Talk:Alexander McQueen

Citations required

There don't seem to be any sources cited here. Also, this maybe a somewhat pernicketty observation, but in the interests of accuracy, if someone is claiming Income Support, they would not receive an "unemployment cheque". Income support is specifically for people who are not unemployed. Perhaps a better term would be "benefit". Misspenny 12:55, 5 December 2006 (UTC) --Was called Income Support or Unemployment Benefit under the old system for all sorts of Politically Correct reasons. He was in receipt of it in a cheque form, even though he was also either at college or working. Under the system as was you'd pick up your cheque from the Post Office and then pay it into your bank account. Violetbeau (talk) 03:02, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

Apprenticeship and clients

The article claims that McQueen had famous named clients whilst on Savile Row, but also says he was an apprentice from the age of 16 (1985) to the age of 20 (1989) before going to Milan. The four years he was on Savile Row is not normally sufficient to complete an apprenticeship as a pattern cutter and until he had completed his apprenticeship he would NOT have had clients of his own. He would have worked for a tailor who had clients, so it's entirely possible he cut Prince Charles' suit but Prince Charles was not "his" client, unless you have a reference that says otherwise. Cottonshirt (talk) 06:09, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

Unsourced statement

I have removed the following statement in keeping with WP:BLP. "It has also been claimed that he was on income support and that he needed to change his name for his first show so that he could continue to receive benefits." Such statements do not belong in wikipedia without adequate sources. -Ich (talk) 05:04, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

McQueen writing 'I am an absolute cunt' on Prince Charles' jacket lining

The requested sources are here, both reliable: [1], [2]. I remember hearing him tell the tale on Desert Island Discs, I think it was, but can't find a ref for that. On second thoughts, maybe it was in his interview for the Arena programme about him. 86.140.128.200 (talk) 16:14, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

Done Woody (talk) 16:26, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

Here's the man in his own words: the transcript of an undated interview [3] (not the one I saw, though - he was clearly more than happy to talk about it). He did it in biro, fact fans. 86.140.128.200 (talk) 16:28, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

Woody - please edit the article. If McQueen says he wrote it (NB, not sewed it), which he did in the interview transcript, then it's clearly not apocryphal. The story exists. Whether he was telling the truth is another matter ... 86.140.128.200 (talk) 16:32, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

Done Woody (talk) 16:40, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

Cheers 86.140.128.200 (talk) 17:56, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

Date and place of birth

Sources disagree as to whether he was born on 16 or 17 March, and whether it was in Hackney, Stepney or Lewisham. Lkjhgfdsa 0 (talk) 21:23, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

It was definitely Lewisham, according to ancestry.co.uk. I was looking at the wrong McQueen - a Lee A. McQueen born in Hackney in 1965.Ravenscroft32 (talk)

We are still going round in circles on the date of birth. The Guardian gives 16 March here, while the Evening Standard gives 17 March here. What can be done here, as the sources are conflicting?--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 19:45, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

Funeral

"Her funeral is due to take place on 12 February 2010." shouldnt it be "HIS funeral"? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.0.55.219 (talk) 01:49, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

No. If you bother to read the article, his mother had died recently, and arguably, that may have had some influence. Meanwhile, there is no way that a death on the 11th can result in a funeral on the 12th considering that a post-mortem to determine cause of death will be necessary. Rodhullandemu 01:57, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

RESPONSE TO ABOVE: Note, the Wikipedia entry does not reference Lee's funeral; it references his MOTHER'S funeral, which is scheduled for February 12 ("Her funeral...") —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.86.202.248 (talk) 03:28, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

I've edited that section to clarify beyond doubt that it refers to his mother's funeral, as even established Wiki members seemed to be confused. Should resolve the issue. Mabalu (talk) 03:49, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

English/British

Lee McQueen's death is a huge tragedy. Such a talented young man with much still to achieve. His designs are simply stunning. However, could someone please amend his nationality to 'British' as there is no such thing as 'English' nationality. Check his British passport. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.237.131.17 (talk) 12:15, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

There are quite a lot of people who would take issue with this statement that they don't exist. By this reasoning, there is "no such thing" as Welsh and Scottish nationality either, though I take your point about nationality, and see no harm in amending accordingly. Mabalu (talk) 12:35, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

 Done - he said his Scottish roots (his father is Scottish) were important to him, so British would seem a better description than English. Lkjhgfdsa 0 (talk) 16:16, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, but that is no strong reason to why he should be described as British instead of English. English is a perfectly fine way to describe him, there is nothing wrong with it, so don’t just go around needlessly changing it. People do it all the time, and it frankly pisses me off. A far better presentation, in my opinion, it to describe him as English the lead and British in the Infobox, this is practised on a lot of articles (See Charles Darwin). Just leave it the way it is.--大輔 泉 (talk) 23:24, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

Ref 3 The Guardian gives the transcript of an interview which states that McQueen's Scottish extraction meant a great deal to him. I don't know if he self-identified as English, Scottish or British, but it is clear he was not fully English, hence I don't think the first sentence should describe him as such. Wikipedia:In the news on the Main page and Portal:Current events describe him as British rather than English. Darwin is not a fair comparison, as he was English in every way; both his parents were English. Does anyone else have a view on this matter? Lkjhgfdsa 0 (talk) 14:24, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

A large number of mouse mats have been worn out by the argument over whether Andy Murray is Scottish or British. People will usually point out that a UK passport permits only British nationality. WP:UKNATIONALS allows a broader interpretation, but for accuracy I prefer "British" in the infobox and other arguments in the text of the article.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 14:58, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

So should the first sentence say English fashion designer or British fashion designer? Lkjhgfdsa 0 (talk) 20:21, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

English or British, I am fine with it either way. The infobox should give British as his nationality, and this BBC news story describes him as a "British designer". However, given past edit warring on the WP:UKNATIONALS issue, I am reluctant to express a firm preference.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 20:29, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

Lead too short?

What, if anything, should be added to the lead? Lkjhgfdsa 0 (talk) 12:41, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

Unsourced sentence

I removed the sentence:

“ He said that one of his earliest memories was from around the age of three when he drew a picture of a dress on a piece of bare wall which had been exposed by peeling wallpaper in the council house where his family lived. McQueen jokingly called it his first design sketch. ”

because it was unreferenced. Feel free to readd it if there's a source. HJ Mitchell | fancy a chat? 15:50, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

Unsupported category/content

I have removed the "Suicides by hanging in England" category for the second time because McQueen's method/caused of death has to be confirmed. I also removed the statement claiming that McQueen's publicists confirmed his death as a suicide because the given citation does not support that claim at all. In fact, it says the exact opposite. Pinkadelica^♣ 17:58, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

Seriously...what is so hard about actually waiting until there's confirmation for the cause/method of death before adding categories pertaining to suicide? The article still makes no mention of such a thing yet there are categories. That makes perfect sense. Pinkadelica^♣ 22:56, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

Useful link?

Perhaps someone who, unlike me, knows what they're talking about can find a use for this. HJ Mitchell | fancy a chat? 19:23, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

 Done I love you for finding that! I'm sure someone will improve on what I've added, but at least the article has more info on his contributions to the fashion world. - JuneGloom07 Talk? 21:03, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

Glad to be of service! HJ Mitchell | fancy a chat? 21:46, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

Please link

Please link Shock tactics (at the end of the first sentence in the lead). Thanks.163.1.147.64 (talk) 16:10, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

 Not done Shock tactics is an article about warfare, which has little to do with designing clothes.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 16:22, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

Better to use a different way of describing whatever is meant by those words then? I want to know what shock tactics mean in this context and if we don't have an article on it, or it is not mentioned as a wider term than the warfare usage, we shouldn't be using it here. Thanks.163.1.147.64 (talk) 16:49, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

 Done The lead now gives Death, S&M, violence and religion were all there on Alexander McQueen's catwalk as a citation.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 17:16, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

Excellent, that puts it in the picture very nicely, thanks.163.1.147.64 (talk) 17:30, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

Tracy Chapman is McQueen's sister?

That reads a bit strange! In the list of 'survived by' people; did he have a sister called Tracy Chapman (nee McQueen?), or is this a joke? Someone with the appropriate knowledge should amend the article to indicate that this is not the musician Tracy Chapman (if he did actually have a sister called Tracy). 1812ahill (talk) 20:37, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

It's not a joke, his brother and sister's names are mentioned in the reference. I don't believe it is the musician as it would have been mentioned before in the news reports. Besides, his sister's name is spelt differently, it's Tracey. - JuneGloom07 Talk? 20:50, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

I don't think clarification is needed. Tracy Chapman is African American, whereas McQueen was White British. I can't imagine many people thinking they had the same parents! Lkjhgfdsa 0 (talk) 14:24, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

The siblings' names have been removed, on the basis that they are trivia and that the source cannot be trusted. However, siblings' names are stated on many Wikipedia biographies, and the source is the LA Times, which is considered a reliable source. Lkjhgfdsa 0 (talk) 20:21, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

Why is it so hard to fathom that McQueen had a sister named Tracey Chapman? Surely the Tracy Chapman isn't the only Tracy Chapman in the world. If the name were actually linked to the singer, I could see the utter confusion and questions surrounding the content but the name never was. In fact (as was already pointed out) the name is spelled different. Are people not aware that there are millions of people that share the same name? Pinkadelica^♣ 22:58, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

Parents

Lee McQueen's father was actually born in Stepney, London in 1933, not Scotland. He married Joyce Deane, Lee's mother, in Stepney in 1953. Although, Lee seems to have identified strongly with his Scottish roots, his McQueens were actually in London from the beginning of the 1800's. I am a 4th cousin and have researched the family tree. All details are available from the many birth death marriage and census records on ancestry.com.Pommygirl (talk) 19:27, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

I believe accessing those records requires subscription. Please tell us the mother's year and place of birth. Lkjhgfdsa 0 (talk) 20:21, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

I have no blood ties to the Deane side so I have not studied that line. However, believe it was 1934 Hackney London. Pommygirl (talk) 20:46, 13 February 2010 (UTC) By the way, the name Alexander appears in every generation of Lee's branch of the McQueens, going back to the early 1800's. Pommygirl (talk) 21:24, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

Photo

I inserted a photo of McQueen from flickr. We can pretty much use any one now in accordance with policy. FotoPhest (talk) 19:43, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

Not necessarily. I'm not going to argue with the use of this image, but just because a person is dead does not mean that it is an easy way of overriding WP:NFCC. This has been a major issue at Michael Jackson, because there are so few free images of him, particularly in his later years. Images found on Google, Flickr etc are usually copyrighted and need strong grounds for use in a Wikipedia article.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 19:59, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

Sure enough, this image has now been nominated for deletion. Alive or dead, the image of Alexander McQueen in the infobox would usually need to be copyright free.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 09:12, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

Inquest details

Here [4]. 86.147.162.0 (talk) 11:12, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

Added to article.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 12:41, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

Alexander McQueen committed suicide after taking drugs April 28 2010. Fashion designer Alexander McQueen hanged himself after taking a mix of cocaine, tranquillisers and sleeping pills Some detail perhaps worthy of reporting? Off2riorob (talk) 17:03, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

 Done Jim Michael (talk) 19:23, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, what a sad story. Off2riorob (talk) 22:44, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

Shame indeed. He could afford them. I can't. Rodhullandemu 22:46, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

Doda?

What makes Doda any more special a wearer of McQueen than any other celebrity, WAG, or other two-day tabloid sensation with a skull scarf or a pair of McQ shoes in her wardrobe? Bjork and Lady Gaga are indisputably famous for wearing McQueen as part of their public persona. I'm not QUITE so sure about Rihanna, but I saw a hell of a lot more on Google about her wearing McQueen than I did for Doda - all I saw was that this Doda has McQueen shoes. Her and practically anyone else who's pouted at paparazzi, it seems! If we're talking McQueen wearers, Kate Winslet wore a fantastic early McQueen dress the Oscars (I think it was when she was nominated for Titanic) and was married first time round in McQueen - but I don't think it makes her worthy of linkspam in the article either... Mabalu (talk) 19:13, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

Don't see why this needs to be here, per WP:INDISCRIMINATE. If we list every celeb who wears his stuff, we'd be here forever. Unless there's something to make it relevant... Rodhullandemu 22:48, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

Indeed. I'm not a great fan of the list of "celebrities" who've worn his stuff, it feels like an "in popular culture" section, though some are better-known for wearing his stuff than others. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 23:01, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

Something like "McQueen counted X, Y and Z among his clients" would be better then a list of celebrities who have been spotted wearing his designs. That was what I decided to add to the Giles Deacon article. - JuneGloom07 Talk? 23:23, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

The trouble with McQueen is that a lot of "celebrities" and notable people have worn his stuff, but some are, as I understand, quite well known for it. The latter group is worth a mention provided it's well sourced but not those who just got trivial passing mentions in the tabloid press. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 23:29, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

I'd quite like to get this article up to GA soon, so I would probably look at this and just add the celebrities mentioned as being actual clients, like I did for Deacon (though he had quite a few, so I had to randomly pick three). Anyone can wear McQueen if they have enough money (even me) and have their picture taken while wearing it. I wouldn't say they are notable for wearing his designs unless they do it all the time or it's mentioned in a reliable source. The info about Lady Gaga incorporating his designs into her videos is interesting though. I wonder if there is anymore info that could be added. Didn't she wear something of his in her Telephone video as a tribute to him? - JuneGloom07 Talk? 23:49, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

Yes, I had her in mind- I've hear about the video thing, so we ought to be able to source that. I think the list should be kept to a small number of notable people who are well known for wearing hist stuff. Oh, and bloody hell! Two hundred quid for a pair of sunglasses?!? HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 23:55, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

They are Alexander McQueen sunglasses though. This probably isn't that relevant, but just looking at that second ref, I note the black dress with the blue beading round the neckline. That is the same dress Sandra Bullock wore to an awards ceremony this year. However, I wouldn't include something like that in the article unless it had made an impact on culture, his company or the fashion industry. I remember a designer who was just doing his thing and trying to make a living, when Kate Winslet wore one of his dresses to the Oscars. It brought him a lot of attention and from then on, he was well known within the fashion industry. That's something I would include in an article. - JuneGloom07 Talk? 00:12, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

That's something I would have no clue about, not being up on fashion topics! Who else are we including besides Gaga then? HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 00:18, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

That was just something random that popped into my head when I saw that dress (here's Sandra wearing it). I think Sarah Jessica Parker has to be included. She was/is a client who often wears his designs and I believe she was also a friend to him. This is a picture I remember very well.

Section posthumous activity

This section does not belong in this BLP imo, its got nothing to do with him at all, a line that says, his brand is continued or somne such is plenty , the fact that Micheal Jackson was played at a show in paris belongs elsewhere as does the comments about his assistants progress, better at Gucci or somewhere. Off2riorob (talk) 18:50, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

Then make a page Alexander McQueen (brand) and differentiate from Alexander McQueen (designer).Reqluce (talk) 19:44, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

Please? I won't be doing that but I will be supporting the content removal from here as it does not belong here, do you think it does? Off2riorob (talk) 19:48, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

No please. I did it myself and corrected the factual error on this page.Reqluce (talk) 23:17, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

connection to Lady Gaga's song

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Alejandro_%28song%29#Is_there_any_relation_to_Alexander_McQueen.3F — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cogiati (talk • contribs) 22:46, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

Upcoming exhibition at the Met

Upcoming exhibition dedicated to McQueen's career at the Metropolitan Museum of Art in NY, 4 May - 31 July 2011. Can this be added please? Refs BBC slideshow Met website. 82.32.238.139 (talk) 18:11, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

Its a little bit of a future event WP:Future event but it is a major show, perhaps some involved editor would add it nearer the day.note - I added the BBC slideshow to the external link section here. Off2riorob (talk) 18:16, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

Also in The Guardian here, described as 'a major exhibition.' 82.32.238.139 (talk) 19:48, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

Royal wedding dress

The dress for the Wedding of Prince William, Duke of Cambridge, and Catherine Middleton was designed by Sarah Burton, who has her own BLP. It is not relevant here. Alexander McQueen (brand) is also a separate article--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 07:02, 1 May 2011 (UTC)

I, of course, could move it but I really think it belongs here, hence the reason I put it here. However, if you insist, I will defer to the powers that be. ~andromeda1960 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Andromeda1960 (talk • contribs) 07:09, 1 May 2011 (UTC)

This problem often occurs when a subject is spread over several articles, but the hatnote makes clear that this article is about the man, not the brand.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 07:12, 1 May 2011 (UTC)

Updates anyone?

Two subjects seem incredibly worthy to update this great piece:

1) The Royal wedding gown

2) The current exhibit retrospective at the Metropolitan Museum of Art in NYC

Just my thoughts 66.234.34.213 (talk) 04:23, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

First sentence puffery

The very first sentence talks about his "in-depth knowledge," and the "emotional power and raw energy" of his shows. The source is the Alexander McQueen website, which is hardly an appropriate beginning to the piece. At the very least these claims cannot be proven or measured for accuracy. The opening paragraph should be a recitation of facts, not an product advertisement. Princetoniac (talk) 21:24, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

Unpaid Internship Controversy?

85.178.90.10 (talk) 13:35, 20 December 2013 (UTC)I apologize in advance if this is not the right place and / or form to post suggestions about sections in the Article, but as I think this is relevant to Alexander McQueen´s Label I would like to discuss whether this controversy is relevant:

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/07/30/alexander-mcqueen-unpaid-internship_n_3675383.html?ir=UK+Universities+%26+Education

Many thanks!

Matt

Hi Matt. If this leads to a wider discussion or coverage of the internship issue in relation to McQueen's company (it's more about the company than the man himself), then it would be worth a mention on Alexander McQueen (brand) - but very definitely not on this page about the designer. But at the moment, this is a standalone source so unless there has been wider coverage in other sources, it is probably not notable enough in itself. (PS: Steve McQueen?) Mabalu (talk) 18:02, 20 December 2013 (UTC)

Okay, absolutely! This should be seperate from the Person Alexander McQueen!... :) Thanks for the swift response... I have also corrected "Steve" to "Alexander", strange mess up in my Mind, sorry...:) ... Matt (User talk:matttalk) 18:44, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

Lots of Action on the Skirt?

What on earth does this mean ("Tributes," second paragraph):

[Björk] wore an outfit created by McQueen on which many mourners came to gather.

Sugarbat (talk) 21:22, 7 October 2014 (UTC)

Good spot - no idea either, I've rewritten that bit slightly so it makes more sense. Mabalu (talk) 22:52, 7 October 2014 (UTC)

March 2015

He was British - I'm sure his 2009 collection would have been an Autumn Collection rather than a Fall one.

This process mystifies me - the protocols - the rules and the explanations - but I do contribute money.

86.191.17.209 (talk) 07:33, 10 March 2015 (UTC) Richard Buxton 86.191.17.209 (talk) 07:33, 10 March 2015 (UTC) is that right?

And what does this...

By clicking the "Save page" button, you agree to the Terms of Use and you irrevocably agree to release your contribution under the CC BY-SA 3.0 License and the GFDL with the understanding that a hyperlink or URL is sufficient for CC BY-SA 3.0 attribution....

Mean?

Hello ISP number! That means that whatever you post on here is public domain and free use, as long as the person reproducing it acknowledges it with a link to the page where they took it from. Also good point re Fall collection - The French certainly say "automne-hiver". I think "fall" is one of those fashion terms that everyone knows what it means, rather than a grossly out-of-place Americanism. However, i checked Vogue, and the UK magazine does use autumn much more often than fall, while American Vogue favours Fall, so I'll modify. Mabalu (talk) 11:15, 10 March 2015 (UTC)

Current London exhibits.

This article at Sotheby's discusses the success of the Metropolitan Museum of Art and the Victoria & Albert Museum's stagings of the "Savage Beauty" exhibit and goes on to discuss the significance of there being two simultaneous London exhibits centered around McQueen, at the V&A and at the Tate.

This page from the Tate has a series of brief audio clips of Nick Waplington, McQueen photographer, and Susannah Frankel, fashion writer, talking about McQueen's influences, design process, and statement goals (silhouette, make-up). Listen especially to "The Wimple", "Backstage", "Moments of Creativity", "Fabric", "The Lip", and "Pushing Boundaries". http://www.tate.org.uk/tate-britain-mobile/nick-waplingtonalexander-mcqueen-working-process ; Main page: http://www.tate.org.uk/whats-on/tate-britain/exhibition/nick-waplingtonalexander-mcqueen-working-process

The Victoria & Albert has a lot of supplementary information for their exhibit: articles, photographs, videos, and even a teacher's guide. See especially "McQueen's V&A" for information on some of his artistic influences - https://vam-blog.s3.amazonaws.com/misc/mc-va.pdf.

Enjoy the research, Wordreader (talk) 05:41, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

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Edit

Good grief. There are many incomplete sentences in the text, so it doesn't make sense in parts. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.174.182.84 (talk) 06:15, 5 July 2018 (UTC)

I agree - there are incomplete sentences. Someone needs to fix it!

For example, under 'Legacy and tributes', section 'Museum exhibitions', the last paragraph/sentence is incomplete:

"A second exhibition, Lee Alexander McQueen: Mind, Mythos, Muse, was staged at the Los Angeles County Museum of Art and the National Gallery of Victoria in 2022. It juxtaposed McQueen's designs with"

Please alert whoever made this edit to finish it! Unskathd (talk) 13:09, 26 December 2022 (UTC)

Unskathd, good catch, that last one was my fault and it's now fixed. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 19:24, 26 December 2022 (UTC)