Talk:Alabama Crimson Tide/Archive 1

Clean this up

there is an incredible amount of vandalism on this page, i'll come back to clean this up

Well, it's to be expected when you have one of the biggest rivalries in the NCAA in the same state. It's really hard to prevent. AlaGuy 16:17, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Rivalry

Um... Alabama/Auburn is considered "the most intense game in college football"?? Hardly. Ohio State/Michigan is not only just as huge a rivalry, but actually field the best teams in the nation. This is incredibly POV. int3gr4te 03:10, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

The Iron Bowl--as well as Michigan-tOSU--has been recognized as one of the most intense rivalries in college football on many occasions. --Ttownfeen 20:28, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

As a thoroughly-biased native Alabaman, I certainly think the IB is intense regardless of national standing of the teams. But Wikipedia standards call for citation of external authorities rather than dueling opinions. Also most of the IB material can be best covered in Iron Bowl with a suitable {{main}} or whatever the template is here. - PhilipR 07:04, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

68.212.208.232 04:41, 17 December 2006 (UTC)i just want to ask int3gr4te one question. Have you ever even seen an AU-AL game? then you can can answer the rivalry question correctly. The IB is very intense. War Eagle and 5 in a row.

Save the chants for the game son. Anyways, you are very correct, any kind of season record or ranking is thrown out of the window when the players get on the field. So, Int3gr4te, I'd say that the rivalries are equal at the very most. I'm sorry, but, just because the #1 and #2 teams played this year, doesn't mean that the OSU v. Mich. game fields the best teams each year. It usually helps to use logic. AlaGuy 17:57, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Arkansas link

I don't think that alabama/arkansas link really belongs here. It seems to be more of an Arkansas Link. I'm taking it off, but if one of the admins has a problem with it, i'm sorry

Bryant hagiography

Bud Wilkenson had a streak longer than 28 games when he coached at Oklahoma in the 1950s (ended by a Bryant-coached Kentucky team), but it was definitely longer than the one identified in the article as the longest in college football up to that time.

A legendary coach doesn't need reams of flowery prose to impress the reader. Facts suffice. ({{pov-section}} implies I should leave a comment, but I think it's self-evident that section needs to be more encyclopedic.) - PhilipR 06:59, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

I agreed, and did a first pass at rewriting the flowery prose. Did I make any progress? Realkyhick 23:27, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Without a doubt. Thanks. PhilipR 23:54, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Glad to help. I like "The Bear" as much as anyone in Alabama, but the original was a bit over the top for Wikipedia. Realkyhick 03:28, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Oh, I forgot to mention that some of that content could be beneficially offloaded to Bear Bryant, for example the funeral material which should be verifiable. (Incidentally WikiProject College Football is still in a state of flux w/r/t importance of coaches' articles. Bryant is considered "Low" which is a joke, Robert Neyland and Woody Hayes are "Mid" which is probably appropriate, and Fielding Yost is "High" which seems a little excessive. I'd like to get an assessment for Dan McGugin, the preeminent coach in the South from 1900-40, but there seems to be no settled precedent to go by, just a bunch of WAGs.) Cheers, PhilipR 03:53, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

I'll try to get to that in a few days. I'm behind in work now (the kind that pays $$$). :-) Realkyhick 22:07, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Done. Realkyhick 19:33, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Haha, I can assure you, the funeral information is completely true. AlaGuy 01:28, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

National Titles

This should be cleaned up/expanded. The College FB Datawarehouse recognizes 11 titles, and even one of those is very much in dispute (1973 UPI Title, based on poll voted before loss to Notre Dame in bowl).216.217.25.130 00:27, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Well, if we were to go with an alternate source, I think that I'd side with the NCAA. Who does preside over all college teams nearly. They recognize 15. So, a definite number is indefinite. Besides I don't believe I've heard of the College FB Datawarehouse. AlaGuy 21:36, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

I'm a current student at UA. We have a trophy case. It has 12 rightful titles. You're welcome to come and see, if you'd like. —Preceding unsigned comment added by RollTideRoll10 (talk • contribs)

true. lets go with 15 just for the sake of argument —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.168.233.98 (talk)

Folks, I'm getting tired of people changing the title stats back and forth. If it keeps up, we're going to put page protection up. Behave, people. Realkyhick 19:08, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Alabama has 12 official national championships, but should it really matter to an Auburn fan? Tell your team to go out and get more than a half a championship (1957), so you guys can stop being obsessed with Alabama's tradition and create your own. Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.192.108.140 (talk) 17:54, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Linkspam

Good idea to weed some stuff out. However, www.bamahockey.org is the official team site. The Tide hockey team is a club team, not an official varsity sport, so they maintain their site separately from the Athletic Dept. I think that link should be restored. By the way, congrats to the "Frozen Tide" as they finished their first-ever season with an 8-11 record — darn good for a brand new team. Realkyhick 07:10, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

I see your point but Wikipedia is not a directory of links. --ElKevbo 07:22, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Granted, and I'm not in favor of having all those links (especially the commercial ones), but since that particular site is the team's official site, and we would likely list the official sites of any of the other Tide teams, I think that one should stay. But it's not that big a deal to me. (By the way, looking over that old list of links, it's amazing how many variations you can get of "roll," "Tide," "crimson," and "dot something.") Realkyhick 16:02, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

I would think that having every team's official website listed would make this a directory of links, something Wikipedia is explicitly not.

I'd like to think that we could add back one or two of the fan sites as it's appropriate to have a link to the largest and most notable fan site but (a) I don't know how to objectively determine which one best meets those criteria and (b) that would open the flood gates to add more fan sites and we'd be back at square one in no time. --ElKevbo 16:52, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

In my estimation, Realkyhick's proposal is more closely aligned with the spirit of WP:EL. Just sayin'. --Dystopos 18:28, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

If someone wants to add the link, go ahead - I won't remove it. I won't add it, either, but it's not an egregious violation of policy or custom. If someone feels strongly, please be bold as I was when removing the links! I'm sure we all have bigger fish to fry than this one external link but if it makes you happy to add it then please be my guest. :) --ElKevbo 19:48, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Quotes

The Steely Dan quote served no purpose.

Logo

I've reverted to the previous logo that was used on this page. While Image:AlabamaCrimsonTide.png and Image:CrimsonTideAlogo.png are two of the three secondary marks according Rolltide.com [1], Image:CrimsonTideAlogo.png is the more generic logo that is used throughout the program. Both are correct, but I believe Image:CrimsonTideAlogo.png is more appropriate for this article, as it discusses the athletic program as a whole. - auburnpilot talk 03:19, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

Football

Opinionated, unencyclopedic material removed from text following list of national championship seasons. New text added with references. The rewritten text, however, is arguably redundant with the table.Mjwms (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 13:47, 8 May 2008 (UTC)