Talk:Amnat Charoen province

Latest comment: 2 years ago by Elli in topic Requested move 2 December 2021

Requested move 2 December 2021

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The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. Clear consensus to rename all of these, and the same arguments apply to the other Thai provinces and districts. (closed by non-admin page mover) Elli (talk | contribs) 21:57, 22 December 2021 (UTC)Reply


– Lowercase "province" for provinces of Thailand, like we did with Category:Provinces of Vietnam, Category:Provinces of Cambodia, and Category:Provinces of Laos, after discussions at Talk:An Giang province#Requested move 7 November 2021 and WT:WikiProject Southeast Asia#Downcasing "Province" (where one user thinks Thailand may be different). Only the first 10 provinces of about 78 are listed here, and it seems clear that the result will also apply to "xxx District" articles in these countries as well. It does not seem technically feasible to list all these in a RM, or fair to lay all the work on the closer; I will work on executing moves and cleanups over time if this direction continues to have consensus. This may extend to other countries eventually, with more discussions as needed (or not -- I find no other Southeast Asia countries where this is applicable). Dicklyon (talk) 17:56, 2 December 2021 (UTC) — Relisting. BD2412 T 07:57, 11 December 2021 (UTC)Reply

@BarrelProof, , Austronesier, and Norewritingofhistory: who had ideas at the previous linked discussions, but haven't weighed in on this as the proposed resolution (limited to Thailand only as far as anyone can see at this point). Now that it's relisted, we could use more input. Dicklyon (talk) 23:14, 11 December 2021 (UTC)Reply

  • Support: This doesn't look like a difficult question. Wikipedia's MOS:CAPS says to avoid unnecessary capitalization, and when sources are mixed, to capitalize "only words and phrases that are consistently capitalized in a substantial majority of independent, reliable sources", and we've already done the same thing for various other countries when the question has recently come up. Our MOS doesn't say to put a lot of effort into surveying sources – it says to use lowercase unless there is consistent capitalization in a substantial majority of independent, reliable sources. SnowFire has noted that recent sources have favored lowercase, and GBooks, which indexes higher quality sources, also favors lowercase. Even if there was roughly an even split in sources, Wikipedia's convention would say to use lowercase. As Cinderella157 said, "contemporary usage does not show consistent capping in sources," so we shouldn't use a capital 'P'. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 23:30, 11 December 2021 (UTC)Reply
    Thanks, BP. It's not clear why this was even relisted, with 4 in support of the move, 1 neutral, and 1 weak oppose. Your support should help. Dicklyon (talk) 06:40, 16 December 2021 (UTC)Reply
  • Support. But I think the relisting was reasonable. There's enough work involved that it is important to get this right... which is the main reason I !vote rather than close myself. I note nom's willingness to pitch in with that work, and think all supporters of any move should be prepared to pitch in too (and we generally do). Andrewa (talk) 17:13, 18 December 2021 (UTC)Reply
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