Talk:Addis Ababa/Archive 1

Archive 1

Name of city

Addis Ababa is an Amharic name of the city. The original name is Finfinne. User:172.162.147.208

This is mentioned in the "History" section. I removed the parentheses. I've also added a bit about the recent decision to move the Oromia capital from Adama back to Addis. -- Gyrofrog (talk) 05:51, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Actually Finfinne was originally a separate city from Addis Abeba (a more correct spelling), but was eventually incorporated by the latter's spread. I can't find a source very quickly, so I might be wrong, though.

Yom 22:23, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

The official spelling of Addis Ababa is actually Addis Ababa, the reference made to the Ethiopian Mapping institute is actually wrong. it should be (sometimes spelled as Addis Abeba unofficially.  ::Nolawip

Are we going to do something about the spelling?::Nolawip

Finfinne is the Oromo name of the locality where the hot "finfinne mineral springs" were located" near the river of the same name. There was no city at this place before Empress Taytu built her house near the springs which she liked to use for therapudic bathing. The city was born on this locality and spread across the entire hilly plateau that included the Kebena, Akaki and Finfinne rivers. Finfinne was the small district around what is know today in Amharic as "Fil woha" or "Boiling Water" district of the capital, extending up to the old Imperial Palace, and down through the National/Jubilee Palace to Maskal Square. Other parts of the modern city of Addis Ababa had other names such as Kolfe, Arada, Kotebe etc. In recent years, Oromos have insisted on refering to the entire city as Finfinne, in recognition of the fact that the city was established in a locality by that name.

Page Move

Yom, in my opinion, you should have sought consensus for such a move. I believe I read on some other page where someone else (Gyrofrog?) was also advising you to seek consensus first. There is a fairly rigid policy on Wikipedia about using the normal English spelling, which is Addis Ababa. I also prefer this spelling. I realise of course that Addis Abeba is a more accurate phonetic representation. One reason many people find it objectionable is because that is the Italian spelling, and the one always seen on Italian maps of Italian East Africa. So I would prefer to see the article returned to Addis Ababa, and you could always follow procedure and put up a "Requested page move", where people have a certain number of days to vote on the issue. With regards, ፈቃደ (ውይይት) 18:32, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

I think it may have been BanyanTree who brought it up. But I'd like to weigh in and suggest that "Addis Ababa", in spite of the inaccuracy, is a better name for this article. I occasionally see "Addis Abeba" in English but FWIW I see the wrong spelling much more often. I think it would have been better to simply explain the spelling issue in the article itself. -- Gyrofrog (talk) 19:21, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

An additional problem is that even official Ethiopian documents in English do not spell the name of this city -- or many Ethiopian place names -- consistently. I have my suspicions why this is so, but for whatever reason this is an important point. -- llywrch 17:07, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

User:Codex Sinaiticus is quite right. Most people avoid using the more phonetically correct form of "Addis Abeba" because it is how the Italians prefered to spell it. Considering that the fascists committed mass murder in the city, it is not suprising that Ethiopians would reject this form and prefer Addis Ababa. Infact most Addis Ababans prefer to contract the name and call it "Addis Aba" (the b is pronounced softly). Sendeq 18:50 May 4, 2006

Recent additions

Feqade (Codex) recently reverted the edits of User:Classof2006smr, but I'm not sure we should revert them wholesale. The only nonsense seems to be his claim that Haile Selassie was a Rastafarian; while there's a lot of irrelavant information in there (often times more appropriate for the Italian East Africa article or History of Ethiopia), there's plenty of information that can and should be incorporated (provided we can specifcally find the sources he uses, aside from just putting "United Nations." The urbanization and population growth was taken from here. The Climate info comes from the FDRE (which we're already using), while the Topography comes from here, which is a subsection of the Library of Congress's country study on Ethiopia (so reliable). The University info (as well as the irrelevant Primary & Secondary schools) seems to come from Wikipedia articles on the subject (as does the Merkato info); the Dembel City center info comes from an Addis Tribune article, which is a reliable newspaper.

I think we should examine more of the additions, affirm that they are germane and correct, and slowly incorporate them.

Yom 19:47, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Article Expansion

It is time for this article to be expanded. I want to start by adding the information (in a more presentable form and not all at once) from my earlier update. Feel free to critque it in any way productive way you feel, but remember that this article needs more information.

Classof2006smr 19:45, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

That's fine. Most of your information was good, but it also had many errors (such as stating that Haile Selassie was Rastafarian). It would be best to add them one at a time per section with copy-editing of the earlier addition, rather than replacing large sections of texts. — ዮም | (Yom) | Talk • contribs • Ethiopia 19:51, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

Of course. My first post was merely an amateur test of adding to this page. Although I still can be considered a beginner in regards to making or editing articles, I think that with some effort it shouldn't be too hard. I will be sure to add to the article piece by piece. Classof2006smr 06:32, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

I do dispute most of the facts in this article, but I am a Novice in wiki, how do I make edits to the article! meaning is there information on disputing facts? etc Nolawip —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nolawip (talk • contribs) 15:33, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

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Economy?

Economy section is all wrong. Farming is done outside of the city. The customers live in the city. The section needs to be changed. --McTrixie 11:39, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

The government has long encouraged, for example, milk production INSIDE A.A.town. There are currently an estimated 180,000 litres of milk produced in town, far more than the whole town belt, of say 50 kms beyond Debre Zeyt. It will change in a future, Addis is still, rather incredibly, a very significant food producing area! --Marcoetio (talk) 21:28, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

Government

The Government section should really be about the structure and nature of Addis's city council, etc. Currently it's a short article about former mayor, Arkebe Oqubay. Is he maybe worthy of his own Wikipedia entry too? Dancarney 13:29, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Yes, he does, he was its mayor for a while, as well as a senior member of the TPLF. He did originally have his own article, but because it remained a stub for a long time, it was deleted and the information merged into this article. — ዮም | (Yom) | Talk • contribs • Ethiopia 23:37, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Looking good. Thanks for those who made the change on the Spelling. ::Nolawip —Preceding comment was added at 22:14, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Is this now out of date? The current Mayor of Addis is Kuma Demekissa. Addis Ababa, May 20, 2008 (Addis Ababa) - Inaugural conference of the Addis Ababa City Administrative Council on Tuesday elected Kuma Demekissa as Mayor, and Kefiyalew Azeze as Deputy Mayor of the metropolis.

See Ethiopian News Agnecy for further info: http://www.ena.gov.et/EnglishNews/2008/May/20May08/58205.htm This also needs to be updated in the box on the right hand side. Flipflops800 (talk) 14:49, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Addis abeba is the most beautifull city on the world! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.34.237.77 (talk) 20:26, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Lideta

Judging from Google maps (for example, embedded in this web page), Lideta Airport is no longer a functioning airport. In the satellite photo it appears that a lot of vehicles are being stored there, and that part of the runway has been torn up. I can't find anything that actually says it's closed, though. -- Gyrofrog (talk) 00:45, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Heigh of the city

Please stop speculating with being the first 2nd, 3rd, or whatever city in the world, just put the right the real number and that's it, because, La Paz, Quito, and Bogotá, are higher than Addis Ababa, so I will remove the Xrd highest. That's all.190.139.209.93 (talk) 02:08, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

Coordinate error

The coordinates need the following fixes:

• I'm trying to focus the Addis Ababa coordinates. When I click on the globe there are two locations labeled "Addis Ababa" on the map. The coordinates can't be nailed down until this is fixed. Thank you very much!
  

 —  Paine's Climax  22:05, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

The coordinates have been focused on the southernmost position that is labeled "Addis Ababa". That's the correct position. The second and northernmost position that is labeled "Addis Ababa" must be removed from the map. Thank you!

 —  Paine's Climax  04:33, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

Hm...was there at one point 2 different coordinates for the city? The only thing I can think of is that the map is old by several days/weeks/months depending on when there were two sets of coordinates. I don't know. Spencer^{T♦Nominate!} 19:08, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

Maybe so, Spencer, I wish I had a clue. However, I believe I have found the experts, and they are working on it. Take a look at this discussion and especially this talk with "Colossus", who apparently can make direct changes to the toolserver maps. Thank you very much for taking an interest!

 —  Paine's Climax  19:08, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

Addis Ababa in the art

Offering a theme about Аddys-Аbeba in the art! So I want to suggest to add translation of verses of the Great Russian poet Nikolay Gumilyov(the Russian officer volunteer of times of Menelek II). Addis Ababa is the city of roses, to shores of the clean brooks, Celestial Jean brought you, Diamond among cheerless canyons.

Armide's garden where pilgrim, So keeps the vow of mysterious love, All we admire before him! There aroma of red roses.

There get to the soul somebody's look, Complete sweet of charms, In gardens of highest sycamores, and shady avenues - platanus. Sergeispb-10 (talk) 20:04, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

Population?

This article states 2,757,729 and "four million" as the population of Addis Ababa. Which is correct?  :: Salvo (talk) 12:37, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

I did a pupil's exercise, and counted an average of 40- 50 roofs per hectare from google Earth, over some seven hectares identified using the ruler provided by the same programme. I evaluated my own way the town covered area, at the densities I see clearly form the satellite photoes in high definition, at a radius of around 7kms. Putting the logic number anyone living here knows of at least seven people living under a roof, plus one or two servants per household, six to seven millions makes sense, definitely no less. The reasons for diminishing the number of Addis Ababa residents are too sensitive to comment on. Salvo, a lot more than four millions, you can be assured! Let me try to be as clear as I may without soliciting unwanted attention from local authorities. See Kabul, supposedly contesting Addis the position of the bigget capital of a landlocked Country, via google earth: its two lobes can easily be inscribed in... roughly half of Addis!!! Either Karzhai needed a huge population in his capital for potential vote count reasons, or, as Addis was largely a political problem to the ruling party in 2007, numbers have been largely downplayed for the Ethiopian capital case. Again, as a very coarse estimation tool, supposing Kabul is actually populated by around 3 million people, area confrontation presuming similar densities brings to an estimate of around seven million for Addis Ababa. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.55.72.14 (talk) 05:11, 14 July 2012 (UTC) --Marcoetio (talk) 21:34, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

Notable people

What's the scope of the list in the "Notable people" section? Is it notable people actually born in the city? Or is it notable people who have lived in the city? If it's the latter, we would potentially have an extremely long list. I'd venture to say that most notable Ethiopians have lived in Addis at one time or another. -- Gyrofrog (talk) 15:59, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

Timeline of Addis Ababa

What is missing from the recently created city timeline article? Please add relevant content. Contributions welcome. Thank you. -- M2545 (talk) 15:16, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

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The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Addis Ababa/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.

Rated Start Cite at least 25 sources for article facts. Particularly population and area data. WP:CITE Use properly formatted references. WP:CITET Improve lead section. WP:LEAD Remove wikilink tagging from red/broken wikilinks. Find & place more city images. Please do not use px sizing or left placement for thumbnails. Expand government section and article overall. Create a culture section discussing arts and sports. Alan.ca 14:29, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

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Changes/Add-ons

I added a few things to the article. I expanded on the culture section by talking about the italian influence on the city. I added a crime section and I added a tourism sectionSduroj2 (talk) 16:07, 14 November 2016 (UTC)

Orphaned references in Addis Ababa

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• From Ethiopia: "Country Level". 2007 Population and Housing Census of Ethiopia. CSA. 13 July 2010. Archived from the original on 14 November 2010. Retrieved 18 January 2013. {{cite web}}: Unknown parameter |deadurl= ignored (|url-status= suggested) (help)
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Koshe landfill

I'm looking for the location of the Koshe landfill. Can anyone help with the coordinates? Anna Frodesiak (talk) 02:33, 21 March 2017 (UTC)

Never mind. I think I found it. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 02:37, 21 March 2017 (UTC)

weekend activity

Are you plan to come Addis Abeba for a few weeks or days, you should hangout on some weekend activities with peoples of addis abeba. there are few communities in addis abeba which are meet up and hangout on the weekends they are: hikers they meet up every fifteen days for hike a day trip around and a few kilometer from addis abeba the have Facebook group called the great hikers(Ethiopia), the others are mountain bikers they do bike every weekend into Mount Entoto ,and sometimes semen mountains they have Facebook group called mountain biker Ethiopia ,the other and very interesting community is rock climber they climb amora gedel every weekend ,the community like to share the gears.there are aslo other weekend activity such us HASSh harriers,fit Ethiopia etc — Preceding unsigned comment added by Andunatureeth (talk • contribs) 13:49, 14 April 2017 (UTC)

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Addis Ababa is the capital of Ethiopia

For Landroving Linguist, read in Encyclopedia Britannica and trust it. It says Addis Ababa is the "capital and largest city of Ethiopia". It embrassed me when short description says Addis Ababa is capital of Oromia State, unlike other country do not follow this guideline for short description. The Supermind (talk) 21:39, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

The Supermind, your edit was reverted, because it removed the following sourced statements: 1) Addis Ababa is a chartered city (meaning that it is an own region inside Ethiopia), 2) Addis Ababa is the capital of Oromia Region (you may not be aware of this, as for some time Nazret/Adama was the capital of Oromia, but this was changed a few years ago, as the cited sources state). I'm not adamant that the status for Oromia needs to be reflected in the short description, but you removed it from other parts of the text, too. As for trusting the EB: this is a tertiary source that gets updated only periodically, and therefore more current secondary sources take precedence in Wikipedia, and they are very clear about Addis Ababa's status for Oromia region. As for your future edits on Wikipedia: Generally it is not a good idea to remove sourced statements while letting their sources remain in the article - statements and sources always form a unit. Only remove sourced statements when their sources are not reliable, or when you have more current sources that state something else. You then also need to provide these sources in the text, together with the information that replaces the old information, such as "until May 2021 Addis Ababa has been also the capital of Oromia region, but then the World Government directed by the Supermind decided that this state of affairs is no longer acceptable". Cheers. LandLing 06:55, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

What about in short description? Why might I say Addis Ababa "Capital of Ethiopia"? Look at Eritrea, Sudan, Djibouti, Somalia and Kenya and other Ethiopia like countries. They use their city as representation of country. The Supermind (talk) 08:25, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

Page name to be changed to Finfinne

Let Wikipedia respect the indigenous name Finfinne rather than the one imposed by the coloniser (Addis Ababa).Rastakwere (talk) 13:28, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

Oppose. In its naming conventions, the English-language Wikipedia follows the use of the English language, in which the Oromo selfname of the city is little known. Also I doubt that all or even most of its inhabitants would agree with your assessment of an imposed name. Please leave ethnic-nationalist sentiments away from the Wikipedia pages on Ethiopia, as we have no interest to become the battle-ground of the hot-headed nationalists of each ethnic group - we would have endless edit-wars and administrative sanctions as a result. Landroving Linguist (talk) 13:50, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

Unambiguously oppose. As Landroving Linguist mentioned above, the title Finfinne is limited to Oromo ethnic group. The government of Ethiopia and even universally called Addis Ababa, and your request is "incompatible reason" for Wikipedia guideline using external opinion "imposed by the coloniser (Addis Ababa)". The Supermind (talk) 12:09, 26 July 2021 (UTC)

Should photographs focus on prestige projects?

The photos in the infobox tended to give an impression of a hypermodern town, next to New York only. But this is only a few square kilometers of Addis Ababa. I think photos of a city need to include the "real" city not (only) the prestige projects. Hence I replaced some photos with average urban habitat (not the shanty towns) and a streetscene that is very common in the town. Rastakwere (talk) 13:40, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

"Next to York only"? This image which you have persistently thrown out in an edit-warring manner (EW-warning is out, so that's handled) displays an average urban metropolitan city which are a dime a dozen all over the globe. Adding a more mixed flavor to the gallery with "authentic" street-life is perfectly ok, but obviously, Addis Ababa is multi-faceted. –Austronesier (talk) 12:01, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

Website needed

Can someone find its website please? This one is bad gateway. The Supermind (talk) 17:43, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

Addis Ababa is not direct meqning of Finfine

worng and unverified information Shibeadd (talk) 17:05, 18 July 2022 (UTC)

Addis Ababa is, just that, Addis Ababa

Someone claimed finfinne to be the real name of the capital city of Ethiopia. I would like to kindly remind that person that Addis Ababa never was colonized, in fact, it is quite important to remember that the Oromo people invaded Ethiopia.

Now, today, these people have blended with Ethiopians and are called Ethiopians themselves. However the Oromo people are not indigenous people of Ethiopia, and as such, the name of the capital city is not up for discussion, in fact, even if it was they have absolutely no say in the matter.

It is important to understand that the fact that the Oromo people invaded Ethiopia does not make them less Ethiopian, however the Oromization or Oromumma if you like, is something that the Ethiopian people will not accept, under any circumstances. This person who claimed Addis Ababa to have been colonized and anyone who agrees, should revise some history (and not fabricated lies, propaganda, and fictional stories told by tsegaye ararsa and his likes), it sure will be hard to realize that the Oromo invasion is closer to colonization than whatever lies these people choose to believe.

To a country that has sheltered you, this is not how you pay it forward. So the point here is, as Ethiopians, you get to call Addis Ababa Finfinne in your language, but it is not something that should be changed to Finfinne officially. There are many cities and provinces who unfortunately did not get to keep their original names due to the Oromo invasion, without taking pride in the horrific ways that it went about, these changes should have the Oromo people feeling content as of today. If anything, the name of the capital should be changed to Berera, or Addis Abeba.

If you can, be Ethiopians. It might not be an easy task with a heart full of such hatred, but give it a try. Respect is earned, so respect the names and the other languages apart from your own, not everything revolves around you. You created a problem, meaning you can solve it too. The current blame game will not lead you anywhere, as it is not based on facts. May God lead you on to the right path! 83.185.40.88 (talk) 06:45, 18 November 2021 (UTC)

Absolutely right!!! This Wikipedia page is political propaganda. Nothing else. Mihos11 (talk) 22:30, 18 July 2022 (UTC)

I would have thought that Amharic was the original language of Ethiopia, of the Ethiopian Release and elite. As far as i know, the Oromo are not even Ethiopian-orthodox. --Universal-Interessierter^de (talk (de)) 21:16, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

amanur mohamad

amanur mohamad abdllee +251961269184 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 196.190.61.194 (talk) 20:47, 31 March 2023 (UTC)