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Latest comment: 2 years ago by Dawit S Gondaria in topic The article is totally off balance by sockpuppet Rastakwere. Instead of dumping it all here. Amhara Region deserves it's own article about the events happening on its territory.
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Population figures

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Amharas population in 2017 was 33 Million please update it as you (Wikipedia) have been showing us that you really have a bias against Amhara people for some reason meanwhile oromo get to change there number to 40 million and Tigray to 8 million you on purpose have decided that Amhara takes 30% of Ethiopia and today ethiopia population is 114 million * 0.30 = 34.2 Million please update this it’s racist to keep amharas status In 2007 and lie saying it’s 2017 or 2020 AbysinniaGuard (talk) 08:00, 25 March 2020 (UTC)Reply

Thanks for bringing this discussion to the talk page, which is much better than fighting it out through reverts. I checked the cited source again and noticed that it is neither from 2007 nor from 2017, but it gives the state of the population in 2014. Note that this is an official figure, originating from the Amhara Region government, and reported to the Ethiopian Central Statistics Agency. You should therefore refrain from accusing other editors of bias against the Amhara people, or of racism, when they insist on having all population claims supported by such evidence - if you do this too often, these other editors may get annoyed and take steps against this. Currently I cannot reach the CSA page to look for more current documents, but when I can, I will update the number accordingly. BTW, Oromia Region does not state the population to be 40 million, but 35 million. You are correct about the Tigray Region page, though. The stated number does not match the source. I will change that. Landroving Linguist (talk) 11:10, 25 March 2020 (UTC)Reply

Semi-protected edit request on 22 December 2020

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Loupicture (talk) 22:32, 22 December 2020 (UTC)Reply

  Not done, It's not clear what edit you want to make --🔥LightningComplexFire🔥 20:38, 13 January 2021 (UTC)Reply

Move discussion in progress

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TPLF terrorist designation by Legitimate Government of Ethiopia, EEPA NGO clarification

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Latest comment: 3 years ago12 comments4 people in discussion

@Landroving Linguist: regarding your reverts about TPLF designation as terorist group, whether its biased of the Ethiopian government or not is just your speculation. It has been designated as a terrorist group for killing federal soldiers on November the 3rd. Mutiple credible sources like Bloomberg and others have reported this, i will add additional sources they are abundant. I will also reinstate the date before 1990, that it had a history of terrorism, it doesn't have to be elaborate, i will keep it short.

As for EEPA, you rephrased to the international NGO but a Belgium based NGO with 7 employees would be more appriopriate. I highly doubt they are so renowned since none of these 7 individuals are accredited nor registered to the European Parliament like other individuals from established International NGO's are https://data.europa.eu/data/datasets/transparency-register?locale=en, important for conduct & transparancy https://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/faq/25/transparency & . I will be changing it to a Belgium based NGO with 7 employees. Dawit S Gondaria (talk) 21:19, 10 July 2021 (UTC)Reply

The Amhara Region article isn't the place to discuss how many staff EEPA has - that can be covered at EEPA. The same goes for the detail about the TPLF. Cordless Larry (talk) 21:42, 10 July 2021 (UTC)Reply
@Cordless Larry the detail of history of terrorism pre 1990 might be too much detail.
However what is not just a detail is that TPLF have been designated as a terrorist organization by the Ethiopian government, after TPLF killed federal troops on November the 3rd. It's contemporary and widely sourced, i have to insist on this point.
As for EEPA i don't care really, but suprising how a user rephrase it to The international NGO like it's a renowned global player. Dawit S Gondaria (talk) 22:04, 10 July 2021 (UTC)Reply
Look, Dawit S Gondaria, my evaluation of the status of TPLF may be much closer to your own than I want to publicly express here, but what you or I think about it has no impact on what we write on a Wikipedia page - stating as fact that they are a terrorist organization, in the context of "One man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter", is just not going to work - obviously this is a contested issue, and for that reason Wikipedia does not take sides, which in this case means that we need to avoid any editorial bias. The TPLF page is the place on Wikipedia where the question of its status as a terrorist organization needs to be discussed, presenting the important sources that speak for or against that claim. This is already happening, and I wisely keep out of that discussion. Claiming in this article here as fact that TPLF is a terrorist organization can only be seen as a POV-justification for the actions of Amhara region. In this light, Wikipedia rules do not allow us to let this statement stay, and it will need to be reverted as often as you reinsert it (which would become disruptive editing after a very short time). LandLing 22:48, 10 July 2021 (UTC)Reply
@LandLing fine, leaving out the whole terrorist statement regarding reasons you mentioned. Hoewever adressing NPOV concern of my own i will be adding that they attack federal soldiers backed with Washington post source in which TPLF offical admitted the attack(looks pretty terroristy to me) a statement from TPLF top offical on record. Short reason given for the outbreak of hostilities. This is appropriate agreed? Dawit S Gondaria (talk) 23:11, 10 July 2021 (UTC)Reply
Well, you see what happens when you feel you must address the whole big hairy question of who caused the Tigray war on this page. Have fun fighting it out with the others. My advice is: have this discussion on the Tigray war page, and restrict this page here to the bare stating of the facts, as we have it currently. Anything else will make this page another battlefield of the war that is currently dividing the Ethiopian people, and there are already too many of these battlefields. Battlefields usually come with casualties, and on Wikipedia, casualties are counted in blocked editors. LandLing 08:02, 11 July 2021 (UTC)Reply
LandLing I'm just mentioning the trigger that led to hostilities using a very reliable source, also very widely reported. You have a problem with this, but not with the EEPA ngo source and others those are not details? Somehow saying that soldiers were killed led to outbreak of hostilities should be confined to Tigray War page. I find this incredibly biased. Dawit S Gondaria (talk) 12:31, 11 July 2021 (UTC)Reply


@User:MfactDr Here we are, i explained everything in the edit summary, so if you are going to reinstate incidental claims, and selfpublished claims, then i don't see why i should refrain from adding details either. Hoewever since this has been reached through consensus so you will have to discuss it here. Dawit S Gondaria (talk) 04:42, 16 July 2021 (UTC)Reply
@User:MfactDr You reinstated the cow incident after being reverted without engaging on the talk page, and that's after you were asked on the talk page to discuss since consensus has decided that it's too incidental to be mentioned on this article. Stop being so disruptive and engage on the talk page. Dawit S Gondaria (talk) 23:55, 20 July 2021 (UTC)Reply
@User:Dawit S Gondaria, well Europe External Programme with Africa is being the major of source of incident happened tigray war. why selective war crime committed by Amhara militia has to be removed from section while you are calling TPLF Terrorist. I dont see the reason of removal of content and source at once either! you are entitled to your opinion but Please be fair editor! despite both parties ongoing war, don't be biased toward one group. MfactDr (talk) 08:20, 22 July 2021 (UTC)Reply
@User:Dawit S Gondaria, Please dont lie! the content is from Non-governmental organisation source, not selfpublished! although you don't want agree with content and source.MfactDr (talk) 08:27, 22 July 2021 (UTC)Reply
@User:MfactDr it would have been great if you just joined the discussion earlier so that you could have shaped consensus instead of pushing content and being combative in edit summaries and ignoring the talk page altogether. At the time you also included a wordpress source [1]. Through discussion with editors we arrived at a consensus to leave out incidental details/claims of what may have happend in Western Tigray out of the Amhara Region article, as you can read above i also conceded on certain things, to reach a balance on this article.
  • You on the other hand appear determined to make this article unbalanced and fill it with crimes of the Amhara militia.
  • How would you feel if i added every single dark event on the Oromia article? For example, the violent events in the aftermath of Hachalu Hundessa death, in which several businesses of non-Oromo's such as Haile Gebreselassie were targeted and burned to the ground. Or how about mentioning a detail of the death of a Gurage man, murdered because he appeared to be a Amhara wearing a Christian symbol, the cross? These events happend in Oromia, unlike the Western Tigray events outside Amhara Region. So i ask you to take in consideration the deliberations of other editors, or if you insist, try to convince also the other editors why they should accept your pov pushing. Dawit S Gondaria (talk) 08:47, 23 July 2021 (UTC)Reply

The article is totally off balance by sockpuppet Rastakwere. Instead of dumping it all here. Amhara Region deserves it's own article about the events happening on its territory.

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Latest comment: 2 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

During the Ethiopian civil conflict and TPLF terrorists agression in Amhara region

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During the Tigray War, which started on 3 November 2020, the Amhara Region actively participated on the side of the federal government of Ethiopia against the Tigray Region. There are war crimes in Humera massacre,[1][2] killings of civilians in other places,[3] looting and cattle raiding.[4] On 19 December 2020, the NGO EEPA reported that Sudan had captured Eritrean soldiers dressed in Amhara militia uniforms fighting along the Sudan border alongside Amhara special forces.[5]

On 23 November, a reporter from the Agence France-Presse news agency visited the western Tigray town of Humera, and reported that the administration of the conquered parts of western Tigray had been taken over by officials from Amhara Region.[6] By 1 March 2021, several geographical place names had been changed by the new authorities and many residents whose ethnicity was Tigrayan had been deported to the Central Zone of Tigray.[7] Eyewitnesses report ongoing ethnic cleansing and settlements that were devoid of inhabitants.[8] The Amhara Region authorities announced a plan to resettle 15,000 Amhara families in these locations, and by July 2021, this resettlement project had begun.[9]

Throughout the war, both in 2020 and 2021, massacres took place in the Amhara-occupied town of Humera in western Tigray, with people being tortured, tied up and thrown in the Tekeze River. The Italian weekly magazine Panorama published a graphic video in which Amhara soldiers killed a group of 9 people in Humera in August 2021 and then put their bodies on fire. The video also shows torturing of one man by Amhara soldiers, then tying him up, preparing to throw him in the river.[10]

A large group of Amhara militia from Wereta and the surrounding Fogera district participated in the Tigray War, where they occupied the Dima district in Tigray. On 10 July 2021, they were defeated by the Tigray Defense Forces (TDF); several Wereta militiamen, including the head of the Peace and Security Bureau of the Fogera woreda were killed on the battlefield in Fiyelwiha, a small town of the Dima district in Tigray.[11] Following defeats of the ENDF and Amhara Special Forces in the Tigray War, the Fano (militia) took revenge on Tigrayan citizens in towns in Amhara region, killing people and looting shops, for instance in Wereta, where three Tigrayans were killed.[12] Ethiopian Human Rights Commission (EHRC) has received information on the killing of three residents of ethnic Tigrayan origin in Woreta, Fogera woreda, Debub Gondar Zone of the Amhara region on 11 July 2021, and calls for civilian protection.[11] Social media displayed imagery of the corpses been drag behind three wheel motorcycles, called “bajaj”.

On 5 August 2021, Lalibela was seized by the Tigrayan forces,[13][14] and Weldiya on 11 August.[15]

Amhara Regional authorities reported that the Tigray Defense Forces killed 120-200 civilians in Chenna near the town of Dabat on 1-2 September 2021.[16][17] Reuters stated the Tigray rebels brutally killed 120 Amhara citizens over two days as of 8 September 2021.[18][19][20] According to video interviews provided to Reuters by the Gondar city government, villagers fought the TDF.[20] According to residents, TDF soldiers arrived demanding food, then killed those who resisted when fighters killed their animals and looted their properties. TPLF spokesperson Getachew Reda denied the massacre as false and accused the Amhara regional government of forcing civilians to fight.[17]

Amhara Regional authorities and local residents reported that on 9 September 2021 the Tigray Defense Forces killed 600 civilians in Zobel in Kobo (woreda).[21] On 15 September, the Ethiopian Walta TV had shown and interviewed groups of light-armed militiamen in the hills at the east of Kobo, threatening the vital North-South road across the central Ethiopian highlands.[22] Dawit S Gondaria (talk) 02:12, 5 December 2021 (UTC)Reply

References

  1. ^ Brown, Will (23 November 2020). "After the bombs they attacked with knives, claim Ethiopians fleeing peace prize winner's war". The Daily Telegraph. Archived from the original on 24 November 2020. Retrieved 24 November 2020.
  2. ^ Latif Dahir, Abdi (9 December 2020). "Fleeing Ethiopians Tell of Ethnic Massacres in Tigray War". The New York Times. Archived from the original on 9 December 2020. Retrieved 9 December 2020.
  3. ^ Situation Report EEPA HORN No. 125 - 13 April 2021 (PDF), 13 April 2021
  4. ^ Situation Report EEPA HORN No. 30 - 19 December Europe External Programme with Africa
  5. ^ Situation Report EEPA HORN No. 31 - 20 December Europe External Programme with Africa
  6. ^ "Inside Humera, a town scarred by Ethiopia's war". Reuters. 23 November 2020. Retrieved 24 November 2020.
  7. ^ Situation Report EEPA HORN No. 95 - 02 March 2021 (PDF), retrieved 2 March 2021
  8. ^ AP, 7 April 2021: 'Leave no Tigrayan': In Ethiopia, an ethnicity is erased
  9. ^ France24, 14 July 2021: 'Survival struggle': Ethnic standoff drives new phase of Tigray war
  10. ^ Burba, Elisabetta (30 September 2021). "Le atrocità commesse dai soldati amhara in Tigray" [Atrocities committed by Amhara soldiers in Tigray] (in Italian). Panorama.
  11. ^ a b The Reporter, 17 July 2021: EHRC calls for civilian protection
  12. ^ "Situation Report EEPA HORN No. 185 – 12 July 2021" (PDF). Retrieved 12 October 2021.
  13. ^ "Tigrayan forces take control of Ethiopian town Lalibela, a UN World Heritage Site - eyewitnesses". Reuters. 5 August 2021.
  14. ^ "Lalibela: Ethiopia's Tigray rebels take Unesco world heritage town". bbc.com. 5 August 2021.
  15. ^ "Tigray forces defiant in face of Ethiopia call-up". Nile Post. 12 August 2021. Retrieved 13 August 2021.
  16. ^ "Stench of death: villagers flee site of Ethiopia mass killings". France 24. 2021-09-15. Retrieved 2021-10-19.
  17. ^ a b Associated Press, 10 September 2021: At scene of Ethiopia's new killings, some fight, some flee
  18. ^ Reuters (2021-09-09). "Tigray forces killed 120 civilians in village in Amhara - Ethiopia officials". Reuters. Retrieved 2021-11-08. {{cite news}}: |last= has generic name (help)
  19. ^ AFP, 8 September 2021: Tigray rebels massacre 125 villagers in Ethiopia's Amhara
  20. ^ a b Reuters, 8 September 2021: Tigray forces killed 120 civilians in village in Amhara - Ethiopia officials
  21. ^ "ቆቦ ውስጥ ስድስት መቶ ሰው እንደተገደለ ነዋሪዎች ተናገሩ" [Residents say 600 people have been killed in Kobo]. Voice of America (in Amharic). 20 September 2022.
  22. ^ "በራያ ቆቦ የወጣቶችና ሚሊሻዎች ተጋድሎ" [Fighting between youth and militias in Raya Kobo]. Walta TV (in Amharic). 15 September 2021.
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