Talk:African Pygmies

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Undoing what seems to be vandalism

I have just undone what seems to be vandalism, that was not argued for nor talked about here. Could someone review those reverts and take the correct course of action if necessary, documenting why?

Mention in Herodotus' History

Hey everyone,

I noticed that there is a mention of a Pygmy people in Book 2 of Herodotus' History. He describes a story about a group of Nasamonians (an ancient North African Berber people) who crossed the Sahara and encountered short, dark-skinned people. I'll quote the relevant passage here:

"After journeying for many days over a wide extent of sand, they came at last to a plain where they observed trees growing; approaching them, and seeing fruit on them, they proceeded to gather it. While they were thus engaged, there came upon them some dwarfish men, under the middle height, who seized them and carried them off. The Nasamonians could not understand a word of their language, nor had they any acquaintance with the language of the Nasamonians. They were led across extensive marshes, and finally came to a town, where all the men were of the height of their conductors, and black-complexioned. A great river flowed by the town, running from west to east, and containing crocodiles."

I'd like to mention this in one of the articles about pygmies, either African Pygmies, Pygmy peoples or Pygmy (Greek mythology), but I'm not sure where and how to add it.

Any suggestions? — Zofthej (talk) 14:40, 3 February 2020 (UTC)

An even earlier mention is in a surviving letter written by the 6th dynasty Pharoah Pepi II Neferkare, who calls for a Pygmy captured in Nubia to be sent to him. This indicates not only that their homeland extended further to the north than at present, but that whatever genetic evolution that led to their current height happened no more recently than 4000 years ago. (And this mention should be included in this article: the Pygmies are an ancient race.) -- llywrch (talk) 23:37, 21 November 2022 (UTC)

"whatever genetic evolution that led to their current height happened no more recently than 4000 years ago."

Their height is the height of Homo Sapiens. There is no pygmy gene. The ancient Hunter Gatherers looked like the Bushmen or Khoesan, the Pygmies or Baka, Mbuti, and the Negritos of Asia, like the Andaman Islanders who left Africa 50,000 to 40,000 years ago, and remained isolated on the Andaman Islands just off Sumatra, for 12,000 years. The Western Hunter Gatherers and Ancient North Eurasians came from the same population as the Eastern Hunter Gatherers/Andaman Islanders.

It are the increased height genes that are the mutations. I think it's ironic or telling that the tallest people in the world are also in the Nile Valley. I think there was an explosion of tall genes in a local population there, which then spread around the world. 2001:1C00:1E20:D900:D108:E292:4ECE:682B (talk) 03:16, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

Ethnic Cleansing Cat

While I understand the rationale there is a problem. Can a people have a cat of Ethnic cleansing? Jews, Kurds, Native Americans, people in Southern Africa have suffered ethnic cleansing but unless it is a situation like Rwanda Genocide or the specifics of the Holocaust in Germany you cannot put it on a ethnic group. The situation must be tagged--not the people/person.

Wrong, tallx s inferior, not better fighterx etc. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sdf132 (talk • contribs) 23:23, 18 September 2019 (UTC)

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"Ancestral relationship with other Africans" The Blench section relies on 20 year-old research and is irrelevant. Genetic research methodology has become dramatically more reliable during the 2 decades since Blench's criticisms. In fact, in the human sciences, 20 year-old opinions should never be relied upon. Ever. This section should simply be removed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:6C40:4A00:1D00:D891:4A9F:DC2F:7D46 (talk) 05:09, 16 March 2018 (UTC)