Talk:Aleksandra Goryachkina/GA1

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Reviewer: Sanfranciscogiants17 (talk · contribs) 13:49, 10 December 2020 (UTC)

Early life and background

• 28 September 1998 - commas should be around the year 28 September, 1998,
  • I think this is normal for European dates (see Lionel Messi for instance). The second comma is optional (like the US date format), the first one is definitely not needed (which is different from the US date format). Sportsfan77777 (talk) 15:13, 10 December 2020 (UTC)
• Link table tennis
  • Done. Sportsfan77777 (talk) 15:13, 10 December 2020 (UTC)
• Two straight sentences start with her; could change the first one to According to her mother, Goryachkina largely taught herself to...
  • Done, good idea! Sportsfan77777 (talk) 15:13, 10 December 2020 (UTC)

2008–14: Two-time World Junior champion, second-youngest WGM

• generally as one of the highest-rated players in these tournaments - insert "finishing" between generally and as
  • In chess, players have a rating in general. Like in tennis for instance, players are seeded before the start of the tournament based on their ranking. Sportsfan77777 (talk) 15:28, 10 December 2020 (UTC)
• In the second sentence, you can take out "five" before gold medals, as this is already implied (unless she actually won five gold medals per tournament).
  • I re-worded it. I don't want to make the reader count it out. Sportsfan77777 (talk) 15:28, 10 December 2020 (UTC)
• 2009, 1½ points - 2009, finishing 1½ points. Or, you could say ranking instead of finishing.
  • Changed to "finishing". (It's not a ranking, it's more like a score.) Sportsfan77777 (talk) 15:28, 10 December 2020 (UTC)
• and was also the second seed - and she was also the second seed. Won and was aren't really parallel, so the sentence is better as two independent clauses.
  • Done. Sportsfan77777 (talk) 15:28, 10 December 2020 (UTC)
• at any of these - can just be at these
  • Done. Sportsfan77777 (talk) 15:28, 10 December 2020 (UTC)
• for the first time a year later in January 2013 - for the first time in January 2013
  • Done. Sportsfan77777 (talk) 15:28, 10 December 2020 (UTC)
• Early in the year - Early in 2012 because of the reference to 2013 in the prior sentence.
  • Done. Sportsfan77777 (talk) 15:28, 10 December 2020 (UTC)
• the last of which at her - the last of which came at her
  • Done. Sportsfan77777 (talk) 15:28, 10 December 2020 (UTC)
• behind only Hou Yifan - You might put how young Hou Yifan was when she became WGM.
  • Added. Sportsfan77777 (talk) 15:28, 10 December 2020 (UTC)
• in Wijk aan Zee in January, the third tier - put the year.
  • Added. Sportsfan77777 (talk) 15:28, 10 December 2020 (UTC)
• Take out "also" in the last sentence since you already have In addition at the beginning of the sentence.
  • Done. Sportsfan77777 (talk) 15:28, 10 December 2020 (UTC)

2015–18: Teenage Grandmaster, two-time Russian champion

• half of 2015, and first - I don't think you need the comma since these aren't two independent clauses.
  • Done. Sportsfan77777 (talk) 15:36, 10 December 2020 (UTC)
• would continue to earn many more norms over the next few years - would earn more norms over the next few years - Probably best to take out many, since that's subjective and indefinite.
  • Done. Sportsfan77777 (talk) 15:36, 10 December 2020 (UTC)
• over that span of two years either - Either isn't needed.
  • Done. Sportsfan77777 (talk) 15:36, 10 December 2020 (UTC)
• She did not earn any more norms in 2016, at best getting three additional redundant IM norms - Kind of unclear, perhaps She did not earn any new norms in 2016, though she did earn three redundant IM norms.
  • Clarified "GM norms" in the first clause. Sportsfan77777 (talk) 15:36, 10 December 2020 (UTC)
• She could not repeat her previous year's performance at the 2016 Russian Women's Championship Superfinal, only scoring 5/11 - since the previous sentence begins with she, rephrase to Unable to repeat her previous year's performance at the 2016 Russian Women's Championship Superfinal, she only scored 5/11
• Goryachkina had a better year in 2017 - Undoubtedly true, but a little subjective; how about Goryachkina earned new norms in 2017
  • Re-worded as "Goryachkina began improving her rating again in 2017" and cited. Sportsfan77777 (talk) 15:36, 10 December 2020 (UTC)
• I don't think you need the comma in the last sentence.
  • Removed. Sportsfan77777 (talk) 15:36, 10 December 2020 (UTC)

2019–present: World Championship challenger

• in March highlighted by - sentence is turning into a bit of a run-on, how about in March. Her performance was highlighted by
  • Split in two: "Goryachkina gained back most of the rating points she lost in the preceding few months at the beginning of 2019. In particular, she scored 6½/11 at the 2019 European Individual Chess Championship in March, notably recording a win against Rauf Mamedov, who was rated 2701 at the time." Sportsfan77777 (talk) 15:47, 10 December 2020 (UTC)
• which was being revived in conjunction with the dissolution of the knockout format that had been used for the past two decades - not sure refs 55 and 56 cover this. If they don't, could you provide a citation for this?
  • Added a new citation. Sportsfan77777 (talk) 15:47, 10 December 2020 (UTC)
• by a wide margin of 1½ points - by 1½ points
  • I think the sources back that it was in fact a wide margin. Sportsfan77777 (talk) 15:47, 10 December 2020 (UTC)

I am not sure it is necessary to say this, anyway. I am accustomed to thinking of a margin of 1½ points as a wide margin, I don't need to be told. But if you really need to say that's a wide margin, then I recommend that instead of "by a wide margin of 1½ points", you say "by 1½ points, a wide margin".

• Take out also in the last two sentences.
  • I removed the first, but not the second. Sportsfan77777 (talk) 15:47, 10 December 2020 (UTC)
• last classical game if this is traditional chess terminology, leave as is, but if not, regularly-scheduled game conveys the meaning better.
  • It is chess terminology (meaning not a "fast game"), but I can link the glossary.
• She then finished - since the previous sentence also started with she, Then, she finished
  • Restructured the sentence. Sportsfan77777 (talk) 15:47, 10 December 2020 (UTC)
• Put a comma after Dzagnidze, helps make a little clearer.
  • Added. Sportsfan77777 (talk) 15:47, 10 December 2020 (UTC)

I am not accustomed to seeing hyphens in "clear first", "joint first", "joint second", "career best", and so on. Is this some strange Wikipedia usage? Bruce leverett (talk) 16:49, 10 December 2020 (UTC)

I'll fix that. Sportsfan77777 (talk) 18:08, 10 December 2020 (UTC)

Don't need "the" in "won on the tiebreak criteria." Bruce leverett (talk) 16:49, 10 December 2020 (UTC)

"She resumed competition at the Russian World Championship Higher League ..." - Does the word "World" belong here? Bruce leverett (talk) 16:49, 10 December 2020 (UTC)

And this. Sportsfan77777 (talk) 18:08, 10 December 2020 (UTC)

International events

• at the 2013 European Team Chess Championship. She scored - at the 2013 European Team Chess Championship, scoring
  • Done. Sportsfan77777 (talk) 16:10, 10 December 2020 (UTC)
• Link Georgia
  • I think Georgia is notable enough to not be linked (especially in chess), as with most countries. Sportsfan77777 (talk) 16:10, 10 December 2020 (UTC)
• Since the previous paragraph starts with Goryachkina, start the second with In 2016, Goryachkina made her Chess Olympiad debut on the third board
  • I try to avoid starting paragraphs with "In a year" if the entire paragraph does not take place during that year (or even in general). Sportsfan77777 (talk) 16:10, 10 December 2020 (UTC)
• She did not have a good performance, scoring 4.5/9 for a performance rating of 2328 as Russian finished one spot out of the medals - Undoubtedly true, but subjective. How about She finished 11th out of 20 on the board, scoring 4.5/9 for a performance rating of 2328 as Russian finished one spot out of the medals
  • It's not subjective because performance rating gives a clear quantitative measure of performance. Sportsfan77777 (talk) 16:10, 10 December 2020 (UTC)
• Nonetheless, Goryachkina fared much better, winning the bronze medal on the second board and playing behind only Kosteniuk - Nonetheless, Goryachkina won a medal this time, earning the bronze on the second board and finishing behind only Kosteniuk
  • Changed to "Nonetheless, Goryachkina won a medal this time, winning the bronze on the second board while playing behind only Kosteniuk." (the last part is stating that Kosteniuk played on the top board) Sportsfan77777 (talk) 16:10, 10 December 2020 (UTC)
• Nevertheless at their next event, Russia won their third consecutive European Team Championship. - I don't think nevertheless is a good transition, since China's not part of Europe. Also, what was Russia's next event?
  • Changed to "Despite that runner-up, Russia won their third consecutive European Team Championship at their next event." Sportsfan77777 (talk) 16:10, 10 December 2020 (UTC)
• Take out also in the last sentence.
  • Done. Sportsfan77777 (talk) 16:10, 10 December 2020 (UTC)

National events

• Yamalo-Nenets Autonomous Okrug is referred to as YaNAO at first mention and Yamal in second. Use the same one so readers won't think you're talking about a different place the second time.
  • Changed to YaNAO. Sportsfan77777 (talk) 16:11, 10 December 2020 (UTC)

Personal life

• She formerly taught online through Discord. - Formerly, she taught online through Discord.
  • Changed to "She used to teach" Sportsfan77777 (talk) 16:19, 10 December 2020 (UTC)
• Link classical music, and if she mentions any favorite composers, include those, as Classical music covers a wide array of styles.
  • Someone else added that from watching the video (in Russian), and I don't speak Russian. Sportsfan77777 (talk) 16:19, 10 December 2020 (UTC)
• Link football to show it's not American.
  • Done. Sportsfan77777 (talk) 16:19, 10 December 2020 (UTC)
• You might add to the personal life section that she likes ice cream, according to reference 56.
  • Haha, I think that might be overstating its importance. Sportsfan77777 (talk) 16:19, 10 December 2020 (UTC)

External links

Are the bottom two links duplicates? If so, one should be removed; if not, they should be differentiated somehow. I know the spelling's different, but if it's additional records for the same person, there should be an explanatory note.

• They are different, but I removed both, as I don't think either is needed. Sportsfan77777 (talk) 16:21, 10 December 2020 (UTC)

Great article! Most of my comments are just picky grammar suggestions. Once these changes are addressed, it should be a good article! Sanfranciscogiants17 (talk) 14:52, 10 December 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the review, Sanfranciscogiants17!! I addressed everything above. Sportsfan77777 (talk) 16:44, 10 December 2020 (UTC)

Looks good, passing. Well done! Sanfranciscogiants17 (talk) 17:54, 10 December 2020 (UTC)