Talk:Amber Lyon

Pro-Shia? Anti-Sunni?

I removed the following paragraph which has been repeatedly inserted:

Pro-Shia and Anti-Suni Viewpoints

On October 4th, 2011, Ms. Lyon was a guest on the Joe Rogan Podcast episode which lasted 2 hours and 57 minutes. During that time, Ms. Lyon continually expressed dismay that "good people" in Bahrain (meaning Shia dissenters) were being harmed by the (Suni) government, yet also many times expressed her full support for the (Shia) government of Iraq which is known to have harmed (Suni) dissenters.

• Rogan, Joe. "Joe Rogan Podcast Episode #273". Joe Rogan Podcast. Retrieved 4 October 2012.

Aside from the minor style and formatting errors, the main problem is that the author of this paragraph is inviting the reader to make a novel conclusion based on Lyon's own words. The reader is led toward a conclusion that Lyon is hypocritical, that dissenters of one faith are "good people" but dissenters of another faith are problems for their government. This is a primary source anyway; we prefer WP:Secondary sources that analyze Lyon's position and report on it. Per WP:NOR, Wikipedia does not perform the latter function. Binksternet (talk) 18:57, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

I agree with your removal, for all the reasons you stated. I would also like to add that I just don't see the importance of her statements in regards to her life as a whole and in regards to this being an encyclopedia article. I mean, a sentence at most, in the first place. But even that seems like undue weight on an incredibly minor viewpoint. If she was extensively known for her opinion on this and there was some sort of controversy about it, that would be one thing. But that doesn't appear to be the case here. Silverseren^C 10:29, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

Internal whistleblowing

Reporting on Iran and Syria: I don't believe the source is credible. The immediate source is the Syrian Arab News Agency, an organ of the Ministry of Information, using a vaguely worded source. A search of TASR (Tlačová agentúra Slovenskej republiky) press releases turns up nothing. An article from Hlavne Spravy ("Headline News") references only an unsourced freelance article in Examiner.com, the on-line edition of The Washington Examiner. The "reconfirmation in detail" from the Alex Jones interview discusses CNN content financed by Bahrain, Kazakhstan, etc. She mentions Syria and Iran only in passing at 19:00, asking why US media spends so much time covering regimes in Syria and Iran when there are more pressing problems in the US.Cmholm (talk) 01:51, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

Yes I must agree it's not a credible source. I was going to remove the first claim but there is nothing of value left in this section, that hasn't otherwise been covered more clearly in the Arab Spring section. Rather than leave false and poorly sourced opinion-as-fact on the page while we discuss it, I'm going to remove the section. If anyone thinks there was anything of value lost in this section that can be properly sourced feel free to bring it up here.Nerdwithagun (talk) 06:01, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

I restored the section. Alex Jones is a windbag who tries to redirect the conversation into his pet conspiracy theories, but Lyon is resolute in her assertion that CNN was paid for positive spin, and that CNN suppressed the bad news she revealed in her investigation. Regarding the TASR news item, it is a good enough source for this news, especially following the WP:ATTRIBUTEPOV guideline. There is no need to investigate TASR to see whether the Slovak news agency actually carried the reported Lyon/CNN story; the TASR story is enough for us. Binksternet (talk) 17:30, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

Did you mean to say "regarding the SANA news item"? I don't take issue with a TASR news item. However, we don't know that TASR - or anyone outside of SANA - reported it. Re WP:ATTRIBUTEPOV, I don't think it's enough to say this claim came via SANA. I don't believe they can be considered authoritative on any topic that doesn't begin with "the Syrian government says...". Given my assumptions of their lack of credibility, if SANA is actually quoting a non-Syrian news outlet, then we should reference that news outlet's original report. If that report isn't available, I believe the reference should be removed. Cmholm (talk) 09:16, 10 November 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, the SANA news item. Even though SANA is reporting what the "Slovak main news website" reported, the fact that SANA reported it makes it reliable enough for this purpose. If you like, we can double attribute: SANA reported that the "Slovak main news website" reported Lyon saying US media outlets including CNN intentionally slanted the news to shift US public opinion in favor of military intervention in Iran and Syria. Binksternet (talk) 16:06, 10 November 2013 (UTC)

Yes, I think that works. Cmholm (talk) 11:15, 14 November 2013 (UTC).

Really? This is ridiculous and the reason many people don't take wikipedia seriously. You can't have such a controversial claim backed up only by Alex "the government is poisoning juice boxes to make out kids gay" Jones and a state run Syrian News agency. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.88.236.22 (talk) 23:22, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

2010 Gulf of Mexico oil spill and the dive partner

Section says Lyon dived with Philippe Cousteau and the article about Cousteau says he has been dead for 30 years on 2010. Who was the dive partner?

1. REDIRECT Philippe Cousteau — Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.240.3.190 (talk) 14:58, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

ANSWER: Philippe Cousteau, Jr., son of Philippe Cousteau. He was a CNN special correspondent at the time. #REDIRECT Philippe_Cousteau,_Jr. ==JJS== (talk) 16:21, 9 November 2013 (UTC)

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Birthdate and early life

Hi, in my opinion her birthdate and early life is incorrect. On IMDb I found an actress called Amber Lyon, who was born on the 9^th November 1982 in Denver, Colorado. These are the same dates, the article mentions about Amber Lyon — however, the article is not about the actress, it's about the journalist! The reference for the mentioned dates is offline and it was likely the official website of the actress. Does anyone know a source with the real birthdate, etc.? --Speedpera (talk) 19:44, 28 April 2016 (UTC)

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