Talk:Adam Monroe

Teleportation/Time Travel?

Could he have done this with Peter? That would explain him having age, but being the same age in the modern day, and back then. It would put an end to the belief of him being born in the 1500s (I saw someone say it earlier) Anow2 04:14, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

I think he is more like Wolverine were he ages very very slowly. Joeking16 (talk) 12:57, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

as it says already in the aritcle, which was Said by Angella Petrelli, his aging has haulted. his cells age, die and are reborn at the exact same rate. It is impossible for him to age. He DOES NOT age slowly, he DOES NOT age at all. topic done. Hahen Bougetsu (talk) 22:40, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Powers don't always start manifesting at the same age, Micah Sanders' powers started manifesting around the age of ten, while Matt Parkman's powers didn't start manifesting until around the age of 40 (assuming he's roughly the same age as his actor), Adam could've reached his current physical age before he gained his powers, or his aging could've gradually slowed to a halt before he met Angela. -- Gordon Ecker (talk) 10:19, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

Angela said that the use of his abilities over and over again is what caused the cells to stop growing old. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 187.65.95.127 (talk) 21:33, 12 September 2020 (UTC)

Related to Claire

Could he not possibly be the father of Peter and Nathan thus grandfather to Claire? Seems to fit with he being one of the founders of the company and being dead (= locked away) for thirty years or so.. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.11.246.237 (talk) 12:27, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

To me i think Takezo is related to Claire bennet. Maybe cause they have the same power and they kinda look the same.. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.7.70.73 (talk) 10:10, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

I was just thinking the same thing, as it was just revealed that Matt has the same power as his father, that may be significant. Wererat42 17:50, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

I was considering it, but Nathan doesn't have the same ability as Claire, and neither does her mother. It may be possible since he seems to not age that somewhere they are related, but there is no evidence yet NIKKKIN 14:46, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

It has been revealed in an interview with the writers that they decided not to restrict powers like this. In fact the example he gives is Claire something slong the lines of "Flight + Fire = Healing... no we're not passing powers down through the family." Padillah 15:55, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

And besides, West and Nathan Petrelli have similar abilities, but I really don't think they are related somehow, otherwise that would be... not right... Valens Impérial Császár 93 23:42, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

However, Micah is a technopath and his powers have nothing to do with DL's phasing through walls or Nikki's multiple personality/strength thing. Feedback ^☎ 01:13, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

But, when Claire is given to the Bennets, doesn't Hiro's dad say something about she being his son, possibly referring to Adam? I mean, although not everyone gets their parents powers, its obvious that Parkman got his from his dad. Anow2 04:07, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

People, don't forget that Wikipedia isn't a fan forum. ShellSchocker 03:31, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

The writers themselves said that what power they get has nothing to do with family, only whether or not you have a power. And shellschocker is right, this is no place to be making stuff up.Akuzio (talk) 10:33, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Takezo Kensei or Takezo Kensai

This article was created in relation to an episode of Heroes which referenced an ancient samurai named Takezo. However the episode in question used both the Kensei and Kensai spelling, a possible production error. Miyamoto Musashi seems to be the best redirect as he is known as 'Takezo Kensai'. --Paultran 02:29, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

The Heroes character is fictional; Miyamoto Musashi was real. It is unclear (during my writing of this) whether the Heroes character is intended as a reference to Musashi. Even though it "seems" possible, it has not been confirmed by anyone responsible for the show. At any rate, Musashi has not been known to possess any sort of "magical" sword with an "RNA" symbol. Until credible sources have been found, Takezo Kensei should be treated as fictional and unrelated to Musashi. --Diluvial 23:54, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Immortality?

Has the immortality been confirmed? I don't know why that's listed as his power. Sivak 21:00, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

That's what it appears to be. In "Lizards," judging from what the character said after being struck by arrows, he has many lives, or is possible immortal. 71.185.50.188 02:45, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

based on the amount he bled out. it looks like hiro reversed time with his power to save him. as opposed to him healing. which as we know with claire is a much faster process. 74.104.90.230 20:48, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

No, he healed himself.Ophois 01:58, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

He healed himself, which then proves that he possesses the same ability as Claire - spontaneous regeneration. Wikiburger 19:26, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

Regardless, his power needs to be verified by a reliable source. The current speculation about the limitations of his powers is original research. --Madchester 02:13, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

I've been looking and I can't find this NBC claim that he's immortal. I keep hearing mention of someone named "Kane" being immortal, but him being Kensei is apparently just speculation. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 06:28, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

In some of the promotional stuff for this season it actually says that he has been alive for a long time, I think we are going to find out that he's actually been alive a LONG time. I will have to find the referenceJjkayes 18:57, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Links about his longevity here:

• E! Online October 9
• E! Online June 19

--Madchester 03:02, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

The immortality has been revealed as spoilers on various forums. Alledgedly, Kenzei lives on to the present with the current alias of Adam Monroe. I couldnt find anything concrete from official sources. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.110.84.99 (talk) 13:43, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Since the power of immortality has yet to be confirmed by reliable sources, I suggest that, for now, the article states that Kensei's power is spontaneous regeneration akin to that of Claire. ~ Homologeo 13:54, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

According to Bob, Adam (a.k.a. Kensei) caused snow to fall in Miami and thinks of himself as God. Either Kensei lied when he called himself Adam at the end of 'Out of Time', or his powers are beyond anything we've seen before. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.65.25.27 (talk) 01:33, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

OK so the man is still alive in present day. Does this mean he is immortal, or found some way to time travel? --Bluorangefyre 03:14, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

While immortality is extreme likely, it has yet to be verified and therefore cannot be placed in Wikipedia. During the scene where Bob shows the headline in Miami, the statement seemed to refer to the whole company and not just Adam himself. As some have speculated it is possible that Adam Monroe may have other abilities, he could have been a Sylar before Sylar was around, but this is all speculation at this point and Speculation and spoilers cannot be put in WP.--Vg0131 16:51, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

--To add to this I don't think he maybe a Sylar before Sylar... but instead someone more so like Peter who can "absorb" powers. (arlodetl)

There's also the question of true immortality. Is his power regeneration, like Claire, or is it true immortality - he can't die, no matter what. We have to see if anything shows us evidence of the latter. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Padillah (talk • contribs) 19:12, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

"It is also beleived that he has a version of Peter Petrelli's power, Power Mimicry. His healing power's wherebouts are unknown, but he could have absorbed Hiro's power of Manipulation of the Space Time Continuum to go into the future."--Is there any evidence (other than Bob's statement) that he has any power other than healing? As near as I can tell he went into the future the same way any of us do, by living through the time in-between. I've yet to see him exhibit any other powers.--Syd Henderson 02:35, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

That part should be removed, as it's just speculation. I'd do it myself but I've already reverted this article 3 times today. Josh (talk | contribs) 02:38, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

If he had such powers, then why would he voluntarily remain in the company's lock up for 30 years? He needed Petrelli to get him out.Mmm commentaries (talk) 00:12, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Molly

Has it been confirmed that he is the one that Molly can not find because he would kill her? I remember hearing an official report that he can also control insects and that he is the one who haunts Molly's dreams. 76.116.109.221 13:14, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

im gonna say that if you dont watch the show. wont do good commenting about it. since takezo kensei and molly are in different timelines. 74.104.90.230 20:50, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Seeing as Kensei is immortal, he'll probably show up in the present.Ophois 01:57, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Kensei being immortal is dubious. It seems to be more likely to be spontaneous regeneration, a la Claire (and now we know duplicate powers is acceptable). Also, where was this so-called official report? The claims on W*P need to verifiable. 24.125.39.99 04:48, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

Well I think this person is talknig about Kane, the supposed new villain in season two.Painfoot 01:04, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Immortality may not be his specific power - we die because cells degenerate and die. If he (and Claire) can regenerate any injured or dead part of his body, in theory, he should not age. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.79.11.145 (talk) 05:12, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Soo... how did they age in the first place? production flaw? or its evidence that their powers don't come out until maturity? Anow2 04:11, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Aging isn't necessarily the same as dying. It's possible that they just grow until their peak physical form, and then never age. 68.6.107.230 01:48, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Good point "68.6.107.230" - Cells continue to grow, age, and die after a person dies. Infact, you're Finger Nails, and Hair continues to grow after you die. Although, I think we can now end this discussion since we know Adam has infact survived to present day. Baaleos (talk) 09:57, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Mr. Claremont

Is it just me, or does Kensei bear a resemblance to the character of Mr. Claremont, who owned the sword repair shop in "Landslide"? It would make sense that Kensei and Claremont are the same person, given that Kensei is effectively immortal, and that Claremont had the banner of Takezo Kensei up in his shop. Also, Claremont seemed to have an emotional attachment to the Kensei sword when he saw that it had been snapped, implying that he may have once owned it. - PeeJay 22:35, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Claremont is played by Bart McCarthy, not David Anders, who plays Takezo. Even if they are the same characters but two different actors, Anders was cast much later on in the series and McArthur is so much older than Anders... So their "resemblance" is kind of irrelevant. My guess is that the sword maker works for "the Company" (hence the helix), and he knows about Takezo Kensei because, again, he is part of "the Company". Plus he is a sword maker, sword makers are sad at the sight of broken thousand year old samurai swords. (Specialk22 15:13, 14 October 2007 (UTC))

Or maybe they cast Anders because he looked like the guy who played Claremont. I just don't think it would be that much of a surprise if Kensei and Claremont ended up being the same person. - PeeJay 15:29, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

I just finished re-watching the first season, and I must say I made the same exact connection between Kensei and Claremont. With current events taking place in the second season, it is likely that Kaito Nakamura knew one of his family line would travel back in time to shape the destiny of Takezo Kensei. And made an effort to find Claremont. Just look how Kaito reacted to Hiro's disappearance. It's as if he knew what was going to happen with Hiro traveling back in time.... Re-watch the episode "Landslide", Claremont has an obvious look of disdain for Hiro. Perhaps from a rocky past.... Just my thoughts on all of this. There really isn't any proof that I've found or heard of. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.254.58.210 (talk) 16:16, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

Age

On the Post Show, they talked about how Takezo was born in the 1580's, and he meets Hiro in 1671. He does not look 90 years old. I can't find an article about the birthyear but I have seen it, but this does show he is immortal, or at least has eternal youth. BioYu-Gi! 19:24, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

   I agree, he didn't know about his regenerative abilities until Hiro showed him, and he might have
    twigged if he still looked about 30 after 90 years. 
     TheFishMan92 (talk) 19:12, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Suggest changing name of article

Because the show has now solidified itself once again in the present (as Hiro is back) and we know Kensei to be Adam Monroe (even if it's a moniker, it's still his title. Takezo wasn't his name either.) should we not update this to a more present form of his name? This IS what we will be calling him in future episodes, after all. 74.12.13.224 03:06, 6 November 2007 (UTC) Joe Caron

The current redirect seems fine (if a bit spoilery for somew viewers). The character is nothing but adopted names, and the first one we know him by is Kensei. He started as a feudal warrior, and only ended up as Adam Munroe chronologically later. Kensei is the basis, Adam is who he becomes. It's just a necessary part of understanding the character to know him by several aliases. Cybertooth85 03:09, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

The fact that he now goes by the name Adam Monroe is relevant to the plot, and is NOT a spoiler at this point. Saying that last week might make you right, but as the show goes, such is not the case anymore. While I agree that origins are important to consider in this case, it would be more-encyclopedia like to present the information as up to date. That is, his origin would be that of time when he was Takezo Kensei, whereas now we're focusing on the present. If this encyclopedia is supposed to be up to date, that would reflect the "present time" Adam Monroe character much clearer, since there are no spoilers. 74.12.13.224 03:06, 6 November 2007 (UTC) Joe Caron

I think that maybe it should be changed because it is his current name and that is probably how he will be referred to considering the only one who knows him as Kensei is Hiro. --Crazy4metallica 03:17, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

It is also extremely palpable that Adam Monroe is the orignally British chracter's name and Takezo Kensei was a name he developed for himself when he came to Japan. It is clear that Hiro turned out to be his own hero, Kensei. I find it extremely unlikely that his birth name was Kensei, being as he speaks English as his primary language, a pretty clear indication that he was not completely raised in Japan or of Japanese guardians.--68.44.156.72 03:26, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

There's also the fact that he said he came up with the name Kensei, because it means "Sword Saint", and not many people would mess with a guy called that. I'd guess Adam Monroe is simply his real name. WtW-Suzaku 03:40, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Besides, we're done with feudal Japan... from here on in the character will be known as Adam Monroe. Ultimately we'll end up with only a few episodes where the character is known as Kensei, and like, at least a season with him being known as Adam Monroe. It's like if Noah's character page was listed as "Horn-Rimmed Glasses" still. --63.139.170.32 06:33, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Done - it's now at Adam Monroe (Heroes character). (While Monroe could of course turn out to be a pseudonym as well, Kensei has never been presented as the character's real name.) --Ckatz^chat_spy 08:27, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks guy, you've made me happy. 74.12.13.224 12:39, 6 November 2007 (UTC) Joe Caron

Wouldn't it be easier to just have it as "Adam Monroe"? As far as I know, parentheses are only to be used to seperate it from another article, and there is no other article called "Adam Monroe". --The monkeyhate 15:28, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Real Motive

Anyone else think his real motive is to get revenge on Hiro and taking down the company is only a side motive?--71.181.148.45 03:20, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Yes, but Wikipedia is not for speculation, and that is what the word "Think" implies. Nor is it a discussion forum.71.33.74.41 04:10, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

I have to wonder what his Kensei/Monroe's motives were when he was working with Hiro's father. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.219.71.160 (talk) 04:22, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Yes, that is extremely interesting and something I would love to know, but as the others have said, it cannot be proven and as such should not be stated in WP... yet.--Vg0131 16:47, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Name

Shouldn['t we call him Adam Monroe since thats the name he's going by and put in the article he used to go be Kensi, It will be like SylarRREDD13 17:36, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Sylar is being called Gabriel again. Feedback ^☎ 03:15, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Should we include "Richard Sanders" as part of the Takezo/Adam line, or just a mention in the article? For those who didn't know, Richard Sanders is a name Adam mentions in the new graphic novel as one he's taken. QuasiAbstract (talk) 22:21, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Powers and Abilities

Should we change it to mimicry now?

- According to Bob, "People with his power tend to think of themselves as gods". I don't think Claire is THAT powerful in the first place, not enough to be referred to as a 'god' anyway. This doesn't seem to refer to healing.
- He froze a tsunami, converting it into a snow shower. Healing doesn't do this.

The main argument, i think, is basically point 2. And the fact that he stayed with the company as one of them, should put him as a mimic, not as a Sylar (Brain devourer).

I think he's a mimic, what do you guys think.

The fact is no matter what anyone believes we cannot cite it in Wikipedia unless you have concrete proof. I understand this is very interesting, but this discussion should be kept to a fan forum until we have some debatable proof. I'v ealso posted this before on this page, but Bob makes absolutely no specific referance that Adam himself stopped the tsunami. He seemed to be refering more to the company. All I know is if I was an immortal capable of healing and impossible to kill, I would think of myself as a God, too.--Vg0131 14:44, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Mimicry seems to be a particularly relevant conjecture, seeing as he manifested no apparent powers before meeting Hiro. This would also imply that Hiro has the power of spontaneous regeneration, something which has yet to be illustrated (or disproven). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.135.173.123 (talk) 00:56, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Unless it's Sylar-like mimicry, which 400 years of life would probably give him the know-how to duplicate, he probably isn't a mimic. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 05:35, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

I believe his power "evolved" (like Maury's did). Regeneration is just what you start out with, and then it becomes full blown eternal youth. Still, I know Wikipedia isn't a place for speculation. *sigh* 64.39.133.151 14:07, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

He might not have any other powers than healing and maybe it's Peter who will drop him in the past. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.8.133.180 (talk) 05:48, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Can anyone actually go find the episode and watch it? I'll watch it for myself later, if I have to do so. I could have sworn, the first time I saw that scene, that Bob's phrasing made it sound like the snow was the _prevention_ of Monroe's schemes. As in, Monroe, either himself or through someone else, was going to wipe out Miami, but The Company stopped it with one of their own people. If I heard correctly, then it sounds to me as if he remains with the one power of regeneration/immortality and the Miami bit was effected through pawns. 199.209.144.224 18:29, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

No one gives the slightest impression that Adam has anything to do with either causing or preventing the Tsunami. Bob shows a paper to Nathan that refers to snow in Miami. Nathan is unimpressed and asks what's the big deal. Bob says "That could just have easily read 'Tsunami wipes out eastern seaboard'." He does not say who stopped it or who caused it or how it was caused or how it was stopped. The only allusion we are left with is that Adam was "in on it". the rest is sound a fury. Padillah 19:10, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Three hundred years or four hundred years

People keep changing the article to say he cofounded the Company roughly 400 years after something that happened in 1671. That means he co-founded the company circa 2071. It was more like 1971. Please stop making this edit. Josh (talk | contribs) 14:46, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

The Creation of Adam

For some odd reason I found my self looking at this artwork several minutes ago, and I noticed that the Adam in the artwork and this Adam have very similar facial features. Also their name has an obvious similarity. Does anyone think that this could be a coincidence? Or somthing important to the story? 71.138.132.0 05:19, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

I agree this is interesting, and it would be something I would like to discuss. But WP is not the place for speculation. This is better suited for a fan forum.Akuzio (talk) 09:46, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Slight Error

The article states Peter gained possession of regenerative abilities from Adam, However he gained them from Claire in season one. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.2.246.49 (talk) 14:13, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

It's fixed now. Josh (talk | contribs) 14:18, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

While this is true, there may be something different between the regenerative ability of Claire and that of Adam. Although the two may seem similar, they may indeed be different. For instance, there is no evidence yet to suggest that Claire will be effectively immortal like Adam. Likewise, Claire's ability seems involuntary, while Adam tells Peter to restore his own memories - this may indicate that the ability that Peter got from Adam is different from what he absorbed from Claire. Maybe Adam and Peter are more capable of controlling their regenerative abilities than Claire. While some of this may be speculation, it is pretty clear from the scene in the warehouse that Adam urges Peter to use the regenerative ability acquired from him to heal his brain, thus restoring his memories. What does everyone else think? Howbeit, if it's not clear where the ability used to restore Peter's memories came from, it's OK to simply not specify the original source. ~ Homologeo 19:20, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

We have gone to great lengths to remove speculation regarding where Peter has gotten each power. The passivity of his power and the abundance of multiple people with the same (or similar) powers has made any attempt to identify his acquisition of powers as speculation at best. It's also not notable, since it doesn't matter where he got the power so long as it's established that he does, in fact, have it. Equally, his degree of proficiency cannot be measured against the original person since proficiency doesn't make a power. Thanks for the thought but it doesn't matter where he got the ability to heal himself, he has it and used it, that's good enough. Padillah 19:31, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Good solid reasoning. Makes sense. ~ Homologeo 19:35, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Takezo Kensei vs. Kensei Takezo

I noticed that the second name, after Adam Monroe, is currently listed as Takezo Kensei, with the Japanese characters and then Japanese-order following it. However, per WP:MJ's naming conventions, for historical or mythological Japanese figures (with "historical" being given as before 1868), the Japanese order is supposed to be used. Since Kensei Takezo only existed in Japan before 1868 (or, at least, that was the highlight of his time there), and Kensei-as-myth is entirely a fuedal-Japan myth, and, while we're at it, for most of season 2, he's been referred to in Japanese by the Japanese name order, I think it should be listed in the article as "Kensei Takezo" first. 141.151.175.123 (talk) 05:48, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

Well, you are going to need to find a source for which is the first name and which is the last, as neither of them have been classified. Feedback ^☎ 05:59, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

Since when Hiro's talking in English, he refers to him as "Takezo Kensei", but when he's talking in Japanese, he uses "Kensei Takezo", I thought it was obvious. 141.151.175.123 (talk) 06:11, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

This is also complicated by the fact that Kensei is not a name but an honorific, much like Christ is for Jesus. Padillah (talk) 18:03, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Old picture

Does anyone still have the old picture of him (as a "samurai")? I think that should go in the "from Hack to Hero" section. Kimera757 (talk) 03:46, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Look in the file history of Image:Takezo_Kensei.jpg. Josh (talk | contribs) 04:08, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

About the coffin

I realize that this isn't a forum, but would Adam's healing powers enable him to survive for an extended period of time in the coffin? You know, without food or water?Leprechaun Gamer 03:13, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

That would violate the second law of thermodynamics, not to mention all of biology, but in a comic book world, poetic justice takes precedent over science.71.137.240.1 06:10, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Actually, I just looked at the "Powerless" page, and apparently Tim Kring has basically confirmed that Adam Monroe would continue to live, making his punishment extremely harsh, or something like that.Leprechaun Gamer (talk) 02:09, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Is he in Kaitos grave?

Did anyone see enough to tell if Adam is in Kaito's grave? I realise how revolting that would be but that never stopped poetic justice (especially in TV). Padillah 14:19, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

No. Kaito's grave has the elaborate head-stone and is next to the wife. He looked to be in a random grave. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 00:11, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Cob?

Kenzei oftens calls Hiro cob. What does cob mean or refer to? Not sure what the nickname means. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Magnum17x (talk • contribs) 06:28, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Would you believe "Carp"? Kensei tells Hiro, early in their meeting, that when he talks he looks like a carp. Since then he has, affectionately at times, called him "Carp". Padillah (talk) 13:48, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Sanders

In the latest graphic novel, Adam mentions he is "Richard Sanders", who is apparently a distant relative of Nikki and Micah. Feedback ^☎ 10:06, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

What is the reference that Richard Sanders is related to Niki and Micah? QuasiAbstract (talk) 14:40, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

I agree with QA, where is it said that Richard Sanders is an ancestor of Niki Sanders? Since this question has been outstanding for two weeks I'm gonna strike the statement from the article. Padillah (talk) 12:51, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Just to expand upon why they don't have to be related. How many people have the surname "Smith" or "Johnson" or "Campbell"? Millions. Doesn't meant they're related. Who has done an internet search of their OWN name, and found that they're a cameraman for some movie, or a teacher at some college? Just because Adam took the name "Richard Sanders" doesn't make him any more related to Niki and Micah than Daniel Linderman being related to Niki. That's a huge assumption to make and doesn't belong on the W. ~QuasiAbstract (talk/contrib) 13:41, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Takezo or Musashi?

I happened to notice the Japanese kanji written here is not what the translation claims. (剣聖 武蔵, Kensei Takezō). The latter Japanese marks transliterate as "Musashi", thus making the proper translation "Kensei Musashi". As I am no expert in Japanese, I'm not sure whether this is incorrect or another quirk of Japanese names. The Musashi -article is referred to in the text but I fail to see the connection here, in these names. Can anybody shed light on this one? RedJimi (talk) 20:04, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

From Miyamoto Musashi: Ultimately the name was taken from his own original kanji, 武蔵, which can be read as Takezo or as Musashi, as stated in Eiji Yoshikawa's book Musashi. - so, yeah, "another quirk of Japanese names", or rather generally of Japanese words written in Kanji, it is. --Random832 (contribs) 20:39, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Why, exactly

Why did he want to release the virus?GorillaGuy2323 (talk) 16:23, 19 April 2008 (UTC)User:GorillaGuy2323

As is stated in the show and the article, he wanted to wipe out humanity so they could start over, or as one character mentions, like God did with the people in Noah's time with the flood. --Mike | Contrib 13:34, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Appearance in season 3 premiere.

Adam appears in the vision in the season 3 premiere, beside the rest of the villains. Should that be mentioned in the main article? Sept 22, 2008. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.36.173.178 (talk) 00:33, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

The article really needs to be updated in the light of recent episodes. Apoyon (talk) 15:42, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Cause of death

IMO there are two likely possibilities.

1. Adam Monroe died of rapid apoptosis after the loss of his regeneration power. The apparent rapid aging / dessication was artistic license.

   It seems not plausible for him to age rapidly after losing regeneration power, because regeneration power simple regenerate tissues, not slows the aging process. He shouldn't have died because of that. He would have aged normaly after losing the power. Second possibility is much more likely.--Fotte (talk) 06:11, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

2. Arthur Petrelli absorbed Adam Monroe's regeneration power and killed him with another power, such as dessication, aging or life absorption.

I don't think the article should endorse either position without more evidence. -- Gordon Ecker (talk) 00:36, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

Well, there's the "two powers" argument, but there's also The Haitian (and Hiro to a certain degree). So I'm inclined to agree that we need to reserve judgment for right now. Padillah (talk) 11:59, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

When I watched the episode where Adam Monroe dies, I was actually under the impression that Arthur Petrelli had the power to kill people like that. Kind of like how Niki Sanders Tracy Strauss throws someone against a wall in one episode, and the guy shatters into pieces. Could that be the reason why? Clem (talk) 02:11, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

I've removed the speculation again. If someone can provide a source such as an interview of DVD commentary track which confirms that his death was a direct result of his power loss, we can cite that source, until then, I think we should just describe the circumstances of his death and let the readers draw their own conclusions. -- Gordon Ecker (talk) 08:26, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

I've reverted it again and added a commented out note. -- Gordon Ecker (talk) 00:59, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

The origins of the name "kensei Takezo

Hello all

I don't really know the ins and outs of altering a wikipedia page so I thought I would make a note here so someone else could do it for me.

Right, the reason for the name Kensei Takezo (剣聖　武蔵）likely is a samurai called Miyamoto Musashi（宮本 武蔵). Reasons being, first, he really was a Kensei (a sword saint). He had significant sword prowess and is likely the most famous samurai in Japan and around the world. Second, the name "Takezo" is an alternative reading of the kanji for "Musashi" (both are 武蔵）

Infact, a novel by Eiji Yoshikawa called "Musashi" actually uses Takezo as Musashi's name in his early life. Names were quite chanageable in Musashi's time.

Miyamoto Musashi's page on wikipedia, so please take a look. For my part, I am reading his book in Japanese so feel I can be fairly confident on the above. If the produces of Heroes did not base him on Musashi then it is a big coincidence.

Hope someone can put this in somewhere.

Thank you

Regards

Ryan

ps Sorry ladies and gents, I only just noticed that a similar point is made above.

 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.55.170.50 (talk) 05:26, 3 November 2008 (UTC) 

Renamed

In the article it says "Takezo Kensei renames himself Adam Monroe". Is there any evidence of this? I would think that since he was English his name was most likely Adam all along. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Geraldpringle (talk • contribs) 07:04, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

There is a good possibility that Adam Monroe name has been influenced by William Adams, who was the first Englishman to reach Japan.

Coyote Sands murders?

When the guard shot Mr. Shaw, it could have been either murder or manslaughter, we don't have enough information to draw a conclusion. After that, the situation quickly turned into a riot. Most of the deaths on both sides during the Coyote Sands riot are probably closer to manslaughter, self-defense or accidents than murder. -- Gordon Ecker (talk) 01:28, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

"non-canon Japan"

What does the phrase mean? Is it that this somehow isn't part of the Heroes canon or does it mean that it is a fictional version of Japan? If that latter then just say fictional Japan as canon refers to a body of work and can't be used in this way. (Emperor (talk) 03:47, 7 December 2011 (UTC))

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