Talk:Achaea (Hellenic Parliament constituency)
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The result of the move request was: not moved. See Talk:Achaea#Requested move. Aervanath (talk) 14:19, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
Achaea (Hellenic Parliament constituency) → Achaia (Hellenic Parliament constituency) – The correct spelling of this article is "Achaia". It is true that Greek ai usually becomes Latin ae, and as the Latin form of words is almost invariably used in English, it is understandable to think that Greek Akhaia would become Latin (and therefore English) *Achaea. However, only Greek diphthong ai becomes Latin ae; in Achaia, the Greek ai represents two separate syllables—that is why it is written with a dieresis (¨) over the iota in Greek: αΐ. This means that in Latin (and therefore English) it is spelled Achaia—which it was: [1][2][3]. Furthermore, the spelling "Achaia" is used in all major translations of the Bible: NIVKJVESVASVNASB. The only reason I have not moved it myself is because of Talk:Achaea. — the Man in Question (in question) 17:16, 2 July 2012 (UTC)
- Comment this is about a modern region of Greece, so whatever the Bible says has no bearing on the modern region of Greece. The Bible hasn't been revised to take into account modern regions since it was codified (for a widespread version of the Bible, it would be the King James Version, for instance) -- 70.49.127.65 (talk) 22:04, 2 July 2012 (UTC)
- Oh, I know the Bible hasn't been modernized in most places (though sometimes in some translations it is, for example use of "Negev"). I was just giving an example of an extremely widely circulated use of the "Achaia" spelling in English. The rationale I have is that "Achaea" is not proper Latin and, therefore, not proper English. — the Man in Question (in question) 07:05, 3 July 2012 (UTC)
- Since this constituency was created after Latin fell out of use, its translation into Latin is not relevant to translating into English. As it was created in 1974, one would expect a direct translation from Greek into English. -- 70.49.127.65 (talk) 04:25, 4 July 2012 (UTC)
- Well, well known places tend to take the Latin forms (compare Sparta, Piraeus) or Anglo-Latinate forms (Athens, Crete), but either way, the transliteration of Greek Αχαΐα directly into English is either Achaia or Akhaia, not Achaea, so your argument would then be in favor of the Achaia spelling over Achaea. — the Man in Question (in question) 08:05, 4 July 2012 (UTC)
- Since this constituency was created after Latin fell out of use, its translation into Latin is not relevant to translating into English. As it was created in 1974, one would expect a direct translation from Greek into English. -- 70.49.127.65 (talk) 04:25, 4 July 2012 (UTC)
- Oh, I know the Bible hasn't been modernized in most places (though sometimes in some translations it is, for example use of "Negev"). I was just giving an example of an extremely widely circulated use of the "Achaia" spelling in English. The rationale I have is that "Achaea" is not proper Latin and, therefore, not proper English. — the Man in Question (in question) 07:05, 3 July 2012 (UTC)
- Weak Support the modern Greek area seems to be spelled as "Achaia", but the nom's rationale is faulty. -- 70.49.127.65 (talk) 22:17, 2 July 2012 (UTC)
- Further comment though it does seem that "Akhaia" is used to strictly refer to the modern region, so perhaps that spelling should be used instead. -- 70.49.127.65 (talk) 02:42, 5 July 2012 (UTC)
- As in the case of Chios, Acharnes, Chalandri, Chania, Chaidari, Polichni, and Cholargos, modern Greek place names with the letter chi are transliterated ch, not kh, by the vast majority of sources, including Wikipedia. — the Man in Question (in question) 07:22, 5 July 2012 (UTC)
- Further comment though it does seem that "Akhaia" is used to strictly refer to the modern region, so perhaps that spelling should be used instead. -- 70.49.127.65 (talk) 02:42, 5 July 2012 (UTC)
- Strong oppose I really don't see the point in the nominator's proposal. The common name for the historical and geographical region is clearly "Achaea", and that is what the constituency has been named after. It is a subset of the main article, which is, rightly so per WP:COMMONNAME, at Achaea. If an educated English-speaker sees "Achaea", he/she may well know what region it refers to, but "Akhaia" or "Achaia" will look comparatively alien. Constantine ✍ 10:28, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
- Weak support because this is about a Greek political entity and the spelling Achaia is used in English by the Greek authorities and the European Union, but a much better solution is to merge into Achaea. There is absolutely no need for separate articles about the electoral aspect of the Greek regions. In addition, we would otherwise have to create many more such superfluous separate articles because many constituencies in the List of parliamentary constituencies of Greece don't have articles yet. In addition, they are currently chaotically placed in two different categories, of which the more complete one is incorrect English: Category:Parliamentary constituencies in Greece should be merged into Category:Parliamentary constituencies of Greece or, better yet, both should be deleted and the articles should be merged into the relevant main articles of these regions. --Espoo (talk) 23:06, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
- Comment I too agree that it would be better to merge this into Achaea. There just isn't enough information to have a separate article, and the two terms are territorially coterminous. Constantine ✍ 06:52, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
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