Talk:Almanach cracoviense ad annum 1474

Single printed sheet

Not to split hairs, but is it really an incunabulum if it only is a single printed sheet? cbustapeck 19:53, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

According to incunabulum, yes. Appleseed (Talk) 19:36, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Land and Language

It is really a difference. The first Polish-language text was actually printed in Breslau, Germany, by Kasper Elyan between 1475 and 1483. Regards Gun Powder Ma 19:17, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

I thought Hortulus Animae, polonice was the first Polish language print? Appleseed (Talk) 19:20, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

By the way, during that period Wrocław was part of Hungary. Appleseed (Talk) 19:26, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

I have my information from Wieslaw Wydra, "Die ersten in polnischer Sprache gedruckten Texte, 1475-1520", Gutenberg-Jahrbuch, Vol. 62 (1987), pp.88-94 (89). Breslau was part of the Holy Roman Empire which was soon to be renamed Holy Roman Empire of the German Nation and anyway culturally not Hungarian, but German. I launched a small page about Kasper Straube as I happen to have some material on him here. Regards Gun Powder Ma 20:09, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Well, you didn't say it was German, you said it was in Germany. If I am not mistaken, between 1469 and 1490 Wrocław was part of Hungary.

Thanks for starting the Kasper Straube article; I didn't realize he was notable for something other than publishing the Almanach. Appleseed (Talk) 20:24, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

I looked it up btw: That first Polish print I refered to was a Polish text attached to a Latin work printed in Breslau, Germany (Holy Roman Empire). Regards Gun Powder Ma 21:00, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

In 1469 Matthias Corvinus of Hungary conquered Silesia and held it until his death in 1490. Also, see Silesia#Silesian duchies. Appleseed (Talk) 21:14, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

I know, but all the while Breslau still remained a part of the Holy Roman Empire, which was renamed Holy Roman Empire of the German Nation in 1516 after the Kaisers gave up Italy. Also, Matthias whom I actually admire very much did not incorporate administratively Silesia into Hungary, but ruled it factually as an autonomous entity like Austria. Silesia was no more part of the actual Hungary than of Laos or Cambodia, it was rather Corvinus dynasty which held these diverse territories together, while Breslau did not stop to be a part of the HRE and of Germany in all but mere name. Regards Gun Powder Ma 21:44, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

I didn't realize you could be conquered by an enemy of the empire and still remain a part of it. Appleseed (Talk) 22:06, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Breslau/Wroclaw was never in Germany, though certainly a German city. But we have been thtrough all this before at Spread of printing, re there, Prague, Budapest etc. Its like calling Singapore a city in Britain. Johnbod 02:52, 3 February 2007 (UTC)