Talk:American Popular Revolutionary Alliance

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Some text about APRA removed from Víctor Raúl Haya de la Torre, slightly NPOV adjusted, and moved here, to be incorporated into the APRA article as appropriate:

Years later, the military government of General Juan Velasco Alvarado implemented some of his economic policies with disastrous results. By 1972, Velasco Alvarado managed to destroy Peru's anchovy fishing industry, which had once supplied a quarter of the world's fish flour. In 1985, APRA leader Alan Garcia was blamed for using similar policies which badly dammaged the economy.

POV

This article strikes me as having an anti-APRA POV. I don't have the knowledge to take on a rewrite, but someone should have a look at this. -- Jmabel | Talk 02:19, Dec 17, 2004 (UTC)

I do think this is to some extent true. I have tried to make it more neutral. Hasdrubal 19:38, 18 Dec 2004 (UTC)

"Active provincial party"?

It's in the party template, yet sounds more suited to Canada then to Peru. 62.218.64.228 21:46, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

Quote

This quote makes no sense:

Oportunistic ideological swings to the right by Haya de la Torre in the 1950s, in exchange for attaining legal status for the party, resulted in an exodus of some of APRA's most talented young leaders to the Marxist left, including the Peruvian Communist Party founded by theorist José Carlos Mariátegui.

Mariategui died in 1930 and the Communist Party was founded in the late 20s but it seems to imply that Mariategui left the "APRA movement" (recall Mariategui regarded APRA as a movement not a party) in the 1950's as a result of Haya de la Torre's shift in policy. I eliminated that last part of the sentence because of this and am just adding this so that future editors of this page understand why I removed it.--Jersey Devil 09:13, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

Mariategui was never a member of the APRA party. In fact, he is the founder of the Peruvian Socialist Party (wich, after his death, was renamed PCP or Peruvian Communist Party). It was a well known fact that Mariategui and Haya de la Torre were political enemies due to the differents approachs that both had about how to reform the country: Revolution or Cooperation. Messhermit 14:33, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

Well, from what I've read of Mariategui he did consider himself at one time part of the "APRA movement" but once Haya de la Torre broke with that concept and made it a "party" he broke away from it. Anyway, we should talk about the new "modern" Puffy "vote or die" attitude that APRA is trying to have to win youth votes in the next election. They even modified their logo into a star with glasses and Garcia has been going around dancing reggaeton. It is all pretty silly. [1]--Jersey Devil 22:33, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

Well, I'm an Aprista, I believe in Haya de la Torre's ideologies and José Carlos Mariátegui did not want to be part of the APRA because he was a Socialist. Búfalo Barreto (talk) 19:07, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

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Merger proposal

I propose that National Executive Committee of the Peruvian Aprista Party be merged into American Popular Revolutionary Alliance. The former is about the leadership council of this party. Both articles are very short and there is absolutely no reason why the information about the party's leadership should not be incorporated into this article. RJFF (talk) 15:55, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

Well, I think it shouldn't be merged with the American Popular Revolutionary Alliance page. I checked the Democratic National Committee and Republican National Committee pages and they are the equivalent to my created page. I just inserted some references. Please compare the two pages, the National Executive Committee of the Peruvian Aprista Party and the Democratic National Committee. Best Regards Búfalo Barreto (talk) 19:03, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

The difference is that the articles Democratic Party (United States) and Republican Party (United States) are very long. As a general rule, a Wikipedia article should not be longer than 50 kB. If it is longer, contents should be split off and outsourced to other articles. The articles of the major US parties have 90 kB and 132 kB respectively. The article on APRA is only 10 kB long, so there should be no problem to incorporate the information about its National Executive Committee (3 kB), without the article becoming too long. --RJFF (talk) 11:44, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

Fine, It's OK, I'll create a new section inside the American Popular Revolutionary Alliance. The merger is working. Thank you for the advice, Best Regards Búfalo Barreto (talk) 12:24, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

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The result of the move request was: not moved. Per WP:COMMONNAME. (non-admin closure) Captain Jack Sparrow (talk) 08:04, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

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American Popular Revolutionary Alliance → Peruvian Aprista Party – We should use the organizations actual name as currently we are using it's old name as the page name, while using the parties current name everywhere else. The the old name no longer applies as outlined in the article. Completely Random Guy (talk) 10:19, 28 April 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. – MaterialWorks 19:41, 5 May 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. EggRoll97 ^(talk) 23:27, 12 May 2023 (UTC)— Relisting. >>> Extorc.talk 07:39, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose Current title seems to be the common name (see Ngrams). Number 57 16:56, 4 May 2023 (UTC)
  • Response The chart is very informative, thank you! I will bookmark that website for future reference! It appears American Popular Revolutionary Alliance is searched more often, however I feel as if it is not exactly honest to leave the current name, because as we know the party changed its name to Peruvian Aprista Party. As Wikipedia is the world's largest online encyclopedia, and the first result to come up on Google when someone wants to research something, if we changed the old name to the official name, more people will start knowing it as such, and searching for that name, and the usage of the name will become more common and popular and eventually replace the old name. Just a thought! Completely Random Guy (talk) 00:41, 6 May 2023 (UTC)

    Hello. While American Popular Revolutionary Alliance is the name of the inter-continental organization, Peruvian Aprista Party is the official name as a political party since September 20, 1930, the day it was founded in Peru. Before then, it was just an inter-continental organization with a plan to establish as many national enclaves throughout Latin America, ultimately only the Peruvian surviving till this day. Peruvian Aprista Party usually is interchanged with just APRA or PAP in official documents, while the full American Popular Revolutionary Alliance is not used at all. LordSidiousOfPeru (talk) 05:49, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

Wonderful! So 2 to 1 in favor of approving the name change. Completely Random Guy (talk) 23:35, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

Relisting comment: Relisting to get a clearer consensus. – MaterialWorks 19:41, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

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