Talk:Acute necrotizing ulcerative gingivitis

Article name

To correspond with the standard of medical articles, we should move this article to the correct name of the disease, "Acute necrotizing ulcerative gingivitis." See The naming issue. - Dozenist talk 00:08, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

I still believe the name of this article should still reflect the official term. - Dozenist talk 02:06, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

I forgot to wholeheartedly agree with this sentiment the last time I was here, so I'm doing it now. Yes, it was called trench mouth in WWI, but nobody has called it that since then. A more apt name nowadays would be - 'smoking mouth' or 'college dorm mouth'. Both obviously sound ridiculous. Therefore I vote for a move for this article and into the 21st century.Dr-G - Illigetimi nil carborundum est. 18:29, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Good...we all agree. I'll make the move. DRosenbach ^{(Talk | Contribs)} 04:08, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Thankya, DRosenbach, for making the move. It was long overdue. - Dozenist talk 01:27, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

I´m not so sure this is the right move. I´ve recently been trawling the Web on this topic as I´m dealing with a case of this myself. It goes by an assortment of names but "Trench Mouth" is invariably cited by most every article regardless of that articles prefered, correct, and accademically souding chosen name... today the term "Trench Mouth" is the most common term for this condition occuring in nearly all articles on this subject.

Common usage counts in language. Everybody has called it Trench Mouth since WWI.

While I´m here I will also note that there is a lot of contradictory material on this condition with, I would suggest an overemphasis on oral hygene. The only commonality I can determine among a wide array of seemingly authorative sources are... An infection of the gums (most cite bacterial, some cite viral), that is aggresive and quite rapidly progressive, that causes shrinkage, necrosis, bleeding and ulceration of the gums... All other assertions seem to be contradicted by equally robust sources.

Serval places in the western world are experiencing outbreaks of what is an easliy and quickly treatable condition... Some university dorms have no notable cases... Some university dorms with comparable levels of oral hygene are rapant with it because (hey!) it´s infectious and lots of students running around kissing each other spread is... but some articles will assert it´s not infectious.

On the articles section for treatment... I´m not sure anybody is going to be givin penecillin for this condition (bringing this into the 21st cent. was mentioned). There´s many similar conditions for which oral hygene and rinses are a suitable remedy. These are conditions that progress slowly... If you have poor gum health (if you are a heavy smoker as I am) you will wonder why your gums are disappearing by the day... My humble suggestion would be to skip the good moral advice on oral hygene and land straight on the "give me a strong modern antibiotic now please"... In my case Ciprofloxacine had arrested the condition within 48 hours, and the gums were mending nicely by the end of a week.

If a doctor suggests a fungal infection there are many modern antibiotics that will be suitable for both fungal infestations and bacterial infections (I believe Ciproflaxacine might be effective for a range of both but a qualified person would need to comment). It may be diagnosed as a fungal infection as it doesn´t present as a regular gum infection... In my case I had to tell the doctor the antibiotic I wanted after a week of swilling yellow antifungal gunk. Yes, I´m aware of how arrogant that sounds and how woefully inadequate self diagnosis can be, but hey, it may have saved my teeth.

If you have healthy gums (my partner does... well, did) then it may progress over several months without it being much noted beyond gradual shrinking and occasional bleeding.

Oh and your partner(s) will need to be treated also or they´ll simply reinfect you.

Others millage may vary. This is all personal opinion and experience, hence it´s on the discussion page where such is appropriate.

I´d suggest the article favour being useful over being modern.

Carnagh (talk) 16:53, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

This disease has been extensively studied, it is not infectious. It may (rarely) occur in "epidemics" but this is probably related to shared predisposing factors in a given population, e.g. malnutrition, stress (e.g. exam time), and not due to inter person spread. The bacteria that cause it are present in most people's mouths in health, they overgrow with e.g. immunosuppression. I feel ANUG is the most notable name. We should use the accepted medical name, and this is not trench mouth...lesion (talk) 20:00, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

WikiProject class rating

This article was automatically assessed because at least one WikiProject had rated the article as stub, and the rating on other projects was brought up to Stub class. BetacommandBot 16:32, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

ICD-9 Code

101 is ICD-9 for Vincent's Angina. Usually Wikipedia is great for looking up ICD-9, this is the first time it's steered me wrong. I don't have the correct ICD-9, unfortunately. 72.45.171.210 (talk) 11:22, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

Vincent's angina is a type of necrotizing tonsillitis, caused by same bacteria as ANUG. I have changed the redirect to reflect this.lesion (talk) 19:53, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

Marilyn Monroe

Only discernible source for this information is from http://www.thehistorybluff.com/ which is a humourist site, and therefore not a reliable source to determine whether she suffered this condition. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.99.53.71 (talk) 17:21, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

Inappropriate redirects to this article? (or rather, too limited scope of this article?)

Currently this article seems to be trying to focus on ANUG. Whilst Necrotizing periodontal diseases, necrotizing ulcerative gingivitis, necrotizing ulcerative periodontitis, are all mentioned and defined (all slightly different by definition to ANUG), these pages all redirect back to this page. A secondary source I am working from discusses how most NUG is technically NUP due to attachment loss. Best way forward? ... Maybe main page called necrotizing periodontal diseases with discussion of different meanings of all these terms, and more specific ANUG page, both linking to each other. lesion (talk) 23:09, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

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