Talk:Allen v. United States (1896)

Latest comment: 3 years ago by Kan0nenfutter in topic Criticism/reason for banning in some states

What is the origin of the term "Allen charge"? --76.113.65.106 (talk) 03:06, 3 March 2010 (UTC)Reply

Obviously much more can be said about this subject. A couple of suggestions to expand:

  • In US jurisdictions: Haven't some states banned the Allen charge, at least in criminal cases, as unduly coercive? I remember reading a 9th Circuit case which prohibited a second Allen charge to be given but that was 15-20 years ago.
  • In non-US jurisdictions: Where an unanimous verdict is required from lay juries, has the concept of the Allen charge been adopted? What variations of the charge are used? Etc.

Ellsworth 14:04, 26 September 2007 (UTC)Reply

It seems as though some of this article was lifted from AllenCharge.com without permission. 72.151.225.95 (talk) 18:13, 8 April 2009 (UTC)Reply

Only the select case law, not cited correctly, fix it! 76.109.163.218 (talk) 01:27, 9 April 2009 (UTC)Reply

Later case law edit

Federal appeals due to use of the Allen charge.

Case Court Date Link
United States v. Prescott United States Court of Appeals 4th Circuit December 26, 1996 [1]
United States v. Benjamin United States Court of Appeals 5th Circuit April 26, 2005 [2]
United States v. Martinez United States Court of Appeals 2nd Circuit July 15, 1971 [3]
United States v. Redman United States Court of Appeals 4th Circuit June 12, 2002 [4]
United States v. Reams United States Court of Appeals 4th Circuit September 14, 2000 [5]
United States v. Burgos United States Court of Appeals 4th Circuit June 1, 1995 [6]
United States v. Chigbo United States Court of Appeals 11th Circuit November 21, 1994 [7]

Not certain the list of states is correct. edit

The list of states that forbid Allen charges includes Pennsylvania, but this can't be correct. This morning, a judge in Pennsylvania issued an Allen charge in a high profile case (the Bill Cosby assault trial). Was the law or ruling overturned? TricksterWolf (talk) 16:43, 15 June 2017 (UTC)Reply

Criticism/reason for banning in some states edit

As appparently some states do not allow the use of the "Allen charge", it would be interessting to know what are the reasons for those decisions. I can see why some jurisdictions allow it: to reduce the number of hang juries. -- Kan0nenfutter (talk) 22:14, 1 February 2021 (UTC)Reply