Talk:Ali Williams

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Did you know... that New Zealand rugby union footballer Ali Williams did not start playing until he was aged 17, but earned three international caps before he was 22?

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Latest comment: 13 years ago6 comments2 people in discussion

A user is repeatedly adding a misleading claim.

Claim: An advert he commentated for a product his company sells "Water for Everyone" was found by the Chairman of the Advertising Standards Authority New Zealand to of potentially broken some Codes of Advertising including the codes of advertising to children. The advert was discontinued so did not go before the full ASA board, thus the case was considered settled.^[1]^[2]

From the judgewment: "The Chairman noted the response from the Legal Counsel for the Advertiser, which said that the advertisement was no longer playing. The Chairman was of the view that the matter had been settled in a self-regulatory manner and it would serve no further purpose to place it before the Complaints Board."

In no way does the reference support the was found by the Chairman of the Advertising Standards Authority New Zealand to of potentially broken some Codes of Advertising claim. noq (talk) 20:25, 24 September 2010 (UTC)Reply

Incorrect. Quoting the judgement: "The relevant provisions were Principles 2, 3, 4 and Principle 4 Guidelines 4(a), 4(b) and 4(c) of the Code for Advertising Food and Principles 2 and 4 and Principle 4 Guideline 4(a) of the Code for Advertising to Children." If there is no evidence of a possible breach of the codes the Chairman does not list any relevant principles. The Readers can find out more from reading from ASA site. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Oystergannet (talk • contribs) 20:50, 24 September 2010 (UTC)Reply

where you are attributing the complainants argument as coming from the chairman. You have already been blocked for similar POV edits and are persisting in making misleading statements. What is your agenda? nothing here is relevant to this article. noq (talk) 00:11, 25 September 2010 (UTC)Reply

As per the Advertising Standards Authority procedure the complaints argument came from the complainant. The Chairman then has listened to the advert and listed the codes of advertising that it appeared to of breached and then put that to the advertisers legal counsel. If the Chairman thinks their is no case to answer the case is closed as "No Grounds To Proceed" and the advertiser is not contacted. The advert was discontinued and the legal counsel said in that report that they would take note of the complaint for future adverts. The advertement was trying to sell bottled water to children as a concentration booster, which it clearly is not unless your dehydrated. If users want to read more they can read the article which i referenced. It is relevant to this article as it provides a further description of the individual involved- it provides an instance of his business practice outside of rugby and is thus of relevance. There is no agenda other than ensuring that its an in-depth page. I do not think it is the intent of wikipedia to limit relevant events on sporting people to just their sporting involvement. (OystergannetOystergannet (talk) 02:50, 25 September 2010 (UTC))Reply

Can you provide something that says that Williams was criticised about this? There is nothing here other than he appeared in an advert - someone made a complaint about it - nothing became of the complaint - how is that relevant to this article? While non sporting events can be relevant this is a non-story that is written to imply impropriety on Williams behalf. Unless this can be shown then tihs section is in violation off WP:BLP policies. Your assertion it provides "an insight into his business practice" is your interpretation and as such is WP:original research unless you can show it more generally. noq (talk) 07:47, 25 September 2010 (UTC)Reply

I cannot provide something that says Williams was criticised for this because as i assume you are aware opinion pieces are not permitted reference material. People will be informed of this event through reading this wikipedia article and make their own judgement. Also to the contrary something did become of the complaint because as previously stated it was not a complaint that was adjudged "No Grounds to Proceed". There was evidence of improper advertising by trying to sell a product to children that was deemed to be in possible breech of several codes as listed by the Chairman. The readers of the article can go to the references for more infomation which shows that he tried to sell bottled water to children by saying it would help them concentrate better. He was set to gain from the selling of this product as he is actually a co-owner of the water product company. Readers of the article can therefore read of this action by this individual and make up their own minds as to its worthiness. Whether its relevant or not should be judged on whether it shows a salient point in the individuals history- to have a complaint brought to the ASA and not adjudged "No Grounds to Proceed" is significant as if you read judgements from the site the vast majority a ajudged "No grounds to proceed". This point thus is relevant and is also conducted in the public arena which is why the relevant material is there to be referenced. It does not violate any Wikipedia policy as it is an accurate reporting. To reiterate not only did he commentate the ad he is also an owner of the products company so thus stood to gain financially by telling children incorrectly that drinking plenty of their water would help them concentrate more. This is a noteworthy point that readers of this article should be made aware of; for which they can make their own interpretation of. This is not written to imply impropriety as you allege, it is to educate readers as to an action of Williams from which they can make their own judgement. It is thus verifiable, has a neutral point of view and is not original research- as the ASA is a reputable source so it is therefore an acceptable material to be included .OystergannetOystergannet (talk) 08:54, 25 September 2010 (UTC) And also ali williams is the bomb!!! but please don't complained??? Fanxxxx — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.126.198.38 (talk) 01:20, 27 September 2011 (UTC)Reply

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