Talk:Ali/Tawassul

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Ya Ali Madad

I think some history of saying Ya Ali Madad should be added here. Shias generally use it as a call of help, but in Northern India, even some Hindus use this to seek help just like Jai Bajrangbali. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 220.227.64.170 (talk) 09:45, August 20, 2007 (UTC)

If you have any sources to support this, please post here for discussion. Thanks. → AA ^(talk) — 09:52, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Would be difficult to get sources for this because it is more of a common practice among Shias and other people use it without actually knowing its significance. They might not even know who was Ali. I could point to some forums which appear by doing a Google. But, somebody else might be able to help in this regard. i.e. get the sources. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 220.227.64.170 (talk) 04:05, August 21, 2007 (UTC)

I guess it could be classed as a Neologism and unless the word/phrase has been discussed in some reliable sources, writing about it in any articles would be classed as original research. → AA ^(talk) — 09:04, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

This is not something which is used recently or a new term. This I think traces back to the Prophet himself (again cannot confirm) who used "Ya Ali Adrikni" during a war (i think Khyber). "Ya Ali Adrikni" is purely arabic for "Ya Ali Madad" or "Ya Ali Medet" (urdu, hindi, etc...) 220.227.64.170 11:34, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

There is a recent famous hindi song which contains these words in the start 220.226.43.72 18:01, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

You can put this issue in "Ali and Muslim's folklore" if it relates to customs and in "Muslim view" if it relates to their beliefs and prays.--Sa.vakilian(t-c) 01:37, 17 September 2007 (UTC)