Talk:Amelia Earhart

Citation needed found

Hello,

I saw there was a citation needed for the sentence under education, "In 1909, when the family was reunited in Des Moines, the Earhart children were enrolled in public school for the first time and Amelia, 12, entered seventh grade."

I believe I found a good source that could be placed. I will link the pdf and citation below.

Legislative Services Agency. 2019. “Pieces of Iowa's Past.” Pieces of Iowa's Past. https://www.legis.iowa.gov/docs/publications/TB/1037670.pdf. Gwynth Rae (talk) 19:24, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

 Done Hi, Gwynth Rae, good find! Not sure why it wasn't added before, but I've added it now. Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 14:10, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

Only testing

I tried to make an Edit Request and it just vanished. So will this simple entry work? 14.201.77.123 (talk) 13:27, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

Just had more trouble 14.201.77.123 (talk) 13:37, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

WHY ON EARTH when I make junk comments they come through, but when I try to do something useful (4 tries) they just vanish????? 14.201.77.123 (talk) 13:40, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

I wonder if it dislikes URLs. So I have gelded the URL (most of the commas should be slashes) and here goes:

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Please update the reference which is currently number 158: "Brandenberg, Bob. Probability of Betty Hearing Amelia on a Harmonic"The main link is broken and the archived link only links to a PDF which is only an included table in the (old) main report. There is an updated version of the main report which now is "Harmony and Power: Could Betty Have Heard Amelia Earhart on a Harmonic?" at https,,,tighar.org,Projects,Earhart,Archives,Research,ResearchPapers,Brandenburg,HarmonyandPower.htm

Please substitute this in the reference. Thanks. 14.201.77.123 (talk) 13:49, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

Another test: https,,,tighar.org/Projects/Earhart/Archives/Research/ResearchPapers/Brandenburg/HarmonyandPower.htm 14.201.77.123 (talk) 23:59, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

Please fix bad reference/link

Please fix the reference as described in the end part of the previous section "Only testing". Thanks. 14.201.77.123 (talk) 13:55, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

Are you sure the link you provided is in fact an updated version of the current source? From what I can see, the "revised" date of your link predated the current source by at least several months (if the year in the reference is to be believed]. - ZLEA _T\^C 15:10, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

@ZLEA The current link, to "BettyProb182531a.pdf" is to the same PDF table which is linked in the old report, which is still accessible at

https,,,tighar.org,Projects,Earhart,Archives,Research,Bulletins,30_BettyHarmonic,30_Bettyharmonic.html  (URL to be repaired as before.)

It is linked to the words "Probability Tables" in the box just above the Introduction of that old report, which is dated 2001, and therefore the PDF should be also. The PDF link should be replaced by the report it is in, and the old report should be replaced by the new report, at https,,,tighar.org,Projects,Earhart,Archives,Research,ResearchPapers,Brandenburg,HarmonyandPower.htm

Thanks, 14.201.77.123 (talk) 03:12, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

Actually, I have been mislead by the layout of the old report. The PDF is still current, as a link in the NEW report. It is item 18 in the Notes at the end of the new report. It is still the case that the PDF link should be replaced by the link to the (new) report it is in. 14.201.77.123 (talk) 03:44, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Geardona (talk to me?) 00:48, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

@Geardona

Ok, I will try again (and I have a much better replacement this time).

Please change X to Y, where X is the existing reference 157 "Brandenberg, Bob. 'Probability of Betty Hearing Amelia on a Harmonic Gardner Sunset: 0538Z Sunrise: 1747Z.'...", and Y is web page 

https#tighar.org/Projects/Earhart/Archives/Research/ResearchPapers/Brandenburg/signalcatalog2.html (with the obvious correction), which I suppose should be cited something like "Brandenberg, Bob. and Gillespie, Ric. 'Catalog and Analysis of Radio Signals During The Search for Amelia Earhart in July 1937' etc...".

X is only a single PDF table within a much longer web page, makes little sense standing alone, and does virtually nothing to support the article sentence it is attached to. Y is the first page of a long list of communications to and (supposedly) from Earhart's Electra after the "loss". (Former 14.201.77.123) 110.175.117.151 (talk) 01:04, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

Also, there is the sentence "The Gardner Island hypothesis supposes Earhart and Noonan were unable to find Howland Island and continued south." There is nothing "supposed" about the fact that they were unable to find Howland Island. Please change the sentence to read "The Gardner Island hypothesis supposes that after Earhart and Noonan were unable to find Howland Island, they continued south." 110.175.117.151 (talk) 03:14, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

Or even better, "The Gardner Island hypothesis supposes that Earhart and Noonan continued south after they were unable to find Howland Island." 110.175.117.151 (talk) 03:32, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

I disagree. What is certain is that they never reached Howland Island. Whether they were "unable to find" Howland Island or if they went down before they would have been able to locate it has never been confirmed, so the current wording is accurate. - ZLEA _T\^C 06:57, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

@ZLEA What does "reach" actually mean? In this context, to me it means "be able to go the distance". At 07:42 Earhart transmitted: "We must be on you, but cannot see you...". Either this transmission or one a bit a bit later was described as "maximum loudness", implying they genuinely were "close" to Howland. After a flight of around 4100 km, I think this can reasonably be described as "they reached (or almost reached) Howland Island, but couldn't find it." Her last transmission was received at 08:43, so there was plenty of flying time if at around 7am someone had been able to tell them "Fly bearing xxx to Howland". In all probability they would have landed safely. The problem was finding it, not reaching it. But since I can't quote a Reliable Source that puts the above together, I suppose it is Original Research and can't go in the article. Too bad. It still seems strange to me to have a sentence that implies that "they didn't find Howland Island" is only a supposition. What scenarios are there where she finds Howland but doesn't reach it? 110.175.117.151 (talk) 10:12, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

I withdraw the last question. You have already mentioned such a scenario. The circumstances which I feel make it implausible are not admissible. 110.175.117.151 (talk) 13:32, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

And I meant to say "around 8am", not 7am. Brain slip. 110.175.117.151 (talk) 22:51, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

Who Flew the plane when Amelia Earhart slept?

Harry Manning was a pilot. Not just a navigator. I think it is reasonable to assume that she had to sleep on her world tour. If she slept, who flew the plane? Likely the other pilot in the plane, Harry Manning. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.62.157.95 (talk) 00:37, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

Most relible sources state that the plan was for Earhart to fly the entire flight while Manning would navigate. If they deviated from this plan, any knowledge of it would have died with them, and likely the only way we would know is if their plane is found and Manning's remains are still strapped into the pilot's seat. We can't speculate on Wikipedia, we go by what the reliable sources say. - ZLEA _T\^C 00:47, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

Of course she didn't fly 24 hours a day but sources don't mention shared flights so neither do we. Desertarun (talk) 08:14, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

He has his own article at Harry Manning. But there appears to be a non-sequitur at the end of the "United States Lines" section of that article? Martinevans123 (talk) 08:26, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

In reference 66 the text says that Amelia owned the Avro Avian. It does not say that she purchased it. This article says that Amelia purchased it and cites 66. Mary Heath may have given it to her or her husband may have. The references don't say. In the case of her sleep, there is no reference to say that she was capable of living without sleep. She slept and the plane flew itself since in the Harry Manning article Harry was not in the crash that killed Amelia. He died in 1974. That is very odd. Her story as told here is senseless. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 38.20.255.32 (talk) 02:46, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing out the issue with the Avian, I've reworded it to state that she "acquired" the aircraft. I apologize for my mistake about Manning, I was confusing him with Fred Noonan. Regardless, we cannot speculate about Earhart's sleep schedule during her flights. If such speculation was noteworthy, there would no doubt be historians and experts discussing it and reliable sources covering them. - ZLEA _T\^C 03:01, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 September 2024

In the 'Early Flying Experiences' part of the 'Early Life' section, female pilot Neta Snook is referred to with 'he".

"For training, Snook used a crash-salvaged Curtiss JN-4 "Canuck" airplane >>he<< had restored for training."

It should be "she". Arianeyeong (talk) 08:45, 11 September 2024 (UTC)

 Done Many thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:52, 11 September 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 October 2024

I'd like to add new music created in Amelia's honor (section In popular culture):

American artist and musician Laurie Anderson released album Amelia on August 30 2024, where she tells the story how Amelia Earhart attempted to fly around the world as a first woman.

source: https://laurieanderson.com/2024/06/26/amelia/ Michellinka (talk) 09:15, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Looks like a possible good addition, but I think some secondary source(s) would be needed to establish notability and to explain that the album is about Earhart. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:18, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

 Not done I agree with Martinevans, the fact that it exists doesn't mean it's important enough to include. If it's discussed in general sources about Amelia Earhart, that's a good indication that it's significant enough to Earhart to include. Otherwise it's just trivia. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 19:02, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

I see some similarities in work of both women. Actually I learned about existence of Amelia Earhart after I listened the album, which brought me here. I write to discussion, because the article is semi-protected and I can't edit it directly...

To the sources - The New York Times published article how Earhart inspired Anderson and describe the whole work behind the album: https://www.nytimes.com/2024/08/28/arts/music/laurie-anderson-amelia-earhart.html Michellinka (talk) 19:51, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Death

Did she die of a crash? 2603:8080:E600:18CA:3019:5535:6173:C3D5 (talk) 18:04, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

Have you read the article? Martinevans123 (talk) 18:10, 5 November 2024 (UTC)