Talk:Abya Yala

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It says here that this name was chosen by the Indigenous peoples of the Americas but I don't think there was any giant vote of all the Indigenous peoples of the Americas, so where did this name come from. Is it just Takir Mamani's idea? Jztinfinity 04:20, 1 December 2006 (UTC)Reply

It was voted by all the indigenous groups of America in a Congress.--24.250.154.199 07:46, 14 November 2007 (UTC)Reply

Could you provide a source for reference, please? -- PEPSI2786^talk 05:37, 23 December 2007 (UTC)Reply

The Aymara leader Takir Mamani suggested the selection of this name (which the Kuna use to denominate the American continents in their entirety), and proposed that all Indigenous peoples in the Americas utilize it in their documents and oral declarations. "Placing foreign names on our cities, towns and continents," he argued, "is equal to subjecting our identity to the will of our invaders and to that of their heirs." The proposal of Takir Mamani has found a favorable reception in various sectors. from abayayala.nativeweb.org. Doesn't seem like it was ratified by any indigenous body. --mordicai. (talk) 18:26, 9 April 2008 (UTC)Reply

That source is now archived here. And all it says is that one Aymara person once proposed this. There's no indication whatsoever that anyone, let alone every group from the Mapuche to the Inuit to the Mohawk to the Seminole, has bought into this. I'm also somewhat skeptical that the term, if used by the Guna before the arrival of the Spaniards, really referred to the whole of the Americas. The source says "... Takir Mamani suggested the selection of this name (which the Kuna use to denominate the American continents in their entirety) ...". "Use", present tense. To what extent were they aware, as this article implies, in the 15th century, of a continent, as such, extending thousands of kilometers away from them in many directions and as distinct from other land masses? Maybe they were, but at first blush I wouldn't have expected that. Largoplazo (talk) 17:05, 3 November 2023 (UTC)Reply

Presumably the fact that the Kuna territory straddles both north and south America is why their term was chosen. --86.138.30.7 (talk) 15:28, 30 October 2008 (UTC)Reply

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Latest comment: 7 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

Mister Jztinfinity, this is J.C Why don't you think so? Yes the First Nations had over 15.000 years to compleyely and totally explore and meet each other and stablish common names for their territory. They understood the whole continent surrounded by oceans as a giant living MATURE entity. The name Abya Yala contains the concept of maturity, therefore it meets those visions, so we will supoport that insight on this article very soon. Finally the current living First Nations of today had established this name sir, and they are as legitimate as their ancestors aren't thay sir? We will document those ideas for this article.

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