Talk:Abdu Ali al Haji Sharqawi

merge and redirect

I merged the contents of Abdul Rahim al-Sharqawi here. Geo Swan (talk) 21:50, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

I suggested Riad (al-Qaeda host) be merged and redirected to this article. Responding to a query on Talk:Riad (al-Qaeda host)#Merge template I wrote:

The public record shows that Sharqawi was alleged to also to have been known as "Riyadh the facilitator", who managed a suspicious guest house in Karachi. Mohammed Nasir Yahya Khusruf faced the allegation that he stayed in the Karachi guest house managed by "Riad (al-Qaeda host)". I suggest that "Riad" and "Riyadh" are two different transliterations of the same alias. Geo Swan (talk) 09:29, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

I dunno why my challenger is not posing their questions here.

They requested info on other sources on Riyahd the facilitator. here you go. Geo Swan (talk) 10:10, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

I dunno why "my challenger" does not fully answers my questions and continues an already started conversation at the place where is was started. No offense but i must say i found this a bit disruptive.

I wrote:

Could you just clarify what you mean by the "public record". Any other source than the OARDEC source for the allegation that Al Hajj Abdu Ali Sharqawi was running the guest house under the name "Riyadh"? OARDEC is the same source as in this article and their information is based on unreliable classified intelligence assertions. It sounds likely but how can we be sure it was the same guest house? In any case we should attribute this to the source. IQinn (talk) 09:50, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

IQinn (talk) 10:15, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

Riad (al-Qaeda host) was just nominated for deletion. I continue to believe that a merge and redirect to this article is what is appropriate for that article. So I reverted another contributor's removal of the {{mergeto}} and {{mergefrom}} wikitags. Geo Swan (talk) 12:17, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

In reply to User:Iqinn's query for sources that Al Hajj Abdu Ali Sharqawi aka "Riyadh the facilitator" managed guest houses, let me introduce you to a tool called "google.com". It is an example of a kind of online tool search engine. If you ask experienced computer users they will tell you they find tools like google very useful.

The way you use the google.com web page, is to type or paste the term or phrase you have a question about into the prominent box. Then you click the search button, and google will provide you with a list of other web pages where that term or phrase was used.

To answer your request for non-OARDEC references that asserted Al Hajj Abdu Ali Sharqawi aka "Riyadh the facilitator" managed guest houses I typed in "Riyadh the facilitator" OR "Riad the facilitator". Anyone who spends fifteen seconds looking at the list of websites that search provided will see instance after instance where google found Riyadh the facilitator managed guest houses. They wouldn't even need to click on any of those links, the brief clips provided already contained all the information required to answer your question dozens of times over.

Should I have spent time, going to those web-pages, quoting the specific passages I thought answered your question, spent time spelling out to you how those passages answered your question? If we had no past history I would have explained how the results google provided answered your question. But you and I have been communicating for 16 months. And during those 16 months there are too many instances to count where I did spend an hour, or hours, drafting you detailed good faith answers that you promptly denounced as bad faith attempts on my part to "filibuster" or "game the system", through a "wall of words". Geo Swan (talk) 13:41, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

I think in summary we of your comment we can say you do not have other sources than OARDEC. IQinn (talk) 13:48, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

In addition the single reference in Riad (al-Qaeda host) is already used in the article here so that there are no information to merge and the article Riad (al-Qaeda host) can and should be deleted now. IQinn (talk) 13:55, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

First, when an WP:RS like Andy Worthington, who literally wrote the book on Guantanamo, publishes a book, or writes articles, that rely, in part on OARDEC documents, his book, and his articles, can not be described as OARDEC sources by anyone who respects the English language. The first two web-pages the google search I asked you to check provides are to Worthington's articles. The second two web-pages the google search provided are from globalsecurity.org, which is also not an OARDEC

Also in the list is this report published in US News and World Report in May 2003, which stated: "It began with Riyadh the Facilitator. Little is known about the man, whom Pakistani forces seized in Karachi in January 2002. Responsible for managing al Qaeda's affairs in Pakistan, he is one of a handful of important operatives about whom U.S. officials have released virtually no information. During the war, allied troops in Afghanistan nabbed a pair of middle managers, but Riyadh was the first field commander captured after 9/11. "Riyadh was a serious logistician," says an intelligence source. He was also the first link in a chain that would lead from one al Qaeda leader to another." Note, this article predates the publication of any OARDEC documents by two years. It predates the establishment of OARDEC by a year and a half.

The list google provided may contain some OARDEC documents, or mirrors of OARDEC documents. It also contained some mirrors of the wikipedia's article. But that list provided plenty of good WP:RS. Geo Swan (talk) 18:47, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

In summary: Nothing else than the one OARDEC reference and the information from that reference is already in the article here so that there is nothing to merge. IQinn (talk) 22:43, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

• User:Iqinn's tendetious editing and edit warring triggered a series of blocks, that, ultimately led to an indefinite block. Iqinn tried evading that block, through sockpuppetry. I am going to place those merge tags, again. And, if no one objects, merge the two article, after a reasonable period of time. Geo Swan (talk) 21:24, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

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Merger proposal

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.

The result of this discussion was not to merge. The only person showing interest in the merge after ten months is an indefinitely blocked user. This does not prohibit a merge; I'm simply closing this specific proposal.

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I propose merging Riyadh the facilitator into Abdu Ali al Haji Sharqawi. Sharqawi Abdu Ali al-Hajj was Riyadh the Facilitator and the sources on the Riyadh article support the pseudonym belonging to al-Hajj. There should be information added about the search for "Riyadh" and the opaque nature of his true identity during the early years of the Iraq War but there is no reason to have a separate article.

The Guantanamo Docket

Copy paste from reflist:

"Fate and whereabouts unknown: Detainees in the "War on Terror"" (PDF). Center for Human Rights and Global Justice. 17 December 2005. Archived from the original (PDF) on 12 June 2010. Retrieved 25 September 2010. The U.S. did not confirm custody of al-Shaqawi in the 9-11 Commission Report. However, some media reports refer to al-Sharqawi as being "known to be in custody" in a context which suggests that this is U.S. custody.

"Disappearing Act: Rendition by the Numbers". Mother Jones. 3 March 2008. Retrieved 25 September 2010.

Desertambition (talk) 04:28, 23 April 2022 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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