Talk:Alto Adige in the Heart

Translation

@Checco: The fact that Alto Adige is used in English sources does not mean that it is not translated into English, the term "Upper Adige" exists and the same party is referred in English sources as "Upper Adige in the Hearth" (Wolfram Nordsieck). Otherwise it is better to use the completely Italian name.--Scia Della Cometa (talk) 19:49, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

Using "Alto Adige" is perfectly fine for English language articles. (I wasn't actually aware myself that "Upper Adige" was also used in English until recently – searching Google Books, it does seem to be a known translation.) I'm not sure if there's any strong reasons to change the previous article title which endured for so long.--Autospark (talk) 15:08, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

@Autospark: the reason of the move is not only the esistence of the term "Upper Adige" (and it exists) but above all the fact that the only English source (Wolfram Nordsieck) refers to this party as "Upper Adige in the Heart". We should follow the English sources to establish the titles of the pages.--Scia Della Cometa (talk) 17:19, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

I agree with User:Autospark: there are no strong reasons for changing a long-established name. The former name is definitely better, as "Upper Adige" is less used in English language sources than "Alto Adige". However, the main point is another: the article was moved without consensus (or, better, a perfectly acceptable bold move was challenged), that is why I moved the article back once again. When one edit is challenged, the previous consensual version should stay. Anyone is free to launch a Requested Move. --Checco (talk) 13:21, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

Requested move 26 June 2021

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. There is a clear consensus against the proposed move and a lack of consensus on moving to the Italian name. (closed by non-admin page mover) Lennart97 (talk) 18:46, 3 July 2021 (UTC)

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Alto Adige in the Heart → Upper Adige in the Heart – The only English-language source (Wolfram Nordsieck ) refers to this party as "Upper Adige in the Heart" ([1], [2]), while no source refers to this party as "Alto Adige in the Heart", it does not matter if Alto Adige is generally used more than Upper Adige in English language (but also Upper Adige is a common term), what matters is how this party is called in the English sources. Otherwise, I propose to use the original Italian name as the title (L'Alto Adige nel Cuore). Scia Della Cometa (talk) 15:03, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose the original proposal. A single source does not constitute a "Common name", and, notwithstanding your accurate observation, I haven't ever heard of "Upper Adige" in English. Weak support for L'Alto Adige nel Cuore – translating political party names is always a tricky business, as they are often short-lived and rarely discussed about in English sources. No such user (talk) 11:32, 28 June 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose I see no strong reason to move from the status quo. Alto Adige is in a much more common usage in English texts than Upper Adige.--Autospark (talk) 14:16, 29 June 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose "Alto Adige in the Heart" is a valid translation—and "Alto Adige" is more common than "Upper Adige" in English language sources. I also strongly oppose re-naming the article with the Italian name. --Checco (talk) 18:14, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.