Talk:Alienation (speech)/GA1
Latest comment: 3 years ago by Bilorv in topic GA Review
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Reviewer: Bilorv (talk · contribs) 00:36, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
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1. Well-written: | ||
1a. the prose is clear, concise, and understandable to an appropriately broad audience; spelling and grammar are correct. | Detailed nitpicks below, otherwise good. | |
1b. it complies with the Manual of Style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation. | Structure, layout, formatting and linking is appropriate, no MOS issues found. | |
2. Verifiable with no original research: | ||
2a. it contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline. | Very high-quality referencing. I can access enough of the sources to make a judgement that the citations verify what they are cited for. | |
2b. reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose). | Is the article meant to just follow WP:MINREF, rather than the inline citations necessarily covering all of the content between it and the previous citation? I notice that, for instance, the reference at the end of the paragraph doesn't mention Jimmy Reid was an Amalgamated Engineering Union leader, and the same for Reid warned his audience not to hate the capitalists who he stated were also a product of the alienation in society(not quite, at least – it doesn't verify "were also a product of the alienation"). These two facts seem uncontroversial and easily referenced enough that it's fine if this is the style. | |
2c. it contains no original research. | No original research found. | |
2d. it contains no copyright violations or plagiarism. | No copyvio found. | |
3. Broad in its coverage: | ||
3a. it addresses the main aspects of the topic. | 1,900 words is not unreasonably short for a small-scope article and all the main aspects are present. | |
3b. it stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style). | Good summary style with an appropriate level of detail on background and subsequent events, all of which are sufficiently relevant to the speech. | |
4. Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each. | Represents all major published points of view on the speech. | |
5. Stable: it does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute. | No instability. | |
6. Illustrated, if possible, by media such as images, video, or audio: | ||
6a. media are tagged with their copyright statuses, and valid non-free use rationales are provided for non-free content. | Good use of free images. | |
6b. media are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions. | All relevant, captions fine. Alt text would be good but not necessary for GA criteria. | |
7. Overall assessment. |
Detailed comments edit
- When was Reid's term exactly? April 1972 until 3 years later? Spell this out in "Background".
... helped resolve student issues, such as the eviction of a group of five undergraduates from their hall of residence in February
– This has the faint implication that Reid ensured the eviction, but I'm guessing his aim was to prevent it?
Reid's inaugural address would take place
– Just "took place" is fine, I think.
Some disruption was caused when two students dressed as a pink pantomime horse attempted to enter the hall
– Do we know why? At protest against Reid's appointment? (On what grounds?)
... a consequence of the capitalist system of production
– "Mode of production" is a slightly more precise technical term, right? And you could link Mode of production or Capitalist mode of production (Marxist theory).
... led to workers having little understanding ...
– This applies specifically to the proletariat/working class, right? Someone unfamiliar with the topic might think it also applies to owners of the means of production, so could be worth saying the class rather than just "workers", and maybe linking.
- Should the Bute Hall and RMS Queen Elizabeth images be swapped? It looks like they appear next to the opposite paragraph to where they're mentioned.
Though he framed his argument with reference to the shipbuilding industry Reid's address
– Comma after "industry"?
- "quoted Christ" – Worth adding the specific verse?
He lamented wasted potential saying "I am convinced that ..."
– Should be a comma before "saying".
Reid's biographers William Knox and Adam McKinlay state that the address had a liberal, middle-class and "almost Victorian" tone in the way it espouses the virtues of public service
– "stated" (we quote critical analysis in past tense) and I think either "address has" or "it espoused" (consistent tense for the speech).
The speech was reprinted in full in The New York Times which hailed it
– Comma after The New York Times.
In Glasgow newspaper the Evening Times
– false titles are slightly un-British English so maybe "In the Glasgow newspaper", but definitely "The Evening Times" (italics including "The") as it's part of the newspaper name.
After all we are all against the "rat race"
– Single quote marks here as it's nested within an outer (double-)quote.
Others praised the address which was described
– Comma before "which".
- The Murray quote is a bit link: I'd elide
Let them turn. Let them gyrate. Go into orbit if they will
(just a fluorish, doesn't add meaning).
He afterwards presented
– Reads a bit awkwardly, would preferAfterwards, he presented
A pleasure to review, much good work so far. Apologies that it's been so long in the queue. — Bilorv (talk) 00:36, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks so much for your review Bilorv, it's much appreciated (to be honest I forgot I had listed this one!). I agree with all your suggestions and have made changed to the article per my responses above. I've also sorted out the referencing issues you picked up (I accidentally merged text I intended to source with unsourced text in an early edit & the other bit was sourced fromt he speech itself) - Dumelow (talk) 09:38, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
- Just an inline citation needed to the text of the speech (e.g. via the external link at the bottom) in the second footnote, as it's a direct quote and WP:V requires it, and then I'm happy. I've also done a couple of changes here that I think you forgot to implement but marked "Done" (feel free to revert if that wasn't the intention, these small changes won't be a dealbreaker for GA). Otherwise the responses fix everything I could find. — Bilorv (talk) 15:18, 11 March 2021 (UTC)