Talk:Allyn Walker

References for hebephilia and ephebophilia

This page has a note saying, "Minor-attracted person, sometimes abbreviated to MAP, is a term that refers to people with pedophilia, hebephilia and ephebophilia." However, the only reference cited for this note (here) did not mention ephebophilia. I left the existing reference intact and added one (here) that explains all three chronophilias the note mentions.

Casdmo (talk) 01:50, 18 April 2023 (UTC)

Article created per WP:ACADEMIC and WP:SUSTAINED

Page author here. When I was first writing this page I've felt a little conflicted about whether Walker was a WP:BLP1E or not. Initially I thought they were a 1E person, but reading further I've considered that that was probably not the case. Allyn has been using the term map around since at least 2017 (dissertation year). But their coverage seems to have been, specifically, about two events that happened much later: their polemic interview with the prostasia foundation in November 2021, and their hiring at Johns Hopkins in May 2022 (when people started calling out that a person who has been empathetic toward pedophiles was hired at a child abuse prevention center). These look like 2 events to me, even though they are related. WP does not have a BLP2E rule. It seems that the two bursts of coverage in 2021 and 2022 were not due to their use of the word itself (the 1E that I thought in the beginning), it was rather because of their marketing campaign for their book in 2021 and the fact that a child abuse prevention center had decided to hire them in 2022. Given the fact that RS were following Walker up to 6 months after the first burst, I've concluded that there was also a WP:SUSTAINED coverage of Walker, meaning that Walker was not just some nobody who got famous for 15 minutes because of Tucker Carlson and then nobody cared, but they were actually interesting enough to the point of being continuously followed by the reliable sources half a year later, therefore WP:NOTNEWSPAPER does not apply here.

The first burst of coverage happened in November 2021 and covers their Prostasia interview and their published book from June. The second burst was in May 2022 (6 months after) and covered their hiring at the Moore Center and also called back for what happened at late 2021 for context. After that burst, they were also covered to some depth here (dec 2022, French academic magazine), here (jan 2023) and here (nov 2022). The book is from june 2021, the interview is from november 2021, and the Moore Center controversy was from may 2022. Considering that it's been only 2 years since the first burst of coverage and 11 months since the last, 6 months between two bursts does sound like a "significant amount of time" for the purposes of WP:SUSTAINED.

Besides, there is also the fact that their book became a best-seller on Amazon (as reported by The Independent) and their work was supported by a signature of over 60 mental health academics, which makes this article pass the WP:ACADEMIC notability criterion number 7 letter b, which says that academics who have had an impact even outside academia for their academic work are notable for the purposes of WP:N for as long as their work is not pseudoscientific or fringe. Since their best-seller book was influential to the field of child sexual abuse prevention and is certainly not a "fringe" academic idea, as demonstrated by the wide public support that they received from 63 academics who called their work "important and ground-breaking" (including Michael Seto himself, who is a leading academic in the field of pedophilia and child sexual abuse), it looks like Walker is a notable academic.

🔥 22spears 🔥 03:26, 14 April 2023 (UTC)

I question whether Walker is a notable academic yet. The way the Independent reported the book as a best-seller is very vague and non-specific during a time of intense media hype around Walker, and I wonder whether it actually was a best-seller on Amazon since no other source has documented that. Also, the way I read the letter of support is that they are saying the research Walker does is valid and has the potential to make important contributions -- NOT that Walker is a well known expert in the field. A better metric might be the h-index, and Walker's h-index is 10, which is certainly great but is below what would get you tenure at most R1s. Which is fine since Walker isn't even a professor yet, but I don't think it is consistent with the idea that they are already a "well established academic expert" and major scholar in the field.

I just question whether someone who is SO early in their career passes that academic test you quoted, which says they must have "widely popular general audience books on academic subjects provided the author is widely regarded inside academia as a well-established academic expert and provided the books deal with that expert's field of study."

To me, Walker seems more like a 1 event kind of person. In the future I can see them passing academic notability, though. Aroundthewayboy (talk) 16:26, 2 May 2023 (UTC)