Talk:Agnieszka Radwańska

Aga's parents

No mention in the article is made of her parents. I live in Poland and I believe her mother is - or was - a tennis coach in Warsaw and this is how she and her sister were able to play so much tennis as youngsters. Can anyone confirm this?Ivankinsman (talk) 11:28, 6 July 2012 (UTC) –

I understand that her father was the coach before Tomas, and her mother (a qualified accountant) is or was her business manager.

Meltingpot (talk) 12:44, 6 September 2016 (UTC)

WP:BIO by Auroranorth 12:00, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Removed "In addition, Radwańska is known for her gamesmanship." under the section Playing Style, as this is clearly not part of a neutral or unbiased presentation of her tennis playing style and was poorly sourced. Further searches of Radwanska's alleged gamesmanship show that this can be found only on the article of a SINGLE website (http://www.tennis-x.com/story/2007-09-02/i.php). Furthermore, the supposed gamesmanship is attributed from a single incident in 2008, when Radwanska beat Sharapova. During the match, Radwanska moved forward on the court to meet Sharapova's second serve, which players routinely do in order to be in position to put pressure on a weaker second serve.

Accusations of gamesmanship should not be inserted into neutral articles on Wikipedia, any more than the controversy over Sharapova's shrieking should be presented as an authoritative source on Sharapova's gamesmanship. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.85.43.135 (talk) 03:17, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

Aga is not known for any gamesmanship tactics other than US Open in 2007. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Julieprus (talk • contribs) 16:57, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

Discussion concerning this article

A discussion that may affect the name or title of this article is ongoing here. Please voice any opinions or concerns on that page. After the discussion concludes, this article may be moved to a different title, in accordance with Wikipedia's Naming Conventions. Thank you. Tennis expert (talk) 19:16, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Requested move

The name of this article should be changed to "Agnieszka Radwanska" because that is the name used on the English-language websites of the official governing bodies of tennis, the Women's Tennis Association and the International Tennis Federation. That also is the name used on the English-language websites of Fed Cup and the French Open (Roland Garros). Tennis expert (talk) 18:54, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Oppose. Wikipedia aspires to higher fidelity and exactness than a sports data base oriented for public consumption and quite possibly, oblivious to the need to be exact, but rather, expedient. Equally well, you might motivate streamlining the content of Wikipedia to include as notable only items mentioned on American sport television, such as ESPN. The funny little symbols under your editing window have been provided for a reason -- please use them. No need to type on the keyboard -- just press and the correct glyph will appear in the article at your cursor. WP guidelines do not advocate impoverishing scholarly rendition of non-English proper knowns, and misguided efforts in that direction will be opposed on their lack of merit. I think it an intellectually discrediting activity, this spawning by boilerplate, quasi-robotically an assault on people's actual names, only by discriminating against them on the basis of having attained notability while playing tennis (surely counter to Jimbo's extensive protection of the integrity of biographies of living persons), which gives the impression, that you will take what you can get, instead of striving to persuade on principle the entire Wikipedia community. Detestable practice, that. --Mareklug ^talk 17:36, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

I'm trying to understand your arguments; so, please correct my summary of them as you see necessary. (1) American sports television like ESPN should not dictate whether diacritics are used in English Wikipedia. (2) The funny little symbols are available below the English Wikipedia editing screens and that fact alone supports using diacritics to name tennis biographies in English Wikipedia. (3) Not using diacritics to name tennis biographies in English Wikipedia would constitute the impoverishment of scholarly activities and would be intellectually discrediting. (4) Not using diacritics is a quasi-robotic assault on people's actual names and is discriminatory against them because of their success as tennis players. Does that about cover it? I noticed you have not provided even one citation to support your arguments; so, everything is purely your opinion. See WP:UGH and appeal to ridicule, among other things. Tennis expert (talk) 21:20, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

You also argue like a robot. Are you not man? Are you Devo? I addressed the "this is just your opinion"/"where are your sources" meta-discourse under Agnieszka's sister's tallk page, or was it talk:Daniela Hantuchová? This "Tennis expert will assimilate you/we are Borg" easy-spellin' campaign blurs in my memory for all its repetiveness, or do I mean, replicancy, and that's with me participating in 3 instances (of countable hundreds, I wager). In any event, you are impervious to suggestion, or perhaps unable to carry this discourse over from one talk page to another. Programming limitation or divide and conquer? Do tell. --Mareklug ^talk

Now you're being incivil. Tennis expert (talk) 21:41, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

And is it civil of you to disregard my answer given elsewhere and pretend thereby that I have not addressed your concern? Is it civil to wage a distributed, replicated campaign in order to wear down the others, who disagree with you on one principle? Read my replies with understanding, and you will see a mirror. --Mareklug ^talk 21:46, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

See WP:AGF, this, and everything cited there. Tennis expert (talk) 22:05, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

I am already aware of that tedius exchange, rather unenlightening. You should rather direct your fellows in crime to talk:Daniela Hantuchová#Requested move, where I just sourced, as we are so fond of saying, some telling BBC references and even framed a lovely quotation that just might tease y'all out of your misapprehension on how to write Czech/Slovak names properly in English. --Mareklug ^talk 22:45, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

You cited there a mere blog about how tennis player names should be pronounced by BBC on-air commentators. A Google search of the BBC website did not reveal even one instance of "Hantuchová" being used except in the blog you cited. I got the same result when I searched that website for "Radwańska." Tennis expert (talk) 02:54, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Request for wider input on discussion at WikiProject Tennis

There is a long, ongoing discussion at WP:Tennis about the tournament tables found in tennis articles on English-language Wikipedia (e.g., this type of table). The discussion is about whether the "official sponsored name" of a tournament - such as Pacific Life Open - or another tournament name without the sponsor - such as Indian Wells Masters - must be used in those articles. Please join the discussion here. Thanks. Tennis expert (talk) 09:14, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

Regarding Radwańska's "friendship" with Azarenka

As we know, it's always been clear that Radwańska was friends with Azarenka. However, given their last match (at the Doha semi-finals) circumstances (where Azarenka apparently sprained her ankle, but carried on fine during the rallies), I think it deserves at least a mention in the "Personal Life" or "Radwanska vs Azarenka Rivalry", since it's clear something happened after the match. Agnieszka gave Victoria a cold handshake, and then as I mentioned, said she was "angry" with her and had lost a lot of respect for her.

I don't know my edit was removed since the source is not clear, because a lot of the tennis media wrote about it:

http://tennis.si.com/2012/02/23/agnieszka-radwanska-not-pleased-with-victoria-azarenka/ - Important article since it mentions an Azarenka tweet which seems to be about Radwanska's remarks

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/tennis-busted-racquet/radwanska-says-she-angry-world-no-1-azarenka-173825320.html

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/agnieszka-radwanska-accuses-victoria-azarenka-of-poor-sportsmanship/story-e6frf9if-1226280751286

http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/sports/281286/radwanska-angry-with-azarenka

I understand none of them said they stopped being friends, but I think it deserves a small mention even in parentheses about the quotes and the incident.

Hoping to hear what you all think. Matt2411 talk - 24 Feb 23:03

Late reply: I simply removed her list of friends a while ago. "Friend lists" are sort of trivial IMO, unless every friendship has received notable media attention. -- James26 (talk) 07:10, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

The Professor

I've only seen Garbine Muguruza refer to Aga as 'La Profesora' (The Professor). Is it in wide enough circulation amongst her fellow players, sports commentators and the public to warrant a mention on Wikipedia? Meltingpot (talk) 20:14, 25 November 2016 (UTC)

Radwanska contents

This what i think should be placed in Radwanska page.

• Tournament Wins and Runner-ups
• Grand Slam Results
• Premier Mandatory Results
• Quarterfinals or better peformance

Dencod16 (talk) 03:09, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

And I largely agree (see what talking can accomplish?), which is why most of that stuff is already there.

The current version includes...

• Tournament wins (discussed in the prose)
• Grand Slam results (all are included in the box at the bottom; some runs are discussed in the prose)
• Upsets

However, I think there should be limits. IMO, the prose should include...

• Some Premier Mandatory results (which the current version includes)
• Some quarterfinal or better performances (which the current version includes)

I say "some" because I think the prose should focus on what's notable. We don't need to constantly note that she "lost in the first round of this Premier tournament, then lost in the second round of this Premier tournament, then lost in the third round of this Premier tournament, then lost in the second round of this smaller tournament."

Wikipedia is not a diary. That's why I was opposed to the older version; it cluttered up the flow of the article. And, as mentioned, some of the unneeded stuff was unverified.

I think the current version flows smoothly and gets to the point. I'm not trying to come off as stubborn or vain because it's my preferred version. I just think we should focus on how to move it forward from here. I'd be happy to work with you on that if we can reach an agreement. -- James26 (talk) 03:55, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

How about Year-End Championships for 2009-2010 where she played as an alternate, as the year-end is the most prestigious after the Slams. Dencod16 (talk) 04:04, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

Good point. Very notable. I'll source it and add it myself. :) -- James26 (talk) 04:08, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

Photo gallery

Anybody else think that there are a few too many pictures here? Clarityfiend (talk) 16:03, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

Hmmm ... Seems to be a bit of "photo inflation" going on in the tennis bios:

Chris Evert: 1

Martina Navratilova: 4 and a postage stamp

Steffi Graf: 5 and a scoreboard(?)

Martina Hingis: 7

Serena Williams: 12

Radwańska: 10, without having accomplished as much as these others yet Clarityfiend (talk) 16:15, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

WTA Shot of the Year and general writing style of this entry

I don't see the point of writing such trivia in the timeline, do we need to find an "achievement" for her every year? Comparing to other WTA top players Serena Williams, Maria Sharapova, Li Na, Victoria Azarenka or Petra Kvitova etc, this entry is poorly written in many aspects. It constantly tried to remind people Aga is great, so let's focus on the excellence of Aga, if she didn't do well in a match or a tournament, we will skip it and move on to the next great things we can brag and we will talk about those in detail. This entry reads like a fluff piece written by an insecure fan who is afraid of people may not recognized Aga's achievements, or thinks if we don't emphsize on her achievements, Aga will be dwarfed by other tennis players on wikipedia. 173.5.253.208 (talk) 23:59, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

"Removed early-round exits"?

I don't agree with this editing of "Removed early-round exits". This is a wiki entry about Aga's tennis career, it should be objective, you cannot only report the matches she won while ignore those she lost. Read the wiki entries of other tennis players, the early round exits/upsets were well documented and sometimes in detail. Winning or losing, is part of their sports career and they all should be included. A.M.L athony (talk) 10:55, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

There was no bias. That was done to avoid cluttering the article, because it didn't seem worth mentioning that a player lost in round 1 or 2. No problem if you disagree. -- James26 (talk) 02:41, 27 October 2016 (UTC)

Requested move 22 November 2015

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The result of the move request was: No move. We have a clear consensus against removing the diacritic in this case. Cúchullain ^t/c 16:33, 30 November 2015 (UTC)

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Agnieszka Radwańska → Agnieszka Radwanska – Many tennis players only have spelling sources in English newspapers, tv news, and magazines. There has been concern in the past about using sources that don't really use a lot of diacritics or foreign letters. Ana Ivanovic and Novak Djokovic are exceptions in that they also have additional sources which conclusively show that they themselves do not use those letters in English usage. And we use sourcing here at wikipedia. Agnieszka_Radwanska can be additionally sourced to use the spelling Radwanska on her personal twitter account, her personal official facebook account, her own website, her signature, etc. These sources have no problem with diacritics and non-English letters yet she chose to spell her name Agnieszka Radwanska. Since it can be conclusively shown that this is how she spells her own name in English usage, the article should be titled as such (just as we do for Novak Djokovic instead of Novak Đoković). Fyunck(click) (talk) 04:44, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

• Comment: On her website the diacritic appears in the site title and in the copyright footer. Also in the about section it says "ROBERT RADWAŃSKI" (her father) and "URSZULA RADWAŃSKA" (her sister). Make91 (talk) 14:01, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

  Just because her parents spell their name one way doesn't mean Agnieszka has to do the same. And she doesn't. My great grandparents spelled their name Kołodziejczyk in Polish but subsequent generations living in Poland and abroad first dropped the czyk and then dropped the ł to make it Kolodziej (even though it's still pronounced as a w). Fyunck(click) (talk) 19:06, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

• Comment for the closing admin: This issue is identical to Talk:Ana_Ivanovic#Requested_move_21_November_2015. Both Radwańska and Ivanović are known as "Radwanska" and "Ivanovic" in almost all English sources and they both use those names without diacritics on their official web sites. So, please do not close one discussion with one decision and the other with the opposite. Those two discussions are about the exact same issue, and closing the two with opposite result would just make things worse. Those two discussions should be viewed as one. Vanjagenije (talk) 20:55, 22 November 2015 (UTC)
• Oppose for reasons that I mentioned above, diacritics are in use on her website, similar to Marin Čilić:

   <title>Agnieszka Radwańska</title>
   <meta name="description" content="Agnieszka Radwańska">
   <meta name="keywords" content="Agnieszka Radwańska">
   <a href="/en"><img class="logo" src="/images/logo.png" alt="Agnieszka Radwańska"></a>
   <a href="/en"><img src="/images/aga.png" alt="Aga Radwańska"></a>
   © 2013-2015 Agnieszka Radwańska   

Since the diacritic is indeed used on her own website, and this is her actual name, I think we should use it also. Make91 (talk) 15:18, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

• Oppose nice point from User:Make91, but really oppose more on the lines of User:Vanjagenije and all the arguments against dumbing down to use Twitter fonts on Talk:Ana Ivanovic and Talk:Marin Čilić. We have a MOS across the whole on en.wp which always uses full Unicode fonts for East European Latin alphabets (like "Radwańska" in hardback English book), so really would be bizarre to make these 3 be exceptions to an estimated 500,000 Europe bio and geo articles simply because they play tennis, and the tennis editors at WP:TENNISNAMES and WP:TENNISNAMES2 already had an avalanche of rejection for this idea.... Note to closing admin to please close all 3 consistently with the rest of the encyclopedia. In ictu oculi (talk) 14:17, 24 November 2015 (UTC)
• Oppose. Name is spellt with diacritics.--Zoupan 15:13, 24 November 2015 (UTC)
• Oppose per Make91 their own website uses diacritics so I think the point is moot. -DJSasso (talk) 20:23, 24 November 2015 (UTC)
• Request relist as requested above please close or relist this RM with the other two current RMs. In ictu oculi (talk) 15:37, 28 November 2015 (UTC)
• 'Oppose per Make91; this not comparable to Ivanovic, who has deonstrably dropped the diacritic. A.R. uses both spellings on her website. Here's a direct copy-paste from it: "Contrary to Vanjagenije© 2013-2015 Agnieszka Radwańska". The diacritic version is used frequently on the site [1]. These are in plain, running text in various contexts, not a stylized logo, so it's more authoritative as to usage. For all we know, the dropping of the diacritic in the logo was the decision of a Web designer A.R. hired and she's been too busy to object. Or she doesn't care much. Who knows? What we do know that the diacritics spelling is now WP:ABOUTSELF attested, so it stays. She even uses the diacritic version with her nickname, Aga. Where the no-diacritic version appears in running text on her site, it's mostly in the context of sports statistics that were probably copy-pasted from the tennis organization. The Talk:Marin Čilić RM turns up the same pattern of results for that player. What is it with tennis and this anti-diacritics campaigning on WP? We settled this stuff last year, and the year before that. Give it a rest.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽^ʌⱷ҅_ᴥⱷ^ʌ≼  15:03, 29 November 2015 (UTC)
• Oppose - name is correct as is; fact is fact —Мандичка^YO 😜 14:24, 30 November 2015 (UTC)

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Lead photo

This is quite a sad photo of Aga IMO (although it certainly looks nice) because she lost in the first round of the 2015 French Open, and purportedly left the grounds in tears. I think one from last year's WTA Finals, the most prestigious title which she has won so far, would be more appropriate. Meltingpot (talk) 20:31, 29 January 2016 (UTC)

Misrepresentation of sources in pursuit of bias

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To the Radwanska fanboy who is desperate to include the phrase Known for constructing points and making intelligent use the court: the sources don't say these things, and even if they directly did, you'd still be trying to present opinions as facts. This is forbidden by policy. The only phrase in any of the sources that comes close to resembling what you're trying to write is "But she makes intelligent use of the court, as evidenced by her rise to world No. 6 in the rankings". This is obviously a completely different thing to saying that Radwanska is known for making intelligent use of the court. Being a fan of someone does not qualify you to write about them I suggest you start away from this article until your ardour for Radwanska has eased a bit. 86.173.208.139 (talk) 08:31, 27 October 2016 (UTC) First of all, you are not allowed to make personal attacks on Wikipedia. Secondly, I'm not sure that you've even read the sources fully. Both the ESPN source and the WTA source state that she constructs points, while the WTA source also states that other players describe her as intelligent, and Gulf News directly mentions "intelligent use of the court", so she is therefore recognized for these things. This is her playing style and it is well-documented here. -- James26 (talk) 15:45, 27 October 2016 (UTC) Making knowingly false accusations of vandalism is a particularly grievous personal attack but you felt perfectly entitled to do that. I can find you sources aplenty describing negative aspects of Radwanska's game. To conclude from those sources that she is "known" for those aspects would be as ridiculous as what you're doing. Stop crufting up the encyclopaedia, and learn what neutrality means. 94.118.222.220 (talk) 09:59, 29 October 2016 (UTC) My comments were directed at your edits. They were not a personal attack. Your edits do not cite Wikipedia policy, just your views, and are therefore being reverted and reported. -- James26 (talk) 10:16, 29 October 2016 (UTC)

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Wrong position in the WTA ranking

There is currently written in the box on the right of the page that Agnieszka Radwańska has the 389th position in the WTA singles ranking. This is completely wrong. The current position is 39 as you can see here: http://www.wtatennis.com/rankings. Ciszek (talk) 20:07, 25 August 2018 (UTC)