) 18:51, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

From [1]: "A range of mountains, called Stanovoi, rising to heights of 4000 or 5000 ft., follows the southern coast of the eastern extremity of Asia from Kamchatka to the borders of Manchuria, " - this does seem to be a different usage from the modern reference at [2], the eastern terminus at the Dzhugdzhur Mountains is at the south end of the Sea of Okhotsk, nowhere close to Kamchatka. If only EB had an article history page, we could work forward from 1911 to see when it changed ;) Franamax (talk) 19:15, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

"If only EB had an article history page..." - ROTFL! :-) Carcharoth (talk) 19:44, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Well, we have Kolymsky Heights (a book), which leads us to Kolyma and the Kolyma River. But yes, Kolymskiy seems to be the name of the mountain range. I can't find a precise reference to the source of the Anadyr river, but I did find this pdf document (Phytogeography of Northeast Asia) which gives some clues. Carcharoth (talk) 19:56, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Quite an interesting river

• Anadyr River Watershed
• "...River in the Chukot Autonomous Okrug, in the Russian Far East; length 1150 km/715 mi. The Anadyr rises in the Kolyma Mountains and flows east into the Gulf..." Hutchinson Encyclopedia article on the Anadyr River

So I think we have a winner: Kolyma Mountains. Carcharoth (talk) 20:08, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I was deep into that salmon assessment, I was coming here to congratulate you on a brilliant find. Names from that doc (the full PDF, not the summary link you put in) lead to hydrographic data from river stations, and from the geo-coords you can trace in G Earth exactly where the river is!

I think we're safe to change the source of the river, I'm thinking too that it may be time to retire "as the Ivashki or Ivachno". Also incorporate the length. Nice work! Franamax (talk) 20:48, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Further notes: I can't get the Hutchinson link, maybe you could forward the text? My preference would be Kolymskiy, as I think that's the variant better oriented to the language, but Kolyma Mountains is just fine (and has a source!). Also, with ref to a discussion elsewhere, how interesting to contrast the Encylopaedia Britannica 1911 description of "barren and desolate" with some of these sources describing a region exploding with diversity and life! Importance as a salmon stream, and check how many plant species have "anadyr" in the name. Most impressive. Franamax (talk) 21:03, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

I suspected Kolyma and Kolymskiy were referring to the same thing. Do you know how Russian works? As for the Hutchinson article, I only copied what Google quoted... And the region probably is barren if you visit it in winter! :-) Oh, and I thought the salmon thing was a brilliant find, but then I realised that it was only a link or two away from this article, as the main website was already in the external links. Carcharoth (talk) 21:15, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

I suspect that -skiy and -skiye are some kind of modifier, but I ran into a big swamp trying to google it. I'd suggest Mikkalai, but there's some red there since late May. I see Kurt shows as an ru-4, he might be a resource. Remember to tell him I nominated you though :) User:Andres is an ru-3 with relatively recent edits. We may be over-sharpening the pencil though, either version is good, with ref. to the "most commonly known as" rule. Franamax (talk) 21:38, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

I do not know if this will help you but because my english and russian are not perfect I will use example from russian wikipedia. Russian name of Krim mountains is Крымские горы. I have used this mountains for example because of letter ы. You can see in this example that name of mountain is receiving ending ...skie and because of that in my thinking right english version of name is Kolymskiy.--Rjecina (talk) 05:32, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Would you be able to find out if the Russian Wikipedia have articles on these places? I found ru:Колыма (значения), but my Cyrillic fails me after that. Carcharoth (talk) 09:57, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

What, that's easy - a dab page for Kolyma: the gulag, the river and the ramp, at least that's what the google translator says. Looking at the "ramp" article, I see that Kolymskaya and Kolymsky emerge as variants. I'll defer to anyone with even a trace of expertise in Russian or Cyrillic, but maybe I can keep poking at this translator. Have I seen the Cyrillic for Anadyr somewhere yet? (And thanx much Rjecina for the response!) Franamax (talk) 11:05, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Hello? I think this is en:wiki again, now we have the river which states the source is on the Anadyr plateau. Assuming those links work, you'll note the articles are totally unsourced, so I just had a fun walk around to where we started and small-plus-confused now. Franamax (talk) 11:22, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

The Great Soviet Encyclopedia states that the source is in Anadyr Range (to be exact the Anadyr Plateau but I believe it is the same thing), the same states ru-wiki. [3] and a few other sources claim that the the source is the Eastern slopes of Kolyma Range but since Anadyr Range said is a part of Kolyma Range I think it is the same. I would ask User:Ezhiki to check just to be sure Alex Bakharev (talk) 12:36, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

If there is still discussion about Kolyma final answer is Колымские горы [4]--Rjecina (talk) 16:33, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

That transliterates as "KOLYMSKIE GORY". And the ru:wiki article also shows the source as "Okhotsk-Kolymskom Highlands" by google translator.

So we have as candidates:

• Kolyma Mountains (Google for Колымские горы, Hutchinson/Carcharoth)
• Kolymskiy Range (from my atlas, Khrebet Kolymskiy and per Rjecina)
• Kolymskie Mountains (translit of Rjecina's latest)
• Kolyma Range (per AB)
• Anadyr Range/Anadyr Plateau (per AB)
• Kolymskaya and Kolymsky variant spellings (from ru:wiki through google translation)
• Okhotsk-Kolymskom Highlands (from ru:wiki through google translation)
• any others I may have missed?

Anyone got a dartboard? I like Kolymskiy because I can reference it, but Kolyma is also entirely supportable. Franamax (talk) 01:57, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

I think that is only three. The Kolym(a)(skiy) variants (if they are variants, someone better versed in Cyrillic transliteration should correct me here if needed), the Anadyr Range, and the Okhotsk-Kolymskom Highlands. I suspect what is really happening is that we have a large mountainous area with names for the whole region, and names for subareas and ranges within those areas, with sometime the names for the areas and the mountains being different. Okhotsk-Kolymskom in particular sounds like the name of a much larger area. See, for example, Okhotsk-Chukotka Volcanic Belt and Okhotsk Plate and Sea of Okhotsk. I think Kolyma and Anadyr are smaller areas within this large mountainous area. Remember that Kolyma consists of "roughly the Chukotka Autonomous Okrug and the Magadan Oblast." I would be tempted to stick with Anadyr Range for two reasons: (1) The Great Soviet Encyclopedia is, I think, fairly reliable about Soviet geography (more so than EB 1911!); (2) It makes sense for the Anadyr River to rise in (or at least flow though) the Anadyr Range. Of course, people should still try and find out what the exact geography and names are, but I've gone as far as I can here, though I'll still be watching with interest in case anything else is added. Carcharoth (talk) 07:47, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

If Kolima (river) from russian wiki will be original source for name then answer is Okhotsk-Kolymskom Highlands because it is writen that source of river is in Охотско-Колымском нагорье--Rjecina (talk) 14:45, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

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