Talk:Al-Qaeda guest houses, Faisalabad

I am going to revert the edit from anonymous user 38.112.47.92 — I looked up their IP — Performance Systems International Inc.

They didn't cite a source for their change. They provided the following explanation in their edit summary:

"The prior version of the page was inaccurate--there were no raids on Salafi University. Each of the detainees said to have been captured there were actually captured at Crescent Mill/Issa guesthouse."

In the absence of a citation, I am going to assume it was based on a misreading of the article. I have changed the order of the captives, and put some phrases in bold, to prevent similar confusion in future.

Cheers! -- Geo Swan 00:33, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

update

The DoD released new documents in September 2007 OARDEC has released over 2200 documents now.

• OARDEC (September 10 2007). "Combatant Status Review Tribunal (CSRT) and Administrative Review Board (ARB) Documents". United States Department of Defense. Retrieved 2007-09-29. {{cite news}}: Check date values in: |date= (help)

These new documents reveal details about further captives apprehended in Faisalabad.

The article shouldn't state, as a fact, that the Issa guesthouse, the screcent mill guesthouse, and the Salafi University foreign students' dormitory are all the same place. It is a temptation to avoid because the new documents strongly imply they are all the same. But saying so would be original research.

Cheers! Geo Swan 19:13, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

BLP issues

I removed these individuals from the article as their connection with the guest house and Abu Zubaydah as it is insufficiently verified or even entirely unreferenced. IQinn (talk) 21:30, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

BLP? This isn't a Biography of living people, it is an article about al qaeda safe houses. You removed sourced material with some that was un-sourced. Please revert your edit as it has nothing to do with BLP. V7-sport (talk) 21:56, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

I seems to me that you are also not familiar with BLP so let me tell you that the protection of living individuals is not only limited to biographies. We are taking the protection of living people very serious here at Wikipedia. None of the content i have removed was sufficient referenced. IQinn (talk) 22:32, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

You have deleted sourced material and slapped a BLP label on it where it is clearly inappropriate. This seems to be a pattern in your editing, wherever you see something you want removed you claim it's a "BLP" violation. Stating that so and so was arrested in such and such location and providing a reference to that event is not a BLP violation. What specifically was not "sufficient referenced"?V7-sport (talk) 22:57, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

No that is absolutely wrong. What i have done is that i have removed contentious material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced. What is a good thing to do. Seems to me that you do not have much knowledge about BLP and sourcing. Take it to the BLP noticeboard if you like. I also think your tone is a bit rude. Is that because i have just pointed out that i think you are WP:WIKIHOUNDING? IQinn (talk) 23:12, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

It wasn't "contentious". There was the sourced assertion that they were arrested at such and such place. Do you contend that the source is wrong? WP:WIKIHOUNDING? Isn't that what you are doing to Geo Swan?V7-sport (talk) 23:41, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

It is obviously contentious if you get related to al-qaeda and terrorism. Wikipedia is not about truth. It is verifiability and these informations are all unsourced or poorly sourced. No doubt about that. Take it to the BLP noticeboard. Not much more to do here. I have never been wikihounding Geo Swan, that is ridiculous and just another ad hominem argument that has nothing to do with the the fact that you are WIKIHOUNDING. I suggest we leave it like that as there are better places to discuss this. Cheers IQinn (talk) 00:06, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

To be clear and honest with you; I am not wikihounding. I think your edits are borderline vandalism. That's not an ad hominem, it is regrettably what I have observed over the past few days. This is made more disturbing by you exclusively intervening on behalf of anyone who has murdered the kuffar in the name of jihad. From what I have seen you haven't showed any interest in any other topic. This latest deletion is a part of a pattern of activist editing. It's not wikihounding to object to that. Again, you have deleted sourced material without being clear as to what your specific objection. Was it a problem with the source? Or was it that you didn't want it to be known that they were arrested?V7-sport (talk) 01:19, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

A civil conversation is impossible with you. Your continues WIKIHOUNDING, Wikipedia:Disruptive editing, WP:EDITWARRING and personal attacks WP:NPA is stunning.

" To be clear and honest with you; I am not wikihounding." The diffs have been provided and there are more and you have stated your point. Not much more to say on this page here. Good luck

"This is made more disturbing by you exclusively intervening on behalf of anyone who has murdered the kuffar in the name of jihad." This statement alone is enough to ban you from Wikipedia forever. You know the rules, you have been warned. You blew it.

Your reply shows that you do not have knowledge in referencing and after this statement here i am not willing to teach you. Take it to the BLP noticeboard as suggested. IQinn (talk) 01:51, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

Just being clear and honest. Your edit history is disturbing and smacks of advocacy. There is no BLP issue that I can see here unless you contest that these people were arrested. If there was a BLP issue you could have addressed that rather then just wholesale deleting sourced material. V7-sport (talk) 02:28, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

Hi Mar4d, your claim is false. Contentious material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced gets removed according to our BLP policies. There is no room for unsourced contentions material that concerns living people. That get's removed and that has always been removed first and anybody is welcome to put it back together with sources. This has been always community consensus up to people like Jimbo. IQinn (talk) 06:49, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

The case has been added to the BLP noticeboard: Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard#Al_Qaida_guest_houses.2C_Faisalabad IQinn (talk) 07:04, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

Why are you removing the references (in the article) to the Salafi University? Isn't that relevant, as it is also in the same city? Mar4d (talk) 08:48, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

What reference are you talking about? IQinn (talk) 09:08, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

I meant to say 'mention' Mar4d (talk) 09:46, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

Unreliable primary source that is not suitable to verify the given information without violating WP:OR. Hope that answer your question. Have also a look at this on here. IQinn (talk) 10:07, 21 February 2011 (UTC)