Talk:Ace of Base/Archive 1

Archive 1

Contradiction?

In the History section it says the album Da Capo was the fourth (wich in cronilogical terms, is correct), yet in the Music secion it says Da Capo is the fifth album. Should this be changed? I don't think the Ultamate Collection and the 90's Collections should be considered albums, but are indeed collections of their songs. --Admiral Roo 12:43, August 2, 2005 (UTC)

• The contradiction stems from whether 'Singles of the 90s' is considered an album or not. Some fans point out that only three original tracks appeared on the SOTN album. However, other fans mention the fact that the band produced around a dozen songs (enough for a full-length album) during this period, and it was only the band's European record companies' decision to release only three of the songs (the remaining tracks on the album were all songs from earlier albums, packaged together in a 'greatest hits'-type deal).

• Arista Records in the US had a four-album contract with the band, and did release four albums, if you include 'Greatest Hits'. They never released anything else ('Platinum and Gold' wasn't an Arista product and contained no new material anyway), so apparently greatest hits albums count as albums, as long as there is some new content in them.--Firsfron 21:08, 8 August 2005 (UTC)

Stalker/Assault

Wasn't one of the women in the group heavily stalked until she literally awoke in bed one morning to find her stalker hovering over her with a knife? I distinctly remember this being highly publicized at the time. 67.101.159.164 22:18, 10 September 2005 (UTC)

I don't recall all the details, but Jenny did have a stalker, who managed to break into her home. I don't remember if she was armed, but Jenny managed to keep her calm until the police arrived. The incident doesn't seem to have scarred Jenny, but her sister Lynn was significantly affected by it, to the point that she began to withdraw from her lead role within the band (notice that from Cruel Summer on, Jenny does most of the lead singing, and Lynn barely participated in the videos). --200.44.199.30 00:14, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

In truth, Jenny was quite affected by the incident, and wrote the song Ravine in response to the incident: "Then one night/ someone came/took a knife and ripped me out by my roots". It is not known for sure if this is the same incident which caused Linn to go into hiding, or even if there was a specific incident which caused Linn to become so reclusive.--Firsfron 02:49, 25 September 2005 (UTC)

B-Sides

Why were the B-Sides and information about them deleted?Zephyrprince 02:48, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

It was needlessly cluttering up the page; all that info is over at Discography of Ace of Base. I put a link over under the heading of discography. --Qirex 03:04, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

Repeated POV edits

An anonymous editor, whose IP varies between 64.228.119.75, 64.228.109.30, 64.228.119.61, 64.228.109.57, and probably others, repeatedly edits this article to include the sentence: "The band's more inspired than ever." I have been reverting this. If this anonymous editor would kindly explain his/her repeated edits to include this sentence, that would be appreciated. The reason I believe it does not belong in the article is that it is not supported by anything much other than opinion and it is not a quote of someone relevant or notable, and thus is at odds with Wikipedia policy (see WP:NPOV). If there is some argument to be made to include this sentence, please state your case so that there is an opportunity for discussion and debate. Until that time, I will continue to revert these edits. --Qirex 11:53, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

My apologies for editing that section repeatedly, as I thought general viewers were removing my sentence. The opinion was generated off the band's website. Visit www.aceofbase.com and view the last message left. They state that their more inspired than ever to create the new album.

Thank you very much for explaining (it's a great relief to me that this isn't an issue of fan-vandalism). I will add the sentence back in, in a slightly different format to illustrate that it is a statement made by the band on their site. --Qirex 08:09, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

Someone blanked this section. I reverted the erasure. It's a great example of people talking and resolving an issue civilly. I can't imagine why someone would blank it. David in DC (talk) 19:42, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

The assault as a very important fact (and more things)

I am a Spaniard Ace of Base fan since ever. I have always heard that was Linn the one stalked at her home, while she was sleeping, and because of that she started to stay aside, which is specially reflected on their next project, "Flowers". Later, and reflected in "Da Capo", she started to reappear shyly. I am afraid that in Spain no information was given about this at any media, and I still have not found any serious information about this. I am very interested in know the truth about this sad story. At least, put some links to any pages that talk about that. I think it also should be included in the article as an explanation when you say Linn started to participate much less in the band, because you do not give any reason, and you should do, in my opinion.

You also say that the sound is each time farther from their original sound, but you may hear so many winks to their first album in "Da Capo", and they told when it was released that "Da Capo" was chosen as the new album title because "da capo" is a musical term that means "start from the begining".

We can not say "Singles from the 90s" is an album, is clearly a compilation with 3 new songs, 4 for Europeans as the European version of "Flowers" does not include "Everytime It Rains", and the US version ("Cruel Summer") do. Therefore, they have released only four albums and some compilations, and that is what the band itself says on its official website.

After seeing articles so well done and nice as "Nintendo", "Rare", (I am also a Nintendo fan) etc. I found this article quite poor and imprecise. I would be very happy if you read this and pay attention to all I have said, although I am most interested in clarify Jenny's or Linn's assault.

Thank you very much for reading and for the site.

Mikau Bold

Today I have been checking "The Bridge" (their best album, for me) booklet. Jenny says on it about "Ravine": "I guess the sucess went to my head and suddenly I was not in 'good ground' anymore. The song is a metaphor (...) I've never felt better.". I think "Ravine" does not talk about the assault at all.

Mikau Bold

Micau, if you've got a link that says Linn was the one who was attacked, please provide it. Then the article can be updated. But if the link contains pure speculation, or is just written by a fan on a bulletin board, it can't be included as fact. Unfortunately, no reputable source has ever clarified what exactly is wrong with Linn, explaining everything. Therefore, this article only reports what is known as fact.

Jenny stated in many 1993 interviews that she was attacked, not Linn, and that a knife was held to her. There's nothing to contradict that. And in the album after that, "The Bridge", Linn clearly wasn't in the background. So if there's a link between the 1993 attack, and Linn's reclusive behaviour in 1997, it's tenuous.

The article on Nintendo may be nice, but like any article on Wikipedia, it cannot rely on speculation. Proposals to add to the article based on "I heard this" or "I think that" cannot be considered. If you've got something that can be added, something which is fact, and can be supported by a book, reputable newspaper, or factual website, feel free to be bold and edit this article.

The "Singles of the 90s" album was recorded seperately from other albums. At least six tracks were recorded (official note from Claes Cornelius from Mega Records in 1998). If you've got an official link which calls the album "only a compilation, not a real album," feel free to edit this article, including the source. The band itself does not say that on the site.--Firsfron 10:53, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

Answer: What are you talking about? I sense your sarcastic tone and I don't like it at all... And I am not a liar, at their website it was told clearly that "Singles" was not an album, but of course today we cannot find it, time passes and websites change... Not this article that looks exactly the same and has not been updated.

I don't think I have spoken a way that allows you to talk to me like that.

MiKau (with "K") Bold (just a nickname because "Mikau" was already taken. Thank you).

NPOV Issue

The quality of their music compares favorably with fellow Scandinavian acts ABBA and Aqua.

That doesn't sound NPOV. Aragorn2 12:47, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

"Because of their propensity for writing catchy harmony-laden singles, Ace of Base are often compared to fellow Swedish quartet ABBA." Removed. This is not NPOV unless someone has a citation. demo 20:40, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Weird link, um?

• Clicking on the "Beautiful Life" in 'Singles Chart Performance' forwards you to another wikipedia article, but on a Japanese film with the same name. Am i allowed to be confused? --IceflamePhoenix 08:34, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Fixed - the article is Beautiful Life (Ace of Base song). Mdwh 01:34, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

How much did The Sign and The Bridge sell in the US?

The article says The Sign is 10X Platinum and The Bridge is 2X Platinum. Any reputable link/source for that? RIAA database lists The Sign as 9X Plat. and The Bridge as 1X Plat. Why the discrepancy?

Scholar91 02:59, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

The discrepancy comes from the RIAA site itself. They listed The Sign at 10x platinum and The Bridge at 2X platinum for around two years, which is why I added links to their site. A few months ago, they changed the data back to 9X and 1x respectively, without notice why. I've sent e-mails asking why, but there was never any response. However, the band's official site also confirms the 10X (diamond) number, which was, as I recall, announced by Mega Records executive Claes Cornelius in 2002. I'm updating the link for TS to again provide a reputable link. Firsfron of Ronchester 05:24, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

How many albums did Ace of Base sell of their "Happy Nation" in Germany?

The article states that Ace of Base has gone 3 x platinum in Germany with their "Happy Nation" album and then it states that the number of sold albums is 900,000. Well, how can it be 900,000 when before 1999 (before music piracy began) Germany's platinum cerification was 500,000 (that's for 1 platinum) and gold certification was 250,000 . If they have gone 3 x platinum there with their "Happy Nation" which was released in 1993, then the number of sold albums in Germany/Deutcschland would be 1.5 million.

Lack of Links / Incorrect Links

I noticed that none of their albums were linked which is odd considering that articles on those albums exist. I am going to attach correct redirects for the albums. Can people correct this in the rest of the articles and add link (with proper redirects) to articles. Even if some don't exist and seem notable create a stub to link to. --FK65 22:20, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Actually, the albums were linked to this article at the bottom, in the infobox. A second link doesn't hurt, though. Firsfron of Ronchester 22:58, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Nazi Anarchists!

It seems that a possibly somewhat confused user, AcerBen, inserted the following into the article at 20:18, 14 February 2007.

The band were briefly caught up in controversy on 27 March 1993 when Swedish newspaper Expressen reported that Ulf had once been a member of the Nazi group Sverigedemokrater. Ulf was quick to admit this whilst at the same time affirming that he no longer followed their ideology and was convinced to change his path after a close friend was stabbed when he was 18 years old. Fortunately his apology was accepted and the following month the band performed in front of 55,000 people alongside Inner Circle and Dr Alban in Tel Aviv, Israel.

(The text has since been slightly modified, the above is what I just cut out from the article.) If anyone's wondering, the following is what's wrong:

1. The Swedish Anarcho-syndicalist Youth Federation are anarcho-syndicalists, not nazis
2. The Sweden Democrats (Sverigedemokraterna) are not nazis, either
3. The entire section, potentially libelous as it is, is unsourced

And that, my friends, was the most obscure form of vandalism possibly unintentional disruptive editing I've ever seen on Wikipedia. Jobjörn (Talk ° contribs) 16:54, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Calling AcerBen's edit vandalism is hardly to assume good faith. It is well known that Ulf had been collaborating with racists / nazists (including white power music, I think). But I don't remember the details. / Fred-Chess 17:39, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

While assuming good faith, piping the link Swedish Anarcho-syndicalist Youth Federation as the Sweden Democrats and referring to both of them as nazi is, if not vandalism, stupid. As AcerBen's other contributions are of high standard, I first assumed it was by a vandal using his account, but I found out it was done in the massive edit which restructured the entire article. It IS possible that someone - maybe a friend - snuck that part in without AcerBen noticing, but really. In any case, I've already asked him on his talk page to come here and explain. Oh, and, while Ulf perhaps did collaborate with racists (I don't care either way, really), it should definitely be sourced as that may be considered libellous. Jobjörn (Talk ° contribs) 18:15, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

I've changed my wording in the first post to describe what I really was thinking. Jobjörn (Talk ° contribs) 12:22, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

It seems that that part of the article (which I did write myself) is indeed factually incorrect. I hold my hands up to being "confused" but it was absolutely a genuine error, not deliberate vandalism - I am an "Acer" after all ! Basically I got the word "Sverigedemokrater" from the original biography I wrote on my website, and if I remember correctly I got that exact word from the Swedish subtitles in the 1997 SVT documentary "Our Story". I will have to go back to re-watch the documentary to find out exactly what was said because I cannot remember. What I know for sure is that there was indeed a fairly big scandal about Ulf's "nazi" past beginning with that Expressen article - and it was also brought up again in 1995 on the American TV show "A Current Affair". Ulf was definitely a member of the racist Commit Suiside band. So basically, I admit that I have not researched this properly and I have evidently wrongly labelled two Swedish parties as "nazi" and I apologise for this.

However, I do feel that if we can come up with proper references, the issue of Ulf's past *is* relevant to the article. AcerBen 19:54, 18 February 2007 (GMT)

OK I found it - here is what the presenter on "A Current Affair" said:

"They're known as the Swedish democrats - odd, since they include some of the most violent, racist skinheads in the world. Today we'll talk to a former member, a young man who says he wants to forget the hate in his past. Trouble is he now a singer in one of the hottest pop groups around, and that makes his racist past a big, big problem."

Then Ulf said (in a later interview, not from "A Current Affair"

"My controversial background was quite obviously.. obvious - will be.. official one day or another. Most of - not all accusations, but most of the accusations was actually right and I confessed it. And I told everyone I really regret what I done. I closed that book. I don't want to even talk about it, that time does not exist in me any more. I closed it and I threw the book away. I took the experience from it, I learned from it. But that life is not me. It's somebody else."

So it would appear that if it's unfair to label either party as "racist", then "A Current Affair" was also in the wrong. I don't have any other sources to back up whether Ulf was indeed a member of either of those groups. But I shall do some more research to find out. AcerBen 20:20, 18 February 2007 (GMT)

No harm done. There are many who would agree that the Sweden Democrats are indeed racist (I think so), the really odd part of your edit was that you pipe-linked "Sverigedemokrater" to Swedish Anarcho-syndicalist Youth Federation, a revolutionary socialist grouping. But, as said, no harm done. Jobjörn (Talk ° contribs) 20:23, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

http://www.cracked.com/blog/how-90s-pop-band-secretly-sold-nazism-to-america/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.45.100.60 (talk) 06:44, 9 October 2015 (UTC)

I've seen the article the person posted above. It is interesting, if not entirely convincing; I somehow have my doubts if it is a reliable enough source to even put up as speculation (especially since this is a biography page). It appears as if one man heard a phrase the reminded him of "Ace of Base" on a show about Nazi submarine bases, managed to find it used in one other book, as verification it even existed, and then went digging through all their videos in hopes of finding "evidence" to support his idea that they were all secretly Nazi's and their music was full of hidden symbols. There are a few things that seem strange once they are pointed out, but I'm quite sure that one could find similar "clues" in any group if one went into it intending to find "proof" that they were Nazis. I don't think any reasonable person would call the "evidence" conclusive (which of course hasn't stopped thousands of people), but even if the more suggestive indications mean that they DID support right-wing ideals at the time, the evidence is in no way sufficient to pass judgement. In my opinion. And of course, even if they were right-wingers, who only intended these (very obscure) "clues" to be visible to those "in the know", the fact is that the unexpected explosion in popularity means that almost no-one would have ever been effected by the music...you don't hear or see "Nazi" until someone comes along and suggests it to your mind (I think it says more about the people who see these "signs" eveywhere than anything...suppressed personal guilt?) The author, I'm pretty sure, was just a slime looking for a powerful click-bait, who didn't mind spouting wild conjecture, even knowing people would likely believe it. Typical internet author, in other words. AnnaGoFast (talk) 00:35, 7 April 2016 (UTC)

Genres?

How does anyone get Ace Of Base to be either House or Techno, where's the heavy synths and 4/4 beats? And the DJ build? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 80.165.138.210 (talk) 12:57, 9 April 2007 (UTC).

I agree they aren't house, I've taken that out. Techno is borderline but you can make a case for some of their first album being kinda techno. AcerBen 22:58, 21 May 2007 (CET)

Fair use rationale for Image:AceofBaseHappyNationAlbumcover.jpg

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Fair use rationale for Image:Ace of Base-Da Capo.jpg

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Can you fix the information of Da capo and the photo? I attempted to without success... Also, I'm confident your web site can obtain a picture of Ace of base for the top right corner of their article. It's 2007, after all. Thank you.

Please sign talk page comments with four tildes. A tilde looks like this "~" They'll sign your contribution with a name, or at least an IP address and the time and date of your contribution. Thanks. David in DC (talk) 18:16, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

No. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.50.202.58 (talk) 05:10, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

Who keeps posting the iTunes availability for some of the band's tracks? It doesn't seem like the staff from Wikipedia are doing it. Can you confirm this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.72.122.194 (talk) 20:17, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Video game link?

I remember a game on the Commodore 64 where one of the rankings you could earn with a high score was "Ace of Base" (it was a military game, something about air combat). Given that the C-64 was quite popular in Europe, has anyone heard the band say anything about this as a possible source for the name? I realize that Wikipedia doesn't deal in speculation... I'm just not a huge fan of the band, but I know some are and may have heard something in interviews or read something to support this. Before any youngsters pipe up with their revisionist "nothing existed before I was born" comments, the game came BEFORE the band... it's not a reference to the band in the game. Anyway, I was just wondering if this can be confirmed. MaxVolume (talk) 18:05, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

Base of Aces => Ace of Base? Just sayin'. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.149.190.72 (talk) 11:10, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

Ace of Base Is Not a Band

Ace of Base is actually a vocal group, not a band. A band plays its own instruments. 75.135.69.224 (talk) 23:13, 6 August 2010 (UTC) I'm pretty sure that the males at least play keyboard, maybe do the mixing and samples. I doubt they exist simply to insert the occasional two seconds of vocal background into a song; that could easily be done by samples and hired singers. I believe the males are the musician/producers and the females are the vocals. The males could be called either musicians or producers, but the group is definitely a band, or sorts. AnnaGoFast (talk) 00:22, 7 April 2016 (UTC)

Ace.of.Base and Ace of Base - same band?

The media is not the only source to speak of the band as Ace of Base and not Ace.of.Base Their official facebook is Ace of Base, NOT Ace.of.Base Their official website has numerous references to the original name, and only the art (which is a stylization for the new album) features the "dots".

From their website: "Ace of Base perform with Kelly Rowland", "While doing promo in Toronto for current single “All For You”, Ace Of Base attended amfAR’s Cinema Against AIDS benefit gala last night...", "...the first new studio album by Ace of Base in eight years", ..."All for you” is set to join the list of Ace of Base classics that includes “All That She Wants,” “The Sign” and “Don’t Turn Around.”, "...Ace of Base are back."

They may have new singers, but the name is still the same.

Dragonslayerboy (talk) 22:27, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

Dragonslayerboy; You provide no new information, and your reasoning exactly proves my point. They interchangeably use Ace of Base with Ace.of.Base to mislead media and fans to believe that they are the same band. This mistake should not be made at Wikipedia that objectively must present both sides of the story: The other half of Ace of Base, Malin and Jenny, has NOT approved such change in the band. On the contrary; Jenny has been very clear that Ace of Base is the four original members, nothing less, nothing more. (Check the references in the article) Allyearlong 16:44, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

Allyearlong; Malin has said nothing on the issue. 2 members of the original line-up say that the new line-up is still Ace of Base. Jenny obviously isn't happy with this, but it's true. Jonas and Ulf have said that it's still Ace of Base. They're not trying to mislead anybody. And, again, Malin hasn't made any kind of statement. 2/4 of the old line-up believe it's Ace of Base. 1/4 doesn't. 1/4 hasn't said anything. Dragonslayerboy (talk) 17:03, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

I have not said that Malin has made any statements. I said that we haven't heard any approval from her and Jenny. And from Jenny we have heard a strong and emotional disapproval. All four band members own the trademark Ace of Base together and if one member opposes use of the name by another formation, then it should be respected. If not by personal respect for Jenny, but for legal reasons. The question that interestingly enough is not asked yet, is why Jenny has not sued Ulf and Jonas for trademark violation. But that is more than any of us could or should speculate in at this forum. Regarding the Wikipedia page I stand my ground; the new formation can't be considered Ace of Base, as Jenny is a trademark owner, has not left the group and disapprove of the name use. The trademark question is of course not settled with a majority/minority voting system where Jenny would stand as one against two. As a trademark owner one has legal rights and can't be "voted out" as in some TV show. Allyearlong (talk) 19:15, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

Hi. My partner works at Playground Records, Ace of Base's current record label. I asked him to look into this. The band is still "Ace of Base", even with the dots. The dots were done for stylistic purposes, not to signify a new band name. Ace of Base, without the dots, is currently the title of the band's official web site, Facebook page, and Myspace. Ace of Base, and Jenny Beggren, and even Malin Berggren, are all under the same contract umbrella. If Jenny, Malin, or any other band member decides to release a solo recording, it must be with Playground/Universal. That's what the agreement they signed states. Ace of Base was originally signed to Mega Records in the 1990s. Their current contract was drawn up before the turn of the century. Mega was bought by Playground, and with it went Ace of Base's contract. Jenny Berggren, who I know is going solo, has no control over the band. The record label does. It is up to the band members to work it out. The only interest of the record company is to get the product in their hands by a certain date. The band is free to make new lineups, as long as they still release the material under the Ace of Base brand. The band is contracted to release one more studio album of new material within the next ten years. Then they are free agents, and can sign with whomever they wish. Their current recording, "The Golden Ratio", is under current contract. Each member of the band gets a cut of the profits, even those not currently recording with the band. Each member owns the name, "Ace of Base". They all get a piece of the pie, regardless. Even Malin Berggren. I hope this clears up any misinformation. I will be reverting any attempt to re-write the band as a totally new incarnation. 98.225.205.211 (talk) 08:10, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia is a media that should provide unbiased information based on valid references. That you have a partner working for the new line-up that has no objections to revenue generating activities, is hardly surprising. But any information you try to insert on the Wikipedia page must be verifiable. The "I have a friend that said"-type of arguments you provide, is not verifiable information. Besides, you miss the point. The trademark Ace of Base is not owned by the record company, but by the four members of the group. The record company has control over what music Ace of Base or any of its members can release. But the members themselves have control over how and by whom the trademark is used. Allyearlong (talk) 11:34, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

There is no dispute. Citing a need for "unbiased" information while using the extremely biased argument that the band is called Ace.of.Base is ridiculous. Wikipedia requires confirmed information. EVERY official source - including the band members themselves - use the name Ace of Base. The periods are nothing more than a stylistic design for a logo. 76.211.13.149 (talk) 21:12, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

You are not considering Jenny's statements as offical then? That explains your standpoint. What Ulf and Jonas says radically contradicts what Jenny says. Check the references, and you'll find that there is no doubt there is a name dispute. One of the biggest newspapers in Sweden, Aftonbladet even made an article about it with the headline "They are fighting over Ace of Base" refering to the name dispute. The references also say that Jonas promised to write the name differently so the difference would be clear between the two bands. The name presented was ".Ace.of.Base." later shortened to "Ace.of.Base" and now step by step replaced by "Ace of Base". The dots being reduced to a stylistic detail when the album is released is a predictable move, but nevertheless, using them is the least infringing way to refer to the new line-up at this point even though the use of that name also clearly violates the trademark agreement. Allyearlong (talk) 00:27, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

Bottom line is:Wikipedia policy on reliable sources (WP:RS), and Wikipedia does not allow any liberal interpretation of those polices The band's own website cannot be used as a reference, individual band member's web sites cannot be used, their agent's website cannot be used, blogs, social networs (Twitter, MySpace, YourSpace, HisSpace, HerSpace, OurSpace, LinkedIn, LinkedOut, LinkedOver, LinkedUnder),, Amazon, Directory listings, forums, e-bay, etc - all cannot be used. Nor can anything one of the band members whispered in your ear backstage, nor wht Jenny told her friend who is married to the brother of a n occasional Wikipedia contributor.nor can anything reported by some one who says "I know a bloke, who knows X, who heard Y tell A that B knows C personally." If something cannot be proved frm a 'rock' solid source, it does not belong in the Wikipedia however interesting it might be. --Kudpung (talk) 05:04, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

also the trusted newspapers are stating that Ace of Base is back after 8 years of silence. Read:

A. Focus German magazine: Revival ace of Base with two new singers

B. TZ-online.de: Ace of Base is back with sexy video

C. Berliner Morgenpost: Ace of Base back on stage after 8 years

D. RP Online: Ace of Base release new album - Comeback after 8 years

E. Bild Zeitung online: Ace of Base is back

All these big newspaper states that they are the same band and I can find more with more time.

References

Having been a culture page contributor throughout the 1980's on the pre-Internet versions of one of the above listed German daily newspapers, I can certainly vouch for their compliance with our Wikipedia WP:RS policy. There is no need to clutter the article with multiple reliable sources all citing the same thing.--Kudpung (talk) 00:37, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

References

Editor Assistance Requests

This article has been the subject of an enquiry at Editor Assistance Requests at WP:EAR#Edit war on the Ace of Base page. Please note the editor's response and consider taking on board any recommendations.--Kudpung (talk) 00:20, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

And this, ladies and gentlemen...

...is why Wikipedia is a joke: "Its original lineup consisted of Ulf "Buddha" Ekberg, and three siblings, Jonas "Joker" Berggren, Malin "Linn" Berggren and Jenny Berggren but most importantly Stephanie Tanner, of the hit tv show Full House."

Yep, right there In the first paragraph. I'm actually leaving it up so the world can see. NICE.

Grammy Nominations

People should look better for information, Ace of Base received 3 nominations for 3 categories at the 1995 Grammy Awards these were Best New Artist winning Sheryl Crow, Best Pop Album for The Sign winning Bonnie Raitt with Longing in their Hearts and Best Pop Vocal Performance By a Group or Duo for The Sign winning All-4-One for I Swear, YOU SHOULD ADD THOSE REFERENCES THAT YOU CAN FIND ONLINE. Juan Dominguez 11-12th-14.

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Just a note to say I've spent a lot of time editing the article today (which by the way was largely my work in the first place!). I think it's an improvement so hope no one tries to revert back, though of course amendments and additions are always welcome! Notably, the opening paragraphs focus more on the original line-up and their 90s succcess, and then fast-forwarding to their more recent activity. The stuff about The Golden Ratio feels rather irrelevant 10 years on, and considering the lack of impact it had on their legacy. But I have added more information to what happened with the line-up changes later on in the main article. AcerBen 23:05, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

Request for wider feedback on Nazi claims

Kia ora! As those who follow this page will have seen, there has been a bit of back and forth with the edit history on whether or not to include the sourced claims about the bands' links to Nazism. Whilst the evidence is considerably more on the side that Ekberg was a Nazi, since he admitted it, the fact that people are speculating about whether or not the band has nazi-links is notable in and of itself, considering the places where the allegations have been claimed. However, @LoveinDecember: seems adamant in their opinion on this, so it is appropriate to gain further community feedback (as was initially suggested as a first course of action). I'd love wider community input into this. As it stands, I will revert it one final time (this will be my third time within 24 hours, therefore within the Wikipedia:Edit warring#The three-revert rule. Thanks. Nauseous Man (talk) 04:05, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

Notified: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Biography. ––FormalDude talk 04:24, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

LoveinDecember’s Stance:

Hi, this is fairly simple. The “Links to Nazism” section is not factual, as well as being totally irrelevant. All info about Ulf Ekberg’s skinhead gang past should be on Ulf Ekberg’s wiki page, not the band’s page. As I’ve made clear, there is NO evidence supporting the claim that Ace of Base has secret Nazi messages in their music or videos. To the contrary, the song Happy Nation was described by the band as being ANTI-fascism in a 1994 news article. It also talked about Ulf’s past, and how he and the band condemns it.

Using conspiracy theory articles on comedy sites is not a valid source of neutral information. Literally every claim made in those articles has been disproven. The origin of the band’s name being Motörhead’s “Ace of Spades” has been well documented since 1993. It has nothing to do with a “Nazi submarine” allegedly called the “base of aces” - a phrase that has no source beyond a documentary and book that came out many years after the height of Ace of Base’s career. The Happy Nation intro is a combination of well known Latin hymns from Jonas Berggren’s church. Not a secret message about Nazis or Hitler. The use of “6 pointed stars” in the All That She Wants video as being a secret message about Jews has similarly been disproven. In multiple video documentaries about the filming of the music video, Jenny mentions that it was filmed in the model’s apartment with no budget, so all of the props (including the starry jewelry Jenny is admiring in the video) were in fact the model’s belongings. Jenny talks about in one documentary digging through all of the eccentric model’s cheap jewelry, trying to find something pretty to use on camera. The band has also been vocal for decades that in the song the use of the word “baby” is not literal, and that “all that she wants” is actually another lover. It’s not about babies or welfare.

It’s inappropriate to use a picture of Ulf, as a teenager, doing a Nazi salute on his gang’s album cover on Ace of Base’s wiki. It has nothing to do with Ace of Base. While Ulf made music with that gang (years before Ace of Base), he’s been on the record multiple times saying he didn’t have anything to do with ANY of the songs on that “Uffe Was A Nazi” album, and none of the songs he made with the gang were racist or anti-Semitic.

Ace of Base’s wiki should be about the band and its music. Not one person’s delusional conspiracy theories that have been regurgitated over and over by bloggers who were too lazy to do even the most basic research. I mean, come on people. Seriously.

LoveinDecember (talk) 05:39, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

I see a wall of text with zero sources to back anything you said up. Where exactly were any of the article's sources disproven, and by whom?

I'm gonna note that the VICE article says Ekberg sang explicit songs that translated to "Men in white hoods march down the road, we enjoy ourselves when we're sawing off n***ers’ heads/ Immigrant, we hate you! Out, out, out, out! Nordic people, wake up now! Shoot, shoot, shoot, shoot!" ––FormalDude talk 05:56, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

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• My concern here, @LoveinDecember:, is that you have no edit history apart from this page. Do you have any connections to this group? Nauseous Man (talk) 07:42, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

• To FormalDude: "Commit Suicide was a New Wave music band creating and performing electronic music on synthesizers without any political touch or agenda," Ekberg continued. "The racist songs on this demo were not by us, but our potential association with such groups is a matter I truly regret." - https://www.eonline.com/news/411700/ace-of-base-s-ulf-ekberg-speaks-out-about-alleged-past-nazi-ties

Article from 1994 where the band condemns Ulf’s past AND says Happy Nation (the song the Vice article falsely claims has a secret Nazi message in) is an “anti-fascist hymn to life” - https://books.google.com/books?id=QyhJAAAAIBAJ&pg=PA11#v=onepage&q&f=false

I can go on, what else do you need proof of?

To Nauseous Man: I’m brand new to making wiki edits, but I’m a longtime Ace of Base fan since 1994. I’ve been an active member of pretty much every major Acer forum since the internet was a thing. You won’t find anybody more knowledgeable about Ace of Base than me. I do have direct contact with the founding member of the band, Jonas Berggren, but as I mentioned above to FormalDude I have other printed sources of information to back up my stance. LoveinDecember (talk) 09:40, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

The suggestion is wrong that any Nazi-related stuff should be taken away from the Ace of Base page and hosted solely on Ekberg's bio. It's wrong because the media consistently make the connection. They don't report on Ekberg alone.

The chronology I found online about the controversy is as follows:

• March 1993: Uproar in Sweden when Ekberg's Nazi past is revealed
• November 1993: Los Angeles Times reports that Ekberg's past Nazism is the "first order of business" for the band as they tour the USA... The band must engage in damage control.
• 1997: a documentary is released in which Ekberg says "I told everyone I really regret what I did. I've closed that book."
• 1998: Flashback Records releases 1,000 CDs of Uffe Was a Nazi! which shows Ekberg's Nazi salute.
• July 2010: LA Weekly reminds its readers that Ekberg had a Nazi past.
• April 2013: Noisey Vice piece by Benjamin Shapiro revisits the controversy.
• April 2013: Tablet magazine piece by Adam Chandler reporting on Ekberg's Nazi past.
• April 2013: E Online denial by Ekberg.
• April 2013: Hollywood.com publishes Ekberg's denial
• April 2013: Huffington Post reports both sides.
• April 2013: AV Club reports both sides.
• October 2015: Cracked magazine says Ace of Base "sold Nazism"
• June 2016: The West Australian publishes a denial by Ekberg.

I think we must discuss the effect that the controversy had on the band. Certainly some details can be shifted to Ekberg's bio, but the controversy is part of the band topic. Binksternet (talk) 13:45, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

@LoveinDecember, answering User talk:FormalDude, I do not think these sources are enough to simply overrule the significant amount of sources contradicting them (and I don't think any amount of other citations can at this point unless more relevant evidence somehow surfaces). Although, I would like to propose that the fact that Ekberg denies having involvement in the far right extremist (or other term) songs be included, can other editors involved give their opinions? Justiyaya 15:31, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

Thanks Justiyaya, that sounds reasonable to me. ––FormalDude talk 17:18, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

@Justiyaya how can you say my sources aren’t enough? They’re direct quotes from the band! The burden of proof is on the conspiracy theorists to prove what the band has said is false. They haven’t. I could just as easily publish an article about how I believe Madonna is using hidden Satanic messages in her music to make people do evil deeds. You’re saying if I made that article, it would be acceptable for someone to add a “Links To Satan” section on Madonna’s wiki spreading my unfounded theories? How is that not libelous, if not at least biased vandalism? The words of the artist are more credible than a random blogger.

“Links To Nazism” should at least be changed because the BAND has no links to Nazism. “Ulf’s Controversial Past” is more accurate, and the band should be quoted as condemning that past as well as about how Happy Nation was written to be an “anti-fascist hymn to life”. Any mention of the disproven conspiracy theories regarding Ace of Base’s name, music videos and song lyrics containing secret Nazi messages should be removed. It’s also inappropriate to have Nazi imagery (the album cover) on Ace of Base’s wiki. LoveinDecember (talk) 17:42, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

This line here is particularly egregious IMO: “Attention has also been drawn to the nazi imagery, lyrics, and themes in 'All That She Wants', 'Happy Nation' and 'The Sign'.”

There IS NO Nazi imagery, lyrics, or themes in any of Ace of Base’s songs. That’s a bogus conspiracy theory. Those 3 songs weren’t even written by Ulf, they were written by Jonas Berggren!!! And as I sourced above, Jonas described Happy Nation in that 1994 article as being an “anti-fascist hymn to life”. Literally the opposite of a secret Nazi message. LoveinDecember (talk) 19:33, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

• I don't disagree that some of the wording could be tightened up, however, since there is a host of allegations about the links it is important to include it. The best way, I think, to resolve the current impasse is by softening the original claims, and to add another sentence or two after the claims refuting them in harder terms (from reputable sources). Therefore this becomes a more balanced discussion.

Also, welcome to wikipedia @LoveinDecember:. I'm sorry that this was the first experience of it! With such controversial/sensitive topics, we usually try to engage in dialogue about them. Whilst I have you here, I would just ask you to check out the Wikipedia:Conflict of interest page. There are a few policies on wikipedia that you might not be familiar with, but it's important to. Nauseous Man (talk) 00:41, 22 September 2021 (UTC)

@Nauseous Man: I don’t have a conflict of interest, but thanks for reminding me about something - I would ask you to re-examine the rules of this wiki. “Contentious material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced must be removed immediately from the article and its talk page, especially if potentially libellous.“

The conspiracy theories about there being “Nazi imagery, lyrics, and themes” in Ace of Base’s music and videos are libelous and poorly sourced. Again, the person who wrote the Cracked article describes himself as a conspiracy theorist, and that he formed his opinions on his own interpretation of their music and videos. That is not sufficient enough to be included on a band’s wiki. This is clearly a person who is unwell, or at the very least making these claims as an attempt at satire/humor.

If I need to go line by line, point by point, and prove with sources that there’s no Nazi imagery, lyrics, or themes in Ace of Base’s discography - I will. Give me your BEST example of these Nazi images/lyrics/themes, please. LoveinDecember (talk) 02:44, 22 September 2021 (UTC)

I don't think the controversy around Ulf's past is necessary in the main band article either - though if it has to be there at all, it should be more like how it's written on Ulf's own page. In fact what's already there was previously incorporated into an earlier version of the main AoB article. But the rest of it is total nonsense. In fact, I followed the band closely and I've never even heard of that ridiculous accusation about the origin of the band's name. And apart from the allegations about the lyrical content being ludicrous, it's not notable because it's just some random website making up stuff.

Commit Suicide regularly performed in mainstream nightclubs and other public events in Gothenburg. It seems unlikely that they would be invited to perform if their lyrics were so blatantly offensive.

Ulf has denied that the recordings have anything to do with him and there is zero evidence to suggest otherwise.

I would be OK with some mention of the widely reported stories about Ulf's youth, so long as it sticks to the facts and includes a quote from Ulf as balance. But it doesn't need its own section or the crackpot theories about the band's name or lyrics. LoveinDecember's point about Madonna is spot on.

AcerBen, 18:30, 26 September 2021 (UTC)

I restored the content that AcerBen removed as a consensus has yet to be reached. I'm not seeing any good reasons to remove it. ––FormalDude talk 05:27, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

In an attempt to compromise and draw a line under this, I've written a bit about the widely reported claims about Ulf in the "1992–1994: International success and Happy Nation/The Sign" section (as it was first reported in 1993). I believe the way I've included it fairly reflects the notability and is factually accurate. The issues I had with the way it was previously there was that it was in its own section called "Links to Nazism", and I also don't think it's fair to include the separate allegations about the band's name or lyrical content because not only are they ridiculous, they are not notable. Only the Cracked website attempts to make a link between Ulf's past and Ace Of Base's music. If a notable publication or individual was making the claims and they received widespread enough coverage to prompt some sort of denial by the band, then it might be fair. But it's just one random website making up ludicrous claims based on nothing. I'm not even sure that they intended the claims to be taken seriously. Seems satirical/clickbaity to me. AcerBen, 16:24, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

Thank you, AcerBen... I was intending to do pretty much what you did, but you got it done first. Certainly the controversy hit the band hard, and we must tell the reader something about it. Your version works fine. Binksternet (talk) 16:46, 13 October 2021 (UTC)