Talk:Allerød oscillation

"A variety of Palaeolithic cultures ... Arensburg"

"Arensburg" is a misspelling and links to the Estonian city of Kuressaare (formerly Arensburg) which has nothing to do with the intended Paleolithic culture. The correct spelling is "Ahrensburg", a Terminal Paleolithic culture that is named after a locality in northern Germany.--Death Bredon 16:09, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Nitpick: Allerød doesn't belong in the Furesø munipicality

Allerød doesn't belong to theFuresø_Municipality — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.23.239.99 (talk) 13:54, 4 October 2017 (UTC)

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A pair of links to consider

1) [1]https://pubs.geoscienceworld.org/gsa/geology/article-abstract/33/2/89/129325/Catastrophic-meltwater-discharge-down-the-Hudson

From that link: "Glacial freshwater discharge to the Atlantic Ocean during deglaciation may have inhibited oceanic thermohaline circulation, and is often postulated to have driven climatic fluctuations. Yet attributing meltwater-discharge events to particular climate oscillations is problematic, because the location, timing, and amount of meltwater discharge are often poorly constrained. We present evidence from the Hudson Valley and the northeastern U.S. continental margin that establishes the timing of the catastrophic draining of Glacial Lake Iroquois, which breached the moraine dam at the Narrows in New York City, eroded glacial lake sediments in the Hudson Valley, and deposited large sediment lobes on the New York and New Jersey continental shelf ca. 13,350 yr B.P. Excess 14C in Cariaco Basin sediments indicates a slowing in thermohaline circulation and heat transport to the North Atlantic at that time, and both marine and terrestrial paleoclimate proxy records around the North Atlantic show a short-lived (<400 yr) cold event (Intra-Allerød cold period) that began ca. 13,350 yr B.P. The meltwater discharge out the Hudson Valley may have played an important role in triggering the Intra-Allerød cold period by diminishing thermohaline circulation."

2) [2]https://ui.adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2020AGUFMPP0410010P/abstract

From that link: "It has long been hypothesized that periodic meltwater input from a retreating Laurentide Ice Sheet (LIS) inhibited North Atlantic deep water (NADW) formation, weakened the strength of the Atlantic Meridional Overturning Circulation (AMOC), and triggered several cold periods in the North Atlantic region during the last deglaciation (21-8ka yrs BP). Since the establishment of this hypothesis more than thirty years ago, geomorphic and chronologic evidence of meltwater flows from the LIS have been shown to roughly coincide with centennial-to-millennial scale cool periods (e.g., Younger Dryas, the 8.2 ka event). The complexity of LIS meltwater routing during deglaciation, a lack of tight spatial and temporal constraint on meltwater events and volumes, and insights from models have however made it difficult to point to a specific meltwater event as the trigger for a particular cold period. Here, we use a numerical model to investigate the possibility of meltwater discharge from the Hudson River, New York City, USA ~13,350 yrs BP as a potential trigger of the Inter-Allerød Cold Period (IACP). Using flood volumes estimated from paleoshorelines, we assess the sensitivity of AMOC to both short duration (1 month), and long duration (1 year) flood events. We also assess the impact of successive flood events on AMOC to determine if sequential floods impact AMOC differently than a single flood event. We find that in all of our experiments (regardless of flood magnitude, duration, or reoccurrence interval) there is no significant weakening of the AMOC. This limited impact suggests that although the Hudson Valley floods likely occur close to the beginning of the IACP, it is unlikely the trigger. Further observations to constrain the timing of the Hudson Valley Floods and additional modeling experiments exploring different and/or multiple meltwater inputs are needed to determine if meltwater inputs from the LIS could have been a trigger and/or contributor of the IACP. Our results have significant implications for determining whether other deglacial flood events triggered periods of climatic cooling: for example, the millennial-length Younger Dryas cooling is thought to have been triggered by a flood only 3-times larger than the one from the Hudson River, which again questions the role meltwater played in triggering climate cooling."

Obviously, the two articles contradict each other. The first is from 2005; the second is from 2020. Frunobulax (talk) 01:45, 9 August 2023 (UTC)

If you wish to add reference to the IACP that would be helpful as there is no mention of it at present. Dudley Miles (talk) 10:39, 9 August 2023 (UTC)

Requested move 9 August 2023

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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• Allerød oscillation → Allerød
• Allerød → Allerød (disambiguation)

– Allerød oscillation is a rarely used name for a climatic period. Allerød is far more common and is not used on its own in any other sense, but it has been used for a disambiguation page. I have moved Allerod to Allerød (disambiguation) and would now like to complete the move. Dudley Miles (talk) 11:02, 9 August 2023 (UTC) This is a contested technical request (permalink). Dudley Miles (talk) 14:08, 9 August 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. CLYDE ^{TALK TO ME}/_{STUFF DONE} 19:32, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

Note: since there was a recent page move, "Allerød (disambiguation)" to "Allerød", the latter is no longer a redirect and has become ineligible to be a proposed title in a move request unless it, too, is formally dispositioned. "Allerød → Allerød (disambiguation)" has been added to this request to meet that requirement. P.I. Ellsworth , ed. ^{put'er there} 07:58, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose: This does not seem to be a WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. (See page views.) But Allerød interstadial seems to be much more common than oscillation. (See Google Ngrams.) I also wonder if Bølling oscillation and Bølling–Allerød warming should be changed. SilverLocust 💬 12:58, 9 August 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia page views is misleading. In Google Scholar at [3] in every case "Allerød interstadial" is part of "Bølling–Allerød Interstadial", referring to the longer Bølling–Allerød warming, not the Allerød part which is the subject of this article. Searching on Allerød in Google Scholar at [4], it is sometimes a name, sometimes part of Bølling–Allerød Interstadial, but always just Allerød when referring to the climatic period which this article is about. Allerød is the name for the primary topic in usual usage. Dudley Miles (talk) 14:08, 9 August 2023 (UTC)

I do agree that Allerød is the WP:COMMONNAME for this topic (which is based on frequency of use in reliable sources). But WP:PRIMARYTOPIC is a separate issue; it is about Wikipedia navigation and disambiguation, not reliable sources. This does not appear to be "highly likely—much more likely than any other single topic, and more likely than all the other topics combined—to be the topic sought when a reader searches for that term" (WP:PT1). If there is no primary topic, the different pages would be disambiguated with a title like Allerød (oscillation) or Allerød oscillation. (The latter method is WP:NATDIS.) SilverLocust 💬 14:45, 9 August 2023 (UTC)

Allerød on its own rarely if ever refers to any subject other than the climatic period, so it is the PRIMARYTOPIC for the word. Your argument assumes that we should include topics where Allerød is part of the article title, which does not seem correct. Tottenham Hotspur F.C. gets 30 times as many hits as Tottenham the town, so on your argument the town is not the primary topic and should not be the name of the article. Dudley Miles (talk) 15:56, 9 August 2023 (UTC)

SilverLocust do you have any further comments in reply to my points? Dudley Miles (talk) 07:54, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

Allerød Municipality and Lillerod are often called Allerød. That's why this subject got its name — i.e., after Hartz and Milthers published a paper saying in effect "look what we discovered near Allerød". And the Allerød is often accompanied by various clarifying nouns like warming, era, period, oscillation, or interstadial — though this disambiguation is not necessary in a publication dedicated to geology or similar. Of course, a Danish town/municipality is seldom mentioned in academic papers (as Google Scholar shows). But this is not a PTOPIC by either pageviews or clickthrough from the disambiguation (which I was previously unable to view on WikiNav because the disambiguation page had been moved). I don't expect to have further comments. SilverLocust 💬 11:35, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose do not move the disambiguation page. If you want to rename this "oscillation" article, choose some other name, such as a disambiguated form. -- 67.70.25.80 (talk) 03:23, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

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