Talk:Afro-Asians/Archive 2

List of Afro-Asians

What happened to the list of notable Afro-Asian people? Why is it that that list was deleted but the one for Eurasians stayed?75.50.152.47 (talk) 17:36, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

The list of notable afro-Asians has been put back, however I am forced to inquire who Kristina Alcena is and why she is notable. Light theworld (talk) 23:44, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, I've noticed there was no list for Afro-Asians. Maybe someone can create another one?207.62.190.7 (talk) 00:56, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

The list of notable Afro-Asians also contains names of people whom are not even Afro-Asians. Just because they look part Asian does not mean they are. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.83.52.198 (talk) 14:20, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

Please indicated which people don't belong on the list Bab-a-lot (talk) 17:02, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia does not know what notability is. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.3.154.230 (talk) 17:49, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

Indigenous Afro Asians

There's a lot of information missing from this article over the indigenous Afro Asians in the Phillipines, Thailand, and other asiatic areas. Areas like Aeta and Ati have Negritos who are, by term, Afro Asian. I may do some research and enter it myself soon. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Americanbeauty415 (talk • contribs) 04:45, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Return to Afro-Asian

user Mayumashu has ignored previously determined consensus with his move to Blasian - previously a redirect. While wikipedia encourages WP:BOLD editing, consensus should still be considered, and bold editors should not be put off if their edits are reverted.

Afro-asian is a more universal, academic, and appropriate term to be used in an encyclopedic context. No verifiable/reliable sources have been used to demonstrate use of "Blasian" beyond certain sections of western culture.

I am taking this to WP:Requested Moves, linking to this discussion. Feel free to appropriately discuss opinions on moving it back to Afro-Asian.--ZayZayEM (talk) 23:56, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

I agree that it should be moved back to Afro-Asian. Kman543210 (talk) 03:11, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Agree move back to Afro-Asian. The term is not known outside North America and is a colloquial term. Kransky (talk) 10:16, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

yes i agree also back to afro asian, blasian is a slangy hip hop western culture term, afro asian is more encylopedic and more universial to people all over the world and is easier to understand contrary to what the editor stateted that blasian is more reconizable in his or her reasoning which seems more pov than anything--Wikiscribe (talk) 19:01, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

The issue isn't even worth discussing - just move it back to Afro-Asian already! Roger (talk) 19:54, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Inclusion of Groups in South Africa, and the Native-African-American group, non-Siddi Afro-Asian bloodline in India

Just wondering if the Cape Coloureds of South Africa should have a section since the tri-racial group is part Bantu, Khoisan, and Chinese (European as well). I think they are unique considering the combination of the Khoisan and Chinese bloodlines.

Also, would African Americans of Native American descent fall within this scope, at least the identified Black Indian tribal groups, since Native Americans and Asians stem from the same Mongoloid/Asian genetic roots?

And what about the argument concerning old world Afro-Asian bloodlines and the new world mixtures. Could there be a section about that, would that properly fit into the scope of this article?

Could this article also explore the non-Siddi Afro-Asian genetic influence in South India, especially in Kerala, and part of the identity of the people there that falls outside of the scope of Indian national identity.

Also, the Zulu tribe could be mention considering the history of the people included the genetic fusion of two major Bantu and Khoisan groups. The indigenous population in Namibia could also be mentions.

Khoisans should be included in the section regarding Africa.

Bab-a-lot (talk) 12:18, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

You are a bit mistaken regarding the ethnic origin of the Cape Coloureds. They are not at all decended from Chinese. Chinese immigration to South Africa happened several centuries after the Cape Coloured were already an established population. Furthermore the Chinese almost all went to the Transvaal and not the Cape. Their Asian ancestors were Malay. The Bantu contribution is also very small. A significant proportion of the Cape Coloured population are Muslim due to their Malay heritage. Roger (talk) 15:35, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Ok, I see. I read about the group last year on a site that indicated they had Chinese heritage, but looking at the current version of the wiki article for that group, I see where the Malay heritage is indicated. There is also a website dedicated to the genealogical DNA testing for this group - http://www.capecoloureddnaproject.com/. So, should they be included in this article? Bab-a-lot (talk) 13:54, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

"Also, would African Americans of Native American descent fall within this scope, at least the identified Black Indian tribal groups, since Native Americans and Asians stem from the same Mongoloid/Asian genetic roots?"

In response to User:Bab-a-lot, I think that this would be akin to saying to saying this Afro-Asian article should not exist because Asians are really Africans, having originated in the blacks of Africa, rather than being a real race. Whereas there is debate over Native Americans stemming from East Asians or a lineage that started in Central Asia, there is no debate as to whether or not Asians descend from black Africans. Asians and Native Americans are officially considered separate races by the team of physical anthropologists, one of whom I met personally, who defined race for the 2000 US Census. I suggest you take up your argument to the Native American article, because the definition of the Asian or Native American races is only tangentially related to this article.----^DarkTea© 00:56, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

I'm not, at all, debating the existence of this article. I was just asking if it should as I know that official rulings of racial categories are constantly being debated and seem to change as well. Also, both Asians and Indigenous Americans are considered as being part of the Mongoloid race. That is why I asked. Bab-a-lot (talk) 13:52, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

When anthropologists came to the New World they classified Native Americans into pre-existing European subracial archetypes. I remember an article somewhere on the internet where they saw Alpinoid and other "-oids" in very degrees present in Native Americans. Native Americans of the contiguous United States have a cranial morphology that most closely matches Northern Europeans of all other world populations, according to a cranial morphology paper I read once. To anthropologists who put a primacy on genetics, native Americans are usually considered a unique group. It's primarily typologists who believe that race means phenotype who like to argue that Native Americans and East Asians are the same race.----^DarkTea© 18:04, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

i would not say east asians and native peoples of americas are the same race but i would say that they are closely related to central and east asians--Wikiscribe (talk) 18:15, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

thank you Bab-a-lot (talk) 01:47, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

MADAGASCAR

Madagascar as a whole is an Afro-Asian nation with a Melanesian population similar to Indonesia or the Philipines mixed with black Africans after thousands of years. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.35.183.222 (talk) 19:53, 8 September 2008 (UTC) Just watch Rajoelina, the present Prime Minister of Madagascar, who looks very Malay. Malgasies speak a Malay language and the overwhelming majority of the population is Afro-Asian. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.32.120.9 (talk) 03:22, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

title and UK

afro-asian? hmmm in the UK asian generally means indian, pakistan and that sort of area (not 100% PC i know but i'm not sure what the proper term is, sorry). So this obviously presents problems for this article particularly with the UK section.

Infobox picture - why no Tiger Woods?

The current picture in the infobox is of Tyson Beckford & Ne-Yo; both are Afro-Asian, but not properly half black and half Asian. Tiger Woods, however, is arguably the most famous Afro-Asian AND is actually half-black and half-Asian. I feel therefore that his picture should be included in the infobox. GiantSnowman 18:23, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Removal of redlinks

The problem with these redlinked "articles" is that they don't exist, and that therefore the people noted could be anything--including non-existent in the first place. Worse, in a way they are WP:BLP violations: look at Earl Chin for instance, a person on whom WP might have an article, but here are the results of a Google News search, and I don't see (at least not immediately) evidence that Earl Chin is Afro-Asian. And who is Chris Vann? A college b-ball player from the 1990s, a yachtsman from the 1980s, or the "wildlife technician at the state Department of Environmental Protection"? I don't doubt the black-Korean heritage of Tony Rutland, but let's play safe, since these are BLPs. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 21:09, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

additional photos.

when a better picture is available, I propose adding one of Jero--69.248.225.198 (talk) 02:55, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

Further improvements

A few contributors have been working to improve this article. I've tried to include ancient Afro-Asian groups. Albeit, the disposition of being black and/or African differs for each group which, perhaps, should be further expounded upon.

I will be proving further citations as well as looking into information about African and Asian relations, and possible resulting posterity, prior to 20th century. Africans and Asians have, anciently, had trade relations. I also hope to look into close linguistic similarities between Asian languages and some African dialects and if this might be an indicator of some ancient Afro-Asian populations in either Africa or Asia. Some of the words in these languages/dialects even translate in the similar, or identical, meanings across the continents.

I've also added the image of Jero per the above request, and hope to mention just a few (1-3) notables in each subgroup section where no notables are currently mentioned (and not just those in the entertainment industry).

I also think an image of people from each subgroup currently not illustrated would help enhance the article.

Also, I wondering if the section on the United States of America could be further expanded by addressing Afro-Asian history per state. I get the impression that there is history, unique to each state and/or region, regarding the emergence of Afro-Asian lineages.

The introduction to the article needs to be developed, and the intro gallery could better represent the regional, historical, continental and phenotype diversity among Afro-Asians.

I like the fact that the article has evolved away from a page that mainly focused on the Afro-Asian populations of the Americas, and those in American media.

What do you think will help make this article better? Bab-a-lot (talk) 19:51, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

Figures for population mapping

Anyone have any suggestions on where to find figures for global population mapping? Bab-a-lot (talk) 20:13, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

Should this article be re-organized to separate the histories of old world Afro-Asians and new world Afro Asians?

I'm noticing a lot of diversity within the group that should be addressed specifically and in more detail. Would reorganizing the article in this way help? Bab-a-lot (talk) 20:42, 5 August 2012 (UTC)