Talk:Aaron and Adam Weis

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: withdrawn by nominator, closed by BlueMoonset (talk) 16:39, 29 August 2022 (UTC)

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• ... that Aaron and Adam Weis shared the role of Bradley Bradshaw? Source: https://www.chicagotribune.com/sd-me-bell-20180707-story.html

were, together, Bradley Bradshaw, and each of them Bay Area Teacher of the Month?

• • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Christy Martin vs. Deirdre Gogarty
  • Comment: The template wants but one source. For the Teacher of the month, see https://826valencia.org/september-teacher-of-the-month-mr-aaron-weis/ and https://826valencia.org/tom-may/

Created by KnightMove (talk). Self-nominated at 11:12, 2 August 2022 (UTC).

• QPQ has been completed, article was created recently enough to an adequate size and Copyvio score looks fine. However, articles need to be covered by reliable sources and I'm not sure about 826valencia; as for the hook itself, use an alt specifying that they played Bradley Bradshaw together and remove the Bay Area Teacher part since that is an additional fact. Regarding linking the source, you can simply do so like this. K. Peake 11:29, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for your feedback.

Now I have mentioned 826 Valencia explicitly as the organization issuing the award - I guess they are reliable about whom they grant their own awards.

About your other points, please specify - this is my very first nomination, so I am not too familiar with the rules yet.

"... that is an additional fact" - so it is unwanted to combine facts from different sources?

"...as for the hook itself, use an alt..." - what exactly do you mean, please? --KnightMove (talk) 12:06, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

Anyway, I have created the shortened hook. --KnightMove (talk) 12:56, 4 August 2022 (UTC)

• Hold up: I don't think these one-time actors and local teachers may meet notability critera. Sources currently include CNN iReport (user-generated content), Facebook posts, "Kalia news" (which does not even mention the brothers). As minor actors in a single role (and a commercial) that would not merit an encyclopedia entry. Being voted "teacher of the month" does not get someone into an encyclopedia. I see sources with a single mention of the twins, and local recognition of minor awards from 826 Valencia, but not significant coverage in multiple, independent, reliable sources. --Animalparty! (talk) 02:52, 8 August 2022 (UTC)

The kaliannews.info link is also not claimed in the article to mention the twins, it is used as a reference for a specific statement in context. The three media, articles from which I have set as weblinks, are used as sources in thousands of Wikipedia articles each. I still do think that they got sufficient significant coverage to be notable. --KnightMove (talk) 14:23, 8 August 2022 (UTC)

Basically everything independently notable about these twins could be condensed to a sentence regarding their Top Gun appearance. Per WP:SINGLEEVENT, a redirect and mention at Top Gun or Top Gun (franchise) is probably sufficient. I'm sure they're fine teachers, but they're not encyclopedia-notable for being teachers.

A further review of sourcing (both currently cited and things I've found externally):

• Bell, Diane (7 July 2018). "Tom Cruise movie sequel takes off without San Diego's 'Top Gun' twins". San Diego Union-Tribune. This is probably the single most significant coverage the twins have received in 35 years (other movie gossip sites refer to it), and it's basically a local human interest piece by a columnist about local boys who made good. From it we learn the twins were cast as extras in Top Gun after their mom took them to an audition. The twins later went to college and became teachers. Much of the short article is based on interviews with the twins themselves or their mother.
• The entirety of their 1985 coverage in Vilitis: A Magazine of Folklore and Folk Dance, is a captioned photograph, reading: "This is Aaron and Adam (or is it Adam and Aaron) Weis (Ver Veis? — Yiddish for "who knows?"). Only loving parents could tell them apart. They are the twin sons of Martha and Dennis Weis of San Diego. The photos were taken during the Mother of Twins Christmas Party." Not significant coverage. Nothing to do with their film role. Citing this in an encyclopedia is almost like holding up a receipt found in a garbage bin and declaring it says here "they once ate at Burger King".
• Facebooks posts and iReport posts do not contribute to WP:GNG.
• Awards given by 826 Valencia are verifiable, but as primary sources they do not contribute to notability unless multiple secondary independent sources comment on them. There are thousands if not millions of local business awards given around the world every year to decent, hardworking employees, but the vast majority of these don't warrant an encyclopedia article.
• From Cinema.com.my, the only salient info regarding the twins is "Bradley was played by twins Aaron and Adam Weiss". Not significant coverage, and not info that requires a stand-alone biography.
• IndieWire does not mention the twins at all, and so cannot contribute to the general notability guideline.
• Of the three sources listed in External links, one is a syndicated reprint of the San Diego Union-Tribune column, and the other two are film gossip websites that merely piggy-back onto the Union Tribune article, verifying that the twins were in Top Gun, and that they talked to the Union-Tribune about not being in the sequel, and the Union Tribune reported they are teachers. Not significant coverage. --Animalparty! (talk) 03:54, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

Well... it does not quite make sense to further discuss this in this place, does it? Will you request a deletion? --KnightMove (talk) 07:13, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

Ping @Animalparty and @Kyle Peake to get this moving again. --LordPeterII (talk) 16:22, 28 August 2022 (UTC)

Given the doubts to notability, I withdraw my nomination - this makes no more sense. Please can you do the formals for me? I don't know where to find them... --KnightMove (talk) 19:18, 28 August 2022 (UTC)

• will now be my vote, which the co-ordinators should pick up on soon; thanks for your honesty! K. Peake 20:47, 28 August 2022 (UTC)

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