Talk:Aarhus/Archive 1

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Fastest growing city in Denmark

ÅRHUS IS BY FAR THE FASTEST GROWING CITY IN DENMARK AND CAN REACH 450.000 IN 25 YEARS ACUORDING TO SEVERAL IN ÅRHUS CITY COUNCIL

Politicians can't predict the future. Let's stick to the present. Valentinian ^{(talk) / (contribs)} 04:16, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

The HORRIBLE Main Image

The main image of Aarhus looks awful! It's such a nice city,so a nicer image should be used. I think a photo of the "River" in the centre would be much better, where you could see all the cafees and spainsh stairs. To be honest any image of Aarhus would be better! Can someone change it? Thanks

If you meant the ArhusCityFromHarbor pic, then 'done'. Either someone really liked pneumatic car ferry ramps or they really didn't like the Arhus article. Anarchangel (talk) 13:04, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

Documentation

The Article says that Aarhus have a metropolitan area of ca. 800.000 people.. I would like some documention on that one. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.162.251.107 (talk) 15:09, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Phrase

"Aarhus city holds almost 300.000 citizens but within a 30 minute drive, there lives around 700.000 people making it by far the second most populated area in Denmark after the Copenhagen area."

Sounds a bit "tourist guide".

I think the population count is rather like 280,000 (year 2002) than 218,000. User:BjarkeDahlEbert

The total number of people in Aarhus Kommune is 288.837 (year 2002) according to http://kommunefakta.netborger.dk/ so 218.000 sounds correct for the city of Aarhus --User:TraxPlayer

The correct number of citizens in Århus is 228.547, as it is mentioned in the list of the largest Danish cities in the Danish Wikipedia. This number is the official one, although some Arhusians dont accept it. Please correct this someone.

By the way, the 700.000 is more of a guess than a fact. The County of Aarhus holds some 680.000, but most of this area, such as Djursland, Randers and Silkeborg is more than half an hour drive from Aarhus.

Anders S

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Its area?

The first sentence of the article states that "Århus (...) is the principal port and bishop's seat of its area of Denmark." The article may probably be clearer if the expression "its area" was replaced by what it means in reality: "Aarhus County"? "east coast of Jutland"? I suggest (but dunno if I am right):

Århus, also spelled Aarhus, is the principal port and bishop's seat of the east coast of Jutland, Denmark.

Cheers. --Edcolins 07:50, August 29, 2005 (UTC)

Kaospilot spam?

I am wondering why the link to Kaospilot was removed? They are renown internationally. Peterssensigur 21:46, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

I removed the external link as a "spam promotional link". I looked at the website quickly, and there was nothing immediately that said that this was anything other than a spam promotional link, at least in this article.

Wikipedia is not meant to be a "web directory" for external links, and I am sure there are many other fine educational institutions in Aarhus and other locations that do not necessarily come onto lists of external links. To me the Kaospilot link is neither characteristic or necessarily noteworth about Aarhus. The other educational institutions listed at least make an attempt to write an article, even though two are still redlinks.

If Kaospilots is internationally known, then perhaps an article about it would be appropriate, so it was clear to the reader what it is, and why it is so important to Aarhus that it belongs in this article. Personally, I think the external link would still belong on the Kaospilot article page and not here anyways. Wikipedia style guide page Wikipedia:External links will better explain what type of links belong where and why. --SFDan 07:01, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

The official website

The official webside of Aarhus city is not as quoted http://www.aarhus.dk/aa/portal/borger/s_english, but http://www.aarhuskommune.dk/portal/english Aarhus Kommune.

(:-) Kurt L . Århus . Denmark

Yep. I've corrected the websites, instead of phony 'official' sites, but in reality commercial sites, we now have a proper description. Craig

That's a bit of an unfair description. aarhus.dk is a perfectly respectable and useful portal. It's not "official" but I don't think anyone visiting it would mistake it for an official "kommune" site either. 130.225.25.207 (talk) 09:02, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

Hello. However phoney and commercial it appears, aarhus.dk is the official website/portal for Aarhus Municipality and citizens alike. The English version reads like a complete commercial advertisement, so I have linked to the Danish native version. That might help a little bit, but let us remember, that we cannot change the reality of things here on Wikipedia, we must simply reflect it. RhinoMind (talk) 04:26, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

Should the sports teams not be Mentioned?

Agf for example —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 83.88.79.44 (talk • contribs) 14:27 14 May 2006 (UTC).

århus has 295,512 citizens in the (kommune) it is by far the fastest growing city in denmark and growing around 2.500 every year. in 1980 it had 245,000 citizens and in 2006 295,512 and it will reach 300.000 in a couple of years. if theres built enough buildings to hold the many people århus can reach 450.000 in 25 years. acourding to several of the people in the city council.

And so what? Speculation, hope and advertisement, that's what it is. That's all fine, but we cannot build a wikipedia article on that. BTW please sign comments or you might be ignored. RhinoMind (talk) 04:33, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

What's a lokomotiv?

"Aarhus is by far the biggest city in the region and will be the natural lokomotiv in the area."

What's a lokomotiv? - Ireneshusband 01:08, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

The Danish word for a train :) The English spelling is locomotive. It is a pretty common metaphor to describe a strong force pulling something else forward. Valentinian ^{(talk) / (contribs)} 20:42, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

Name

As far as I know, the primary official name for the city is Århus.. with the Å. "Aarhus" is an alternate accepted spelling. Therefore I am wondering why the main article is titled as per the alternative spelling.

I have been to Denmark many times - and have had a Danish girlfriend - and can confirm that this is the case. I have been to Århus.. and the name as it appears on all signs in the city, is spelled with an Å.

I intend to move the article to name Århus, with Aarhus being a redirect. If any Danish person thinks they know better and has any objection to this, please let me know here, with the reason. Thanks. EuroSong 11:09, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

It is the same problem with Aarhus County. The confusion must be due to English speakers using the traditional spelling. Since the spelling reform of 1948, all official names are spelled with Å (so this includes both Århus, Ålborg, and Åbenrå.) The names of individual persons are normally spelled in the traditional way. In my opinion this and all similar examples should be moved to the version using Å (keeping the version using Aa as a redirect). After all, it has been the official spelling for almost 60 years. Valentinian ^(talk) 13:09, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

OK.. I shall do the move soon (leaving more time for any others to comment first) - but it has to be said that in the case of Aalborg, it should NOT be moved to Ålborg. Spelling reform aside, "Aalborg" is the primary official name of that city, as used by the city administration itself, and as appears on all road signs and in virtually all Danish books and newspapers. So although the spelling roots of Aalborg and Århus are the same, the current official usage differs - with Ålborg and Aarhus as accepted variants :) EuroSong 13:44, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Ok, I'll like to hear more input on this one. I'm pretty sure Ålborg and Åbenrå are the only spellings officially recognized by Retskrivningsordbogen for these towns (although both of them often use the old spelling.) If anybody doesn't know already, Retskrivningsordbogen is the standard dictionary used in Danish schools. It is edited by the Dansk Sprognævn. Regards. Valentinian ^(talk) 16:28, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

With regard to Ålborg/Aalborg see http://www.dsn.dk/nfs/2002-3.htm . Basically, Dansk Sprognævn want you to use Ålborg but the government refuses to piss off the entire population of Aalborg by enforcing it. 130.225.25.207 (talk) 09:10, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

This should fall under Wikipedia:Naming conventions (use English). While the Danish name is "Århus", in English I have never seen it as anything else than "Aarhus". Likewise the Danish capital is at Copenhagen, not København. You might argue that Aarhus don't have an English name, but in that case we would still have to transliterate the Danish name, and we would end up with Arhus or Aarhus. You might also note that "Dansk Sprognævn" doesn't have 'jurisdiction' over the names of cities and places - that falls under Kulturministeriets Stednavneudvalg. Rasmus (talk) 19:56, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Hej Rasmus.. interesting viewpoint. But then do you also propose that all articles which use any letters which are not in the English language alphabet, be changed to use only English letters? So for example, Severina Vučković should be changed to "Severina Vuckovic" because English does not have č and ć? As far as I see it, both Vučković and Århus are the "proper names" of the person and city, and that proper naming should be maintaned. I think the Wikipedia convention applies to names which do have English versions, like Copenhagen and Kiev (Kyiv in Ukrainian). I did not know that "Aarhus" was an official English version... just a version of choice by English people who do not know how to make the Å on their keyboard :) What do you think? EuroSong 21:37, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

It is an ungoing discussion whether or not to include diacritics (see Wikipedia:Naming conventions (standard letters with diacritics)). However Å is not an A with a ring diacritic, it is a seperate vowel. A better comparison would be the German ß/ss or the Icelandic Þ/th. Anyway, the first question is whether or not "Aarhus" is the most common English name (whether a name is official has no bearing on the article-title. Kyiv is the official English spelling of the Ukrainian city Київ according to the Ukranian government). My contention, of course, is that it is. You might look at the official spellings of things with an English name: University of Aarhus, Aarhus School of Business, Aarhus Convention. Google hits should also give an indication: Aarhus 8,160,000 [1], Århus 777,000 [2], Arhus 306,000 [3], but of course this doesn't show us how many of the hits are due to people not knowing how to type the Å. Rasmus (talk) 12:18, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

As a resident of Aarhus, I would recommend (based on my experience here with regard to the spelling) "Aarhus" for the English article, as this is standard whenever one can't or doesn't feel like typing the "Å".. but what really doesn't make any sense is the statement in the first line "sometimes referred to incorrectly as Århus". Since that's obviously wrong, I'm changing it. 86.52.53.95 (talk) 15:56, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

Either both it should be Århus and Aalborg (danish use) in this article or Aarhus and Aalborg (more international). Right now there seems to be simultanous use of Aarhus and Århus (both referring directly to the city and to names containing the city name) as well as Aalborg and Ålborg. If nobody objects, at least I will change Ålborg to Aalborg. NicolajBjerreNielsen (talk) 15:31, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

The city of Aarhus is officially changing its name on Jan 1, 2011 to Aarhus, from Århus. So that should end this discussion. It is doing it to be more internationally accessible, and since so many institutions in town, like the university, use the Aarhus spelling. [4] 212.242.235.174 (talk) 21:31, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

Should I change it now? 78.156.126.133 (talk) 18:48, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

Yes please. All Å's should be changed to Aa, since the change 1/1 2011. 130.225.22.254 (talk) 13:24, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

The name audio-file is bad.

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IQ Comparison

An article entry reads:

..This highly impacts on the regional IQ average, making Aarhus the provincial city with the highest average IQ in Denmark.[5]

The (provisional) reference contains a breakdown of IQ according to various vapid criteria. We learn, for instance, that the average Renault driver scores 13 more IQ points that the owner of an Austin (presumably an artifact of the small sample sets). Aarhus isn't examined explicitly, but apparently Ostjylland finds itself a couple of points behind Kobenhavn.

Personally, I find the entry rather embarassing. What's the point, exactly? I'm removing the entry. If someone feels strongly about its inclusion, I hope they will put their views forward here first.

--Philopedia (talk) 11:56, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Well, that bit about Aarhus residents being smarter than everyone else is back again; and without any discussion. I stand by my view that the comparison is inappropriate, but I refuse to participate in a reversion war. If other readers think the way I do, I hope they will speak up. Perhaps something can still be done.

--Philopedia (talk) 22:01, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

I did not put the bit there again, but how ever I think it sounds good. Proberly becouse I am from Aarhus myself. --Urbanscape (talk) 13:14, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Ratings

Rated "C", needs to be supported more thoroughly by inline citations and "cn" tags need to be cleared; "High" importance due to regional significance. Folks at 137 (talk) 12:09, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

Metro population

The urban number is right, 239,000. But metro, 1.2 million? Where does that come from? The municipalty is 330,000 (Danish article) Medico80 (talk) 23:03, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

Ugly article

I think this article needs to get pepped up if your know what I mean. Its boring, there is many failures - and the pictures are either awful or boring. Anyone? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.243.180.25 (talk) 12:46, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

Since when did you go around judging articles? Besides its the Wikipedia it doesnt have to be pretty for you to look at. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.237.12.253 (talk) 20:48, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Area for the urban area

It says the urban area is 91 sq. km, but where does that information come from? Statistics Denmark does not calculate the area for urban areas. Also in 2011, Stavtrup has been added to Aarhus urban area. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Christian2381 (talk • contribs) 10:18, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from , 19 October 2011

Intro: It's "East Jutland", not "Eat Jutland".

Kristian78 (talk) 19:50, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

 Done Fixed, thank youZidanie5 (talk) 17:38, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

Suggestions for further improvements

I have added a few expand-templates to the article, some with examples. I was inspired in part by the Copenhagen article. I have also put in suggestions and comments in several sections, that is only visible on the edit-page unfortunately, so I was encouraged to post them here as well. The suggestions reads:

• Topgraphy. There is already some preliminary info on this in the geography section above. That info could be elaborated on and moved to this new section.
• Environmental planning. Examples: On the CO2 neutrality polities and aims of the city, major environmental projects completed and perhaps those planned. See Copenhagen for more inspiration.
• Economy. This section need an improvement, perhaps an expansion.
• Landmarks. I suggest we expand this section and add information on the cityscape, and rename the section to Cityscape as well. Inspired by the Copenhagen article.
• Culture. I suggest this section is expanded and divided into smaller sections. See the Copenhagen article for example.

RhinoMind (talk) 20:28, 19 July 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for these constructive suggestions. I'm glad you were inspired by Copenhagen which we recently managed to bring up to GA level. We are now trying to do the same with Aarhus. I've already implemented one or two of your suggestions and will continue to work on them. The article still suffers from the lack on in-line references. I'll continue to work on them but any assistance would be appreciated.--Ipigott (talk) 20:47, 19 July 2014 (UTC)

On Education. Fine improvements! The section still misses this important network of schools:

• Aarhus Business College
• VIA University College with these two main departments in Aarhus: Aarhus N/In Danish and Aarhus C/In Danish. The Aarhus C campus is under construction at the moment and will combine several departments, that are now fragmented and spread across Aarhus.

Just to let you know. Cheers! RhinoMind (talk) 02:55, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

Climate section?

I was wondering, if the article needs a climate section like the one we have up on the Copenhagen page?

background: From what I have read, the area has a somewhat special local climate. For three main reasons. The most obvious one is, that Aarhus is a coastal city, so the summers are cooler and the winters warmer, than inland areas with the same latitude. The second reason is that the northern slopes of the Aarhus Ådal in the south, are increasing the solar influx, compared to a totally flat area. This is a well known phenomenon and the effects are most prominent in the temperate zones (or higher latitudes), where the consequences are that the earth is heated more than normal for the latitude. This is the reason why many agricultural fields in Scandinavia traditionally are placed on northern slopes (facing south that is), as the phenomenon increases the agricultural output. Thirdly the soil in the tunnel valley of Aarhus Ådal is very sandy, compared to the dense, nutritious and waterproof clay-rich soils of the moraine above. It is old sea floor and snail and mussel shells are everywhere in the soil actually. This has the consequences, that the soils in the valley drains easily and dries out quickly. It is also heated much quicker by the Sun and plants are flowering about two weeks earlier here than normally in the spring for example. This might be seen as just curiosities, but I will find sources if it is judged as important information. RhinoMind (talk) 17:18, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

Yes, a section on climate would be good. Some basic info is available here. DMI should also have data.--Ipigott (talk) 19:55, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

Orphaned references in Aarhus

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Aarhus's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "dsd":

• From Aalborg: "Aalborg" (in Danish). Den Store Danske. Retrieved 21 August 2013.
• From Esbjerg: "Musikhuset Esbjerg" (in Danish). Den Store Danske. Retrieved 31 January 2014. {{cite web}}: Italic or bold markup not allowed in: |publisher= (help)
• From Odense: "Odense – historie" (in Danish). Den Store Danske. Retrieved 26 June 2014. {{cite web}}: Italic or bold markup not allowed in: |publisher= (help)

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 13:43, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

For anyone interested in bot output, these are not identical. It's just my easy way of identifying Den Store Danske refs.--Ipigott (talk) 20:56, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

Environmental planning

I have moved the following discussion here, from my personal page. RhinoMind (talk) 17:25, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

In response to your suggestion, I've added a few lines under this heading but I have unfortunately found very little in the way of achievement. Maybe you can help, either by adding directly to the article or providing me with pertinent sources.--Ipigott (talk) 13:59, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

Hi Ipi. I added the section inspired by the Copenhagen article and because I know it is a serious issue for Denmark and Aarhus not the least. I do not have any overview of current or completed initiatives, but I have a few ideas of headlines that could be followed up.:

• CO-neutrality
• Waste mangement
• Recycling
  • recycling centres
  • recycling of household garbage
  • industrial recycling
• Water
  • Drinking Water. Safeguarding, treatment, etc..
  • Water treatment
  • Dealing with the increasing precipitation (Egå Engsø, rainwater reservoirs)
• Buildings
  • Implementation of environmentally friendly technologies and construction standards. (Electricity, heat, water treatment)
• Traffic.

I will see if I can find good startingpoints.

RhinoMind (talk) 09:32, 26 July 2014 (UTC)

Found a solid fix-point here: Go Green With Aarhus. English available. More later. RhinoMind (talk) 09:44, 26 July 2014 (UTC)

On CO2 neutrality. An offshore wind turbine farm has been planned, financed and accepted for construction at Mejl Flak in the Bay of Aarhus. RhinoMind (talk) 16:07, 26 July 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for all your feedback on this. I would however really appreciate information about the specific progress Aarhus has made on the issue over the past few years. Please feel free to add to the section if you have sources.--Ipigott (talk) 21:06, 26 July 2014 (UTC)

Hi. I believe there is plenty of information on the site I provided, but I can give a few examples that I will follow up with good links:

- Egå Engsø. I was created in 2006 by removing drainage and pumps in parts of the Egå Valley to the north of Aarhus. The lake then created itself of the next few years and became a popular nature site and important spot for birds. The lake is described in more detail on its own page with many links on the details, but the two main reasons was: To create a rainwater reservoir that can deal with the increasing precipitation in Denmark as a consequence of the changing climate. To deal with eutrophication, especially nitrates and phosphor.

- Many rainwater basins has been built in the recent decade in Aarhus. They are usually underground constructions and were built for two man reasons: To deal with the increasing precipitation as a consequence of the changing climate. To clean surface runoff water from toxic substances (from roads, etc.). A large basin can be seen here: [File:Skovtoften 2.jpg]. It is underground and only reveal itself from to many tubes and hatches.

- Årslev Engsø (see also Årslev Engsø) was created in 2003 for mainly two reasons: To ease to nutrient burden of Brabrand Lake and the Bay of Aarhus. Primarily nitrates and phosphor. To create a new wetland area, a habitat type under serious threat in Denmark (and Europe).

- The construction of new buildings are regulated according to specific guidelines. They are better isolated to prevent excessive heatloss and hence more CO2 friendly. They often use recycled material. They often incorporates solar panels. Etc.. I will try to find specific documents on these guidelines and good representive example buildings. Many old buildings have also been renovated to these new standards. a good example is Skovgårdsparken.

- The company of "Aarhus Vand" has just completed a very large water treatment project spanning from Brabrand Lake to the bay of Aarhus. The project had a huge budget and several goals like: Dealing with the increasing precipitation due to the changing climate. Providing fresh, clean and safe drinking water for the future.

- The New Forests of Aarhus has been planted and raised since the late 1980ies around Aarhus.

RhinoMind (talk) 17:53, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

Links

• Go Green With Aarhus. English available. From the discussion above. A solid fix-point.
• Aarhus Vand (English available). A good link about water treatment and strategies in and around Aarhus. Concrete examples.
• Nature and Environment (perhaps English?). From Aarhus municipality. A good overview of policies and administrative responsibilities and links to the many subsections of the environment. RhinoMind (talk) 18:54, 27 July 2014 (UTC)
• Profile: City of Aarhus. an English site with many interesting links to plans, concrete projects, business opportunities, policies, etc., in Aarhus, as seen in a national context. From the national web-site of State of Green: RhinoMind (talk) 20:14, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

I have implemented some of the information on the page now. There s more to be added, but I think the framework is up now. The in-line referencing should be improved also. RhinoMind (talk) 19:49, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

Deletion of a paragraph

The following paragraph was deleted from the article by User:Anosmoman:

In 1998, the Protocol on Heavy Metals was adopted in Aarhus, and had 36 signatories by 2004. The protocol addresses the reduction of cadmium, lead and mercury emissions in the interests of environmental protection.

Refs

I agree that it was perhaps misplaced in the History: 20th century – present section. But perhaps we should move/introduce it to the Environmental Planning section instead? What do you think? RhinoMind (talk) 19:38, 15 November 2014 (UTC)

A way to simplify

If some sections turns out to flood with (important) information, like politics and administration can have a tendency to do, we could perhaps consider to move some of it to the Aarhus Municipality page. It will perhaps require a thorough reading to decide what to move and what to keep, but I think this could be a "window to simplification" to consider in the long run. Thought I would mention it. RhinoMind (talk) 21:30, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

We can perhaps move some of it but it is important to have a politics and admin section in the Aarhus article too. Maybe you can help us to improve coverage of the city council (if it differs from the municipality).--Ipigott (talk) 05:57, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

Important bands

Hi. Many important bands were removed from the Notable people section. Probably because they are bands and not individuals?

They are however important to the musical scene in Aarhus and to the self-image of the city not the least. They represent both the modern and international musical engagement. Could they be added to the culture section? Or is there a better place for them?

Previously the Culture section was divided into subsections (see also talks above), should this be re-introduced also? If no, why not?

RhinoMind (talk) 13:10, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

Problem was fixed soon after. RhinoMind (talk) 19:31, 15 November 2014 (UTC)

A question about referencing

I was curious as to why references had been inserted for issues and people with their own wiki-page? As I see it, this is ref-overkill. Everything is explained and sourced on the wiki-pages themselves, so why is the sources also put into this article? I dont understand it.

However, I have encountered this (to me weird) procedure elsewhere, so maybe there is a good reason, that I am just not aware of? Is it something you have thought about? What do you say?

RhinoMind (talk) 13:20, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

It is a requirement for GA...♦ Dr. Blofeld 06:12, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

Thanks! I guess I can't argue with that :-) At least I aired my opinion. RhinoMind (talk) 00:44, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

For your information. Notablity (and other vital informations) of writers can usually be obtained through this international website: WorldCat Identities by OCLC RhinoMind (talk) 02:14, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

On Notable people

See Dr. Blofeld wrote in an edit that we should "stick to people born in Aarhus". Why is that exactly?

Ipigott and I touched the subject above, primarily because I am and has been confused what would actually qualify or disqualify a specific notable person to be mentioned an the page of a city. Is there objective criteria for this? If so can someone (Dr. Blofeld) link to them, so I can read more? I really wanna know.

As I see it, Notable people on a city's page would be people who have contributed to this particular citys' self-image, its culture, its development and so forth. People who are born in another city and sooner or later moved to Aarhus fx, to write books about Aarhus, to make movies featuring Aarhus, to describe events and time epochs based in Aarhus would indeed qualify to be mentioned as notable people on the Aarhus page fx.. Isn't it like this on other cities pages? People who was born somewhere else, but lived their life in Aarhus would - again as I see it - also qualify to be mentioned even if their work is not centred around Aarhus in particular. Am I right? Can you give some inputs on this discussion please, because this is important before the section on Notable people becomes an irrelevant list. RhinoMind (talk) 00:24, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

If they spent their whole life or the bulk of their life in Aarhus then yeah, I agree they should probably be included. Some of the ones I removed I read the bios and they'd lived in other cities and didn't really seem worth mentioning. If you have sources to indicate otherwise please readd them. I don't think rock bands qualify as "people" though, I'd move them and mention them in culture..♦ Dr. Blofeld 06:11, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

Ok good. I'll look into reintroductions if needed. I had hoped for info/links to "Notable people" criteria, if they exist that is. It has been a recurring issue for me personally, and many other WPns think. It would be nice to know, if there were a consensus about it or not, but I haven't found anything yet unfortunately. RhinoMind (talk) 00:39, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Aarhus/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Jaguar (talk · contribs) 15:53, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

I'll leave some initial comments shortly. Thanks, ☠ Jaguar ☠ 15:53, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

Sorry for the wait. Doing the review now... ☠ Jaguar ☠ 09:51, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

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   B. Images are provided where possible and appropriate, with suitable captions:

7. Overall:

   Pass or Fail:

Initial comments

Lead

• The lead is possibly too long for this article, even though four paragraphs is seen as acceptable for an article this size perhaps a couple of sentences could be cut from the second or fourth paragraph (per WP:LEADLENGTH). It would make a difference, however I wouldn't consider this affecting the GAN.
• "Aarhus Airport, with only a few scheduled flights each day, is located 40 kilometres (25 mi) north-east of Aarhus..." - do you think it would be better to move this half of the paragraph to the third one? The third paragraph seems to talk about landmarks and places of interest while this part of the fourth paragraph seems disconnected?

History

• Picture caption: "Danish resistance celebrating im Aarhus in May 1945" - typo

 Done

• "The Ceres breweries was established in 1856 and served as Aarhus local beer for more than 150 years" - should this be "served as Aarhus' local beer" or "served as the local beer of Aarhus?"

 Done

• "In 1998, the Protocol on Heavy Metals was adopted in Aarhus, and had 36 signatories as of 2004" - this doesn't explain what the Protocol on Heavy Metals is?

 Done --Ipigott (talk) 11:50, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

Geography

• "The harbour was initially to the north of the town and until 1800 was located on the north bank of the river" - how about The harbour was initially to the north of Aarhus and until 1800 it was relocated to the north bank of the river? Or something similar?

I think I've clarified what is meant.

 Done--Ipigott (talk) 11:55, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

Economy

• "In the clean energy sector, Aarhus is home to leading players" - this sounds more like football and not the clean energy sector! How about competitors

Not sure they are competitor so I've called them participants although players is quite common in the business context too.

 Done

• "...the centre is sponsored by Aarhus University School of Engineering, Aarhus School of Marine and Technical Engineering (AAMS) and INCUBA" - what does INCUBA stand for? Assuming it stands for something as the others were explained before it!

It seems simply to be a rather nice-sounding name, probably invoking incubation of new ideas. I wondered myself what it stood for but couldn't find anything. So we'll just have to leave it as it is.--Ipigott (talk) 12:18, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

Ah don't worry about it, it seems fine! Thanks! ☠ Jaguar ☠ 19:34, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

• "The Bryggerient Sct. Clemens brewery and public house and the LGBT Pan Club on Jægergårdsgade are also pf interest" - I've corrected this one myself!

Culture

• The first paragraph in this section seems rather cluttered which makes the prose harder to read. Maybe this could be broken into two smaller paragraphs for better readability?

Worked on the cluttering' problem and reintroduced noteable and culturally important bands (as per talk-page). More could be done. On Jazz. On HipHop. For example. RhinoMind (talk) 13:12, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

• "Aarhus is also active in the library sphere" - just a question here, what is a library sphere?

I don't know what a library sphere is but I have worked for many years in the library sector and can assure you it is often referred to as the library sphere. See this for example. But I've now changed it to sector.

I was just wondering what library sphere meant, I understand the context in which it's used for! Either one is fine, sector or sphere... ☠ Jaguar ☠ 19:35, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

Rephrased the library part. RhinoMind (talk) 12:24, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

 Done

Education

• "As of January 1, 2012 Aarhus University (AU) was the largest university in Denmark " - was or still is the largest university?

English variations

In some parts of the article I've seen uses of British English such as 'labour', 'centre', etc and in other places the article uses American spelling such as 'industrialized', 'realized', etc. This isn't actually going to affect the GAN, but I was just wondering which use of WP:ENGVAR this article should use? I shouldn't see this as a problem though as I've been scarred for life about ENGVAR!

The -ize verb forms are not American. I am English and I have used them for the past 65 years. They are also the preferred forms for the Oxford English Dictionary. Wikipedia sometimes goes too far in laying down rules!--Ipigott (talk) 15:12, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

Yes agreed! Recently there was a discussion I had unintentionally caused about WP:ENGVAR, just got curious as some '-ize' verbs are also American... don't worry, it's fine as it is! ☠ Jaguar ☠ 19:36, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

References

• There are no dead refs and all the citations are in their correct places, meeting the GA criteria.

On hold

This is a well written article even if some of the prose and readability could use some improving. The article is very comprehensive and well referenced too. The lead seems a bit too extensive and some of the prose in the Culture section seems cluttered. But having said that once those concerns have all been addressed then this Aarhus will stand a better chance of passing the GAN. I'll put this one on hold for the standard seven days and once they have been addressed I'll take another look at it. ☠ Jaguar ☠ 11:09, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

I've trimmed the sport covered in the lede. The length looks comparable to our other city GAs now. I've also given the culture section a minor copyedit and reordering to improve flow/quality of prose. ♦ Dr. Blofeld 14:55, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

Close - promoted

Thank you very much for addressing those concerns so quickly and adding more to the article! You'll be happy to know that it now definitely meets the GA criteria, the lead has been improved, the prose has definitely improved and has been polished and the references were fine to begin with. The article is very comprehensive and of high quality - definitely worthy of GA status if not on already on the road to FA. I hear you're also planning to bring Denmark's five largest cities to GA, is Frederiksberg the last one? Anyway, congratulations! ☠ Jaguar ☠ 19:43, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the review! We've now got the top 5 up to GA as Frederiksberg is usually considered as part of Copenhagen I think. It would be worth getting to GA too at some point though. Randers is next though.♦ Dr. Blofeld 20:05, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

Image requests?

Hi everybody. In relation to the current run for GA, I am open to specific image requests for this particular article or Aarhus in general, as I happen to live in the city. Please post your request below and I will see what I can do. RhinoMind (talk) 00:53, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

Some of the hotels and restaurants might be useful. Also some photos of the Aarhus International Jazz Festival, I think you're a few weeks late for it though!♦ Dr. Blofeld 20:03, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

Aawww yeah the Jazzfestival was just a week ago or so and I didn't even attend it really (no money) and haven't got any pics either. There is a Category:Restaurants in Aarhus and Category:Hotels in Aarhus up on Wiki Commons. I have added quite a few to the restaurants cat, but could add even more of course and the hotels cat could also be improved quite a bit. Any specific hotels or restaurants, let me know. Thanks for the inputs. RhinoMind (talk) 22:39, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

I have uploaded quite a few photos of restaurants and some hotels now. I have also uploaded a couple of photos from the 2014 Aarhus Fest. More will follow in these categories, I just have to sort them out and pick the best ones. RhinoMind (talk) 18:03, 26 November 2014 (UTC)

About hotels

Hello. I have reworked the section on hotels in the city. Some places dont exist no more and some new notable hotels have been added very recently. In addition I wrote a few introductory lines to set the business in perspective and describe the overall situation, instead of just a random list of hotel names. The section still misses a bit on the private Bed & Breakfast offers. I will add something later (see here fx. [5]).

Hotel Philip --> Ferdinand

The acclaimed Restaurant Prins Ferdinand in Den Gamle By closed in 2010. Marc Rieper and his wife sold Hotel Philip and the associated café in 2008 to the owners of Restaurant Prins Ferdinand and the place is now known as Ferdinand. The concept is somewhat similar but on a larger premises. The Restaurant Prins Ferdinand is now a Café.

RhinoMind (talk) 23:45, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

Ceresbyen

I've added a cn tag for this: "gradually expanding into what became known as Ceresbyen (The CeresCity)", as I can see no mention of that in the sources cited ("CeresCity" in English seems to be only the cool marketing name of the new development on the old site, so if the claim can be confirmed, I'd recommend not omitting the expected space in the translation here). Belle (talk) 01:33, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

Great and thanks for writing out your concerns in text here. I was curious as to which specific part of the text you felt was missing citation, so thanks. The gradual development of the place is thoroughly documented, so that part is not discussed here. That the place became known as Ceresbyen is documented later in the article and if this is the issue, we could copy a ref from there. I agree that CereCity is a marketing stunt and a more neutral translation should be The Ceres City, when not discussing the current redevelopment project specifically. I think we could agree on that?

I will try to rephrase the sentence and copy a ref. RhinoMind (talk) 22:25, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

Actually CeresByen is the official name of the place now [6]. The commercial and the public/governmental spheres are very often mixed in Aarhus/Denmark and I have experienced this to be quite upsetting to foreigners. I think I understand why, but this is the reality here. Many of the English translations/versions of the municipality's' outreach are extremely commercial in their tone and points of view. I can understand if people find this disturbing, but this is the reality nevertheless... (see discussions above about this issue fx.). I am - however - not going to write it CeresByen or CeresCity, as the place has been referred to as Ceresbyen in local media also. RhinoMind (talk) 22:46, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

Ok, I have replaced Ceresbyen with Ceres-grunden in the History section, to be more neutral and also put in a solid ref. I introduced Ceresbyen in the Economy section instead. In a few years, everybody will be using the name Ceresbyen or CeresByen, so we can change things later on. RhinoMind (talk) 23:12, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

I also added a cn tag for the development of the port but this was removed with no explanation (the first four sentences of that section are not referenced Belle (talk) 10:55, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

Hi Belle. Even though I wasn't the one removing your tag, I think I can explain it. The text sums up a large amount of information that is either explained in detail later in the paragraph (and ref'ed!) or evidenced on independent pages like Aarhus Docklands or da:Aarhus Havn to name a couple. I think you are a bit near-sighted here. I have wiki-linked to Aarhus Docklands in the article now to give some directions that could be helpful.

If there is anything specifically you miss refs on (not citations!), please post some comments below. You are of course also welcome to research and put them up yourself. Let me also remind you (un-patronizingly), that generally there is no need to distrust well-worded information per se, that is not particularly constructive or helpful really. If you feel specific refs are needed, just go and find them, they will most likely be out there and easy to spot usually. That is helpful. RhinoMind (talk) 23:37, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

I really don't know what to say to that; I suppose you'd better ignore my earlier comments. Belle (talk) 00:48, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

A technical question

Hello all tech savvies. I have experienced, that oftentimes web-links includes ['s, especially on bi-lingual sites. This poses a problem, when we wants to use these links as refs or sources here on WP. the square-backets a misunderstood by WP and leads to errors like ref 14 here in this article. What can we do about this ? Is there a way to solve the problem?

RhinoMind (talk) 15:33, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

Like this? (Solution found here.) — HHHIPPO 18:42, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

Ah thanks a lot HHIPPO. Perhaps WP had their own solution? Anyway, it is very useful info about the HTML coding! RhinoMind (talk) 21:40, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

History or Economics?

Hello. I have supplied a bit of information on the economic development of Aarhus. Some is in the history section, while other parts are in the Economics section. I think perhaps something from the Economics section could be moved to the history section, where it would fit better? I am unsure if the Economics should feature historical info or just how the present situation is?

RhinoMind (talk) 18:46, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

Warning issued

I have now issued a warning to User:Anosmoman, voicing concerns about his recent heavy edits, deletions and false information. We can discuss below if necessary. RhinoMind (talk) 17:11, 20 December 2014 (UTC)

I will happily address any issues you bring to my attention. Anosmoman (talk) 19:22, 20 December 2014 (UTC)

Great. I am sorry if the wording of my post come across a little harsh, but the message is important and we need to discuss a few things. Most things are small-scale stuff, but important nevertheless. As a prelude I have posted a couple of issues on your talk-page. I would also like to point out, that in your edits on the "Sports" section, a lot of previous information has been deleted. RhinoMind (talk) 02:42, 21 December 2014 (UTC)

I am not sure I will have all the time I need for this in the coming weeks, but for now I am thankful that discussions are initiated and people have a place to post concerns. I will post more on mine later. Merry Christmas and a happy New Year to all. RhinoMind (talk) 02:48, 21 December 2014 (UTC)

I realize you have spent much time on this article and sweeping changes can be frustrating. My objective from the onset have been to improve the article with the purpose of getting it to FA status and eventually on the front page for the Capital of Culture event in 2017. Obviously there's plenty of time so it's enitrely my fault for not engaging with the long-standing editors and using a more consensual, gradual approach. It's is an important discussion because we obviously all need to agree in what direction to go. The problem in my eyes has been a lack of focus. Since you mentioned the cuisine section I will use this as a starting off point to explain my thinking.

This is the original section:

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Restaurants are numerous in Aarhus and the city presents quality cooking of a large variety and from many places in the world. There are several appraised high end gourmet restaurants serving an international cuisine, like Fredrikshøj, Restaurant Varna, Miró, Nordisk Spisehus, Det Glade Vanvid, La Pyramide, Restaurant ET or Dauphine, all considered among the best in Denmark, together with a broad selection of similar cuisines of a high quality at places like Klassisk Fisk, Pihlkjær, Substans, 65 klassisk, Ferdinand, Mellemrum, Canblau, ART Restaurant, Mefisto or L'estragon. Many restaurants in Aarhus are closed for a number of weeks in the summertime, but still plenty of kitchens are serving.

Aarhus is packed with cafés and bars of all kinds and for all economic capacities. Most cafés offers some kind of dining and some includes a restaurant like Café Casablanca, Café Carlton, Café Cross or Gyngen for example. Several cafés, bars and taverns cater for night revellers, especially from Thursday til Sunday morning. The riverside has plenty of options, but the night can also be spent or celebrated at many other spots around the city, including the modern Train dance club and music venue, Thorups Kælder, an underground bar in a cellar founded by Cisternian monks in the 13th century, Café Under Masken, next to the Royal Hotel, with iron sculptures designed by local artist Hans Krull, the relaxed Ris Ras Filliongongong in Mejlgade, with an award winning beer selection and offering waterpipes, the wine and book café of Løve's in Nørregade and Sherlock Holmes, a British-style pub with live music close to the City Hall, to name a few established and well known places. The brew pub of Sct. Clemens with A Hereford Beefstouw restaurant is also of interest.

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It's useful to look at FAs to determine best practices and get a feel for what is generally included and what isn't. Manchester, Boston Belgrade, Dhaka, Seattle, Istanbul, Kolkata, Hyderabad, Cleveland, Ann Arbor, Michigan are featured city articles. I have not cherry picked these – it's genuinely random picks so absolutely look at others too. Two of them have a section devoted to cuisine talking about customs specific to that region. A couple have single paragraphs, also very general. None of them list restaurants and these are, relative to Aarhus, big cities with famous chefs and venues. Copenhagen lists restaurants in context of michelin stars but it's not common on Wikipedia. Of course that doesn't mean we can't have a section or paragraphs devoted to food in Aarhus but I really feel we need to be critical of what to include and ensure information provides the reader with real insight about the subject matter: Aarhus. Does a list of venues provide the reader with useful information that couldn't be more appropriately supplied through a dining or travel guide or a Cuisine in Aarhus article?

I wanted to shift the focus of the section to things that are unique or special to the area from the perspective of an en.wiki reader. What kind of food is specific to this place. What venues are unique or notable to the local culture. In general I'm opposed to listing venues in part because it's not maintainable – for instance I just noticed Ris Ras Filliongongong is closed – and in part because an article about the city should deal with the subject matter on a general level. I searched for food local to Aarhus or East Jutland but it doesn't seem like there is any. Instead I supplied a paragraph about older venues in an attempt to establish notability and a paragraphs about street food to supply some variety. I trimmed the section because we're writing a lot on the subject relative to smaller articles about much larger cities.

This has been the basis for my edit but obviously I accept that it might not be the right direction to go in. I agree that the section currently deals more with "Food and Drink" than "Cuisine". Please don't take any of this as snark - I'm open to the discussion and will accept whatever direction we can agree on Anosmoman (talk) 08:06, 21 December 2014 (UTC)

Ok this makes some sense of it all. At least you had a constructive plan about it all, although I (and other editors) might not agree with every edit.

I would like to present a quick overview of the articles history and what we have learned from the editing-process so far, in order to facilitate future constructive discussions and avoid too many misunderstandings, etc.. @Ipigott: and @Dr. Blofeld: was instrumental in bringing the article to the current GA level, just a few months ago. We (and a few others) have worked on it since last spring 2014. We was looking at the Copenhagen article to find a way and structure for the article. I supplied much of the information, especially information that is very hard to get in English or from just an outside perspective on the city. I have also written many "supportive articles" in relation to Aarhus (like Skjoldhøjkilen, Marselisborg Forests, Brabrand Lake and Aarhus N to mention a few). I am Danish by birth, was born and raised in the city of Aarhus and currently lives here as well. Ipigott and Dr. Bofeld moved on to improve the Randers article, as they was bent on raising the quality of the articles on major Danish cities overall.

There are several important issues that we have learned in the editing-process, that I would like to share:

• A lot of the information available in English is out-dated or skewed towards tourists only and not so much about the actual situation of and in the city and how life is here outside the season and the tourist-traps. We should look beyond the candy-floss and the sugar coating to provide a balanced image as best we can.
• Simple Google searches will not deliver what is relevant or irrelevant to put in the article. If the search is broadened to include Danish sources, of course this will improve the natural bias and straighten out the distortions somewhat, but still the on-line versions of stuff about Aarhus is not correlated 1-1 with the physical reality. This is a standing problem with just about every issue on Wikipedia perhaps, but it is much more relevant for things and places outside the English speaking spheres.
• Aarhus Municipality has invested large sums of money in order to "sell the city" to foreigners. To attract students, to improve business relations, to attract foreign investments, to carve a place for the city in the international society, to win competitions (like Capital of Culture 2017 fx.). This public-private enterprise can often make it really hard to distinguish what is commercial propaganda and what is real solid information. I can give many examples.
• Aarhus is changing extremely fast these years. This can make it very hard to be updated about what is actually going on. What closes down, what is restructured, what is being build, and so on. Even for a Danish person living in the city.

All this being said (and shared), I would gladly participate in raising the quality to FA level. But as you point out yourself, some consensus on the process would really do good, so let me comment on your strategy:

I see your points about lists and has actually also been trying to rewrite some of the lists into general readable text. I had plans for the night-life section and would have rewritten the list into text mentioning the areas presenting the options and perhaps discussing the diversity of these options overall. This would say a lot more, than just some list. But bear in mind, that the venues mentioned was carefully selected to show the diversity, notability and relevance. So instead of deleting lists, they should be reconsidered and rewritten into something more general and more useful. This is much more constructive.

I do not agree with your agenda of writing the article from an English tourist perspective. This will give a skewed image of the city and since Wikipedia (en) is not a special British Wikipedia, but an international one, I object strongly. As an example of what kind of problems this direction will bring, I would mention the "cuisine" that you are also talking about. Being Danish and living in the city I do not see a plethora of Danish cuisine restaurants. On the contrary. When I go out, I see gourmet restaurants serving an international cuisine, each one inspired by all kinds of ethnic cuisines. I see Thai, Chinese, Greek, Italian restaurants. I see sandwhich, brunch and vegetarian cafés. Falaffel, dürum, kebab. And so on. Diversity as in most major cities. Very few places serves traditional Danish meals. So to write about traditional Danish cuisine, first thing in a cuisine section would give a wrong and skewed impression about reality here. In fact it would be an anachronistic insult. The globalization has made its imprint almost everywhere for the last 40 years and Denmark is no exception. Danish cuisine could (and should) be described in the Danish Cuisine article specifically. That being said, traditional Danish cuisine has seen a revival in the last 10 years or so. The places mentioned (Raadhuus Kafeen, Teater Bodega, etc.) are popular, but they do not dominate the market in any way.

About false information. I think we can agree that false information should be corrected and best of all, avoided in the first place by using solid sources up to date. I will of course continue to point out the mistakes.

• I have already posted some examples on you talk page. Raadhuus Kafeen is not the oldest restaurant in Aarhus.
• No Ris Ras Filliongongong is not closed. If you have read anything about it, it must have been that their cellar-department was closed due to safety concerns.

Let us discuss more about the direction. I hope my first reply here will be found useful and informative in this respect.

RhinoMind (talk) 16:50, 21 December 2014 (UTC)

I haven't abandoned the discussion but Christmas season is a little hectic. You make valid points and I agree with most of it. Just to be clear I don't want to write the article for English tourists but rather for readers of an English Encyclopedia. False information is obviously unacceptable. It wasn't my intention to state that they were the oldest in the city - it was genuinely poor wording. That doesn't make it ok of course it just turns the problem into something else. I'll post a suggestion for a different version of that section in the coming days Anosmoman (talk) 06:32, 24 December 2014 (UTC)

What about the filmcity?

... and the fact that aarhus once was worlds most filmproducing city - well that was early on - before film came with sound... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.177.148.138 (talk) 23:06, 9 February 2015 (UTC)

http://www.stumfilm.no/dansk_filmhistorie_1910_1914_den_store_tid_del_2_a.html :D — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.177.148.138 (talk) 23:16, 9 February 2015 (UTC)

Interesting, thanks for sharing. There is actually a place called Filmbyen (lit.: the film-city). It is located at the harbour, 4-5 stories tall building, complete with studios and all. Several film companies are based in the city. Aarhus hosts several film festivals of a broad variety, including short-films. There are media and film educations also. I don't know if it should go in the article, but just wanted to share some updated info on present times. RhinoMind (talk) 20:28, 10 February 2015 (UTC)

The sound-file is broken

The sound-file for Aarhus in the beginning of the article is broken. The "s" is missing from the pronunciation.

I remember playing the sound-file some months ago, and it was working fine. RhinoMind (talk) 20:24, 10 February 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 October 2015

Please change 'Aarhus City Hall tower from 1942, designed by Hack Kampmann' to 'Aarhus City Hall tower from 1942, designed by Arne Jacobsen and Erik Møller because it is incorrect.

• http://www.archdaily.com/540719/ad-classics-aarhus-city-hall-arne-jacobsen-and-erik-moller
• http://www.kulturarv.dk/1001fortaellinger/en_gb/aarhus-city-hall

Thank you!

Mrnnpdrsn (talk) 15:13, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

 Done - Thanks for providing references - Arjayay (talk) 17:55, 24 October 2015 (UTC)

Assessment comment

The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Aarhus/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.

It's an apparantly thorough article, but there are few supporting citations. I'm not able to comment on the quality of the contents. Folks at 137 (talk) 12:07, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

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Expansion: Environmental planning

Hello. The chapter on "Environmental Planning" should be expanded.

• The newly reconstructed furnaces at the regional power plant of Studstrupværket. Now suitable for burning wooden pellets and a more CO2 friendly production overall.
• The newly constructed treatment plant of Marselisborg Rensningsanlæg. A top notch facility with state of the art technology. Some new innovations that have stirred international interest is the plants ability to generate an excess of power from the treatment procedures.
• Update the info on the incineration plant in Lisbjerg.
• More info on the larger water cycle treatment project for Aarhus.
• More info and descriptions of more facilities on the water rention projects, including the climate adaptations at the mouth of Aarhus River, part of the Urban Media Space project.
• Other info and projects that have slipped my attention for now... there might be info on the former thread on Environmental Planning above that could/should be included as well.

RhinoMind (talk) 19:00, 25 October 2016 (UTC)

PS. Could someone with the right skills perhaps move the link below to their right place? This happens a lot on TalkPages, that links ge "stuck" to the bottom of the page for some odd reason. RhinoMind (talk) 19:02, 25 October 2016 (UTC)

I agree Aarhus has a strong profile in this area and the section could be expanded. Also worth noting is the project Smag på Aarhus. Strictly speaking that could just as well be handled in the Culture or Food/Drink sections though. I think the three main points of the section ought to be Energy, Forests and water treatment.Gardar Rurak (talk) 10:12, 26 October 2016 (UTC)

Hi. I agree with you on the "Smag på Aarhus" project. We also need to at least mention the two new food centres of Aarhus street food and Aarhus Food Market. Not pressing issues, but worthy of inclusion I believe. RhinoMind (talk) 03:41, 27 October 2016 (UTC)

Environmental planning (proposal)

Main article: Energy in Denmark

Årslev Engsø. The lakes and wetlands of Årslev Engsø and Egå Engsø was re-established in the 2000s to help manage the water cycle.

Aarhus has increasingly been investing in environmental planning and, in accordance with national policy, aims to be CO2 neutral and independent of fossil fuels for heating by 2030. The municipal power plants were adapted for this purpose in the 2010s. In 2015 the municipality took over 3 private straw-fired heating plants and the year after a new 77 MW combined heat and power biomass plant at Lisbjerg Power Station was completed while Studstrup Power Station finished a refit to move from coal to wood chips. In conjunction with the development of the Docklands district there are plans for a utility scale seawater heat pump which will take advantage of fluctuating electricity prices to supply the district heating system.

The municipality aims for a coherent and holistic administration of the water cycle to protect against or clean up previous pollution and encourage green growth and self-sufficiency. The main issues are excessive nutrients, primarily nitrogen and phosphorus, adapting to increasing levels of precipitation brought on by climate change, and securing the water supply. These goals have manifested in a number of large water treatment projects often in collaboration with private partners. In the 2000s underground rainwater basins were built across the city while the two lakes Årslev Engsø and Egå Engsø were created in 2003 and 2006 respectively. The number of sewage treatment plants is planned to be reduced from 17 to 2 by 2025. The treatment plants in Marselisborg and Egå are planned to take over all waste treatment and have been refitted for biogas production to become net producers of electricity and heat. To aid the new systems, sewage and stormwater throughout the municipality is planned to be separated into different systems by 2085.

Afforestation projects have been undertaken to prevent groundwater pollution, secure drinking water, sequester CO2, increase biodiversity, create an attractive countryside, provide easy access to nature and offer outdoor activities to the public. In 2000 the first project, the New Forests of Aarhus, was completed which aimed to double the forest cover in the municipality and in 2009 another phase was announced to double forest cover once more before the year 2030. The afforestation plans were realized as a local project in collaboration with private landowners, under a larger national agenda. Other projects to expand natural habitats include a rewilding effort in Geding-Kasted Bog and continuous monitoring of the four Natura 2000 areas in the municipality.

Notes

Rewritten version is 394 words/2,549 characters compared to 343 words/2,263 characters of the previous version. This is a non-trivial increase but much new information has been added. Structure based around energy, water and natural areas. References commented out. Gardar Rurak (talk) 16:27, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

I agree with the topics in your update above. I have some issues though with information left out from the old version and about phrashing. These are not major issues, but I can at least list the following:

• The planted forests only comprise New Forests of Aarhus, no other afforestation plan has been carried out afaik. I would like to keep the information that NFA doubled the forest cover in the municipality AND that future afforestation (which has partly been carried out already) aims to double the forest cover once again. This sets the scale of these initiatives.
• That plans for the future are addressed with words like "expected" and the like in contrast to affirmative words like "will". Goals and plans aren't always carried out as planned. Aarhus' history also tells us that.
• The dates and numbers in the first section, dealing with the power plants, could be summed up by words like "recently" and the like. I believe excessive amounts of dates and numbers can cloud information rather than convey it. Especially in summary sections such as this. Specific and more in depth numbers and info can be placed in specialized articles instead.

Cheers RhinoMind (talk) 20:11, 23 January 2017 (UTC)

By the way: Denmark is on the forefront of organic farming and production and in some areas world-leading (read the section in Economy of Denmark as a quick intro). Perhaps it would be a good idea to include a paragraph about "environment and farming" in Aarhus municiaplity? And in this respect info about organic farming and production as well. The issues of excessive nutrients is already touched in the section as is. Some of this stems from household and industry waste water, but a large part is from farming, which also introduce issues about pesticides and drinking water protection. Farming is a big player in environmental policy. Just an inspirational note of a possibly quite important topic we might have forgot. RhinoMind (talk) 20:21, 23 January 2017 (UTC)

Also: I have been thinking about publishing some information about the pollution sites in Aarhus municipality for quite some time. Personally inspired by the extreme case in Langdalen in Brabrand (Collstrop-grunden), but there are other sites I guess. Possibly old waste dumps leeking, etc.. RhinoMind (talk) 20:35, 23 January 2017 (UTC)

Again: The water cycle environmental policy should hopefully include the Aarhus Bay or at least mention it. The former environmental collapse and possible recent recovery. Just noting while I am at it. My last three posts here could be added later when someone have the time and inspiration for it. RhinoMind (talk) 20:35, 23 January 2017 (UTC)

Cheers. You have some good points and I have attempted to address them in the revised version above. Concerning the mention of forests it wasn't clear to me if the two original sentences referred to the same or separate projects. Concerning ie "expected" instead of "will" I agree.

I also agree it can be unnecessarily convoluted to list the dates. I'm however concerned about terms like "recently" because it may not be clear to the reader what the reference point is. See MoS Relative time references and As of technique. Gardar Rurak (talk) 22:22, 28 January 2017 (UTC)

Climate classification

Wikipedia notes that in the Köppen climate classification Stockholm and Oslo are defined as Dfb - meaning Köppen Group D: "Continental/microthermal climates" in the subcategory "Warm summer continental or hemiboreal climates". In contrast Skagen and Copenhagen are classified as Cfb - meaning Group C: "Temperate/mesothermal climates" in the subcategory "Oceanic and subtropical highland climates", bordering on Dfb classification.

The Department of Civil and Environmental Engineering at the University of Melbourne provided an updated map of the Köppen climate classification in 2007, accessible here:

• Updated Köppen-Geiger climate map of the world
• Map of Europe & Milddle East or Wikipedia's map
• Final paper

If the University of Melbourne believes locations in Denmark can be classified with the Köppen system and this is considered sufficient to classify Copenhagen, Skagen, Oslo and Stockholm with the system on other Wikipedia pages - then I believe it should be acceptable to apply the same rationale to the article about Aarhus. The same logic and rules should apply to all articles. If it's not acceptable to classify Danish cities with the Koppen system then that practice should be stopped across all of Wikipedia. Gardar Rurak (talk) 09:00, 27 October 2016 (UTC)

Thank you for taking time to go into this. I am not well acquainted with the Köppen system, so all I could do as a quick reminder for future editing (and editors) was to state that the climate in Denmark is not a continental climate. Why the Köppen map categorizes nearly all of Denmark as such, is something of a mystery. An explanation that I thought plausible and worthy of investigation was the coarse scale of the Köppen map used on Wikipedia. The map for Denmark has been cut from a much larger global map of rather poor resolution and blown up to its present size. I do not find it authoritative. I don't know if that alone explains why the continental problem came to be, but the map has a coarse scale nonetheless.

Anyway, all these details aside, it must be stated that Denmark has a temperate coastal climate (ie. relatively cool summers and warm winters, compared to continental climates of the same latitude). There is a quick reference here from DMI: On the weather of Denmark. I would say that DMI is a larger authority on the climate and weather of Denmark than anybody else really.

Maybe different climate systems attach different meanings to terms like "continental" and "coastal"? I cannot tell, I am just guessing wildly. I do know that in some cases the scientific community has not reached any consensus on which systems to use universally and maybe this is one such example? Just guessing. RhinoMind (talk) 14:20, 27 October 2016 (UTC)

Yes I agree, let's go with DMI.

The climate zone DMI talks about is Koppen Temperate Oceanic (Dansk: Tempereret kystklima) or "Cfb"  : Group "C" - subcategories "f" and "b"

Group "C" is Temperate - "average monthly temperature above 10 °C in their warmest months, and an average monthly temperature above 0 °C in their coldest months"

"f" means "significant precipitation in all seasons". "b" means "climates are dominated all year round by the polar front, leading to changeable, often overcast weather..... "

We know this because they describe it in the link you provided "I Danmark har vi tempereret kystklima. At klimaet er tempereret, betyder, at vi har mere end 10°C i den varmeste måned og frost og sne i de koldeste måneder (dvs. minusgrader). At vi har kystklima, betyder, at vi har små forskelle i temperatur mellem somre og vintre i forhold til områder med fastlandsklima.".

Tempereret kystklima = Temperate oceanic climate = Cfb

As can be seen on the Koppen map Danmark is split between zone Dfb and Cfb - and DMI may simply use Copenhagens zone as standard.

It seems DMI is ok with the Koppen scale so I think we should continue to use it and we can change the climate zone to Koppen Temperate Oceanic with a ref link to DMI in case anyone question why it doesn't follow the standard model. Gardar Rurak (talk) 17:36, 28 October 2016 (UTC)

Hi. Good idea. Having thought (and read more) about it, I think the "problem" arises because Copenhagen and Skagen sometimes receives weather-systems and wind from the Eastern part of continental Europe and Norway-Sweden respectively, as opposed to the rest of Denmark. This wind is warmer in the summer and colder in the winter for example, as opposed to the winds from the North Atlantic Ocean that blows across the rest of Denmark. It is also reflected partly in the vegetation around Copenhagen, which botanically includes several continental plants that aren't thriving elsewhere in the country. So Copenhagen and Skagen are a bit special. If I dig up some proper useful refs, I will post them here, but for now we have a fix anyway. RhinoMind (talk) 03:02, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

Hello again. I don't know why we didn't implement the conclusions here earlier, but when the cn-note was removed today, I got to work. Done. RhinoMind (talk) 19:24, 14 February 2018 (UTC)

Culture intro

The following is the old intro to the culture section: Aarhus is home to many annual cultural events and festivals, museums, theatres and sports event and presents some of the largest cultural attractions in Denmark. There is a long tradition here in music of all genres and many Danish bands have emerged from Aarhus. Libraries, cultural centres and educational institutions present free or easy opportunities for the citizens to participate in, engage in or be creative with cultural events and productions of all kinds.

• 1) There are no cities that do not have "annual cultural events and festivals, museums, theatres and sports event". It is empty filler that can be applied to any larger city in Denmark or anywhere else.

Well, this issue could be compensated for by being more specific, even though I find the section itself full of specifics as is. The five categories mentioned sums up exactly what the main cultural strengths of Aarhus are. It also sums up the section itself. Not every city are strong in these categories.

• 2) "presents some of the largest cultural attractions in Denmark" was in the revised intro.

Good. Because it is important information.

• 3) "There is a long tradition here in music of all genres and many Danish bands have emerged from Aarhus." is what the second paragraph is dedicated to - and it's also mentioned two other places in the article - in the lede and in the Performing Arts section

Yes, but the intro of this section is the main spot for this information. The other spots could be omitted (theoretically speaking), but not this one.

• 4) "Libraries, cultural centres and educational institutions present free or easy opportunities for the citizens to participate in, engage in or be creative with cultural events and productions of all kinds." Filler that can be applied to any city. It's vague - what does it mean to present free opportunity to engage in cultural events?

Not filler and could not be applied to any city. Answer to question: It means that all citizens has free and easy access to produce, engage themselves in and express themselves in and through culture and art. This is by no means common. Citizens have easy access to workshops (Godsbanen, Dokk1 and Navitas), ways of musical expression, amateur theater groups and movie making, varied physical expression with free standing street sport facilities, sport centres and many large (and often freely available) soccer fields, etc., literature and writing engagements with like-minded people and noteworthy authors (poetry night, writers workshops, literary discussion and study groups), free and easy access to cultural spaces and spaces to express themselves culturally (examples are in the section of libraries in particular), easy (and often free) access to a vast plethora of amateur cultural groups of a vast variety and associations in their daily life (subsidized by the municipality or the state). This is not common. And it is defining for the breadth of the city's cultural life and depth. In many places across the world, culture is elitist and primarily available to an elite, usually the well-off, sometimes not even on a creative level. In many places culture is perceived as nothing more than (quality) entertainment, disregarding the fundamental creative aspects of what culture is.

It's preferable to give the reader information specific to the subject matter instead of generics.

An intro is by definition general in its description. It is backed up by a substantial amount of explanations and examples in the sub-sections. Please read them more carefully.

Gardar Rurak (talk) 00:31, 1 January 2017 (UTC)

Hi. I was the one reverting the intro text. I have addressed each point individually in the post itself. RhinoMind (talk) 01:11, 1 January 2017 (UTC)

Do not alter the posts of others by inserting your own comments into them. It is poor form, does not follow convention and degrades readability.

1) How did you arrive at the conclusion that those five things are the strengths of Aarhus? If you explain your reasoning in the paragraph it is possible it would makes sense to the reader. As it is, you are simply listing five things that practically all larger cities have. In my view the young population and the natural areas are unique to Aarhus. The young population follows logically by being the youngest and i.e. Copenhagen does not have forrests literally in the city enter. Aalborg, Odense, Copenhagen etc by contrast all have cultural events, festivals, museums, theatres and sports events.

2) 3) Yes.

4) That makes sense but it's not obvious from the blurb in the intro. You just spent 220 words to explain a 30 word sentence. It genuinely does not mean anything without a more in depth explanation. Navitas, Godsbanen, Dokk!, Folkestedet, Værkstedet in Søndergade, OSAA etc are democratic public cultural spaces and that could be a good angle but it needs to be reworded in a less vague way. You could apply that sentence to Aarhus, Copenhagen, New York and Tokyo and it would technically be true in all cases. When it's so vague that you can apply it to things that are so different it de facto has no meaning.

Gardar Rurak (talk) 10:46, 1 January 2017 (UTC)

1) The section itself serves to prove the point here. And even if something is common, doesn't mean it should be left out. This holds true for any article. If specific terms describes and outlines a subject, they should be in an article, no matter how common they might be. I should have stated that too in my first comments above, but forgot. Anyway, here is a short explanation of why some of the topics should be mentioned specifically:

Festivals: Aahus hosts some of the largest festivals in the country. Aarhus Festuge is the largest cultural festival in Scandinavia. Having stated that, I find the images representing the festivals of Aarhus very odd.

Museums: Again some of the largest and most important facilities in the country.

Theatres: An unusually diverse scene. That alone qualifies for mention. In addition, only Aarhus, Copenhagen and Odense offers State-approved educations for actors in Denmark

Sports: Aarhus has some of the largest sports facilities in the country and hosts a large number of both nationally and internationally important events. Only in Aarhus and Copenhagen can sports be studied at university level.

4) I agree that it would be a good thing to include more precise and explaining text about this in the article. It might seem strange why I write so much about the issue here on the TalkPage, while the one-sentence text in the article is so general and "vague", but that has to do with proper sourcing. It would require a thorough sourcing to put more info in the article and I am not even sure I myself have really grasped the extent of the policies behind the democratic access to cultural expression in Denmark and Aarhus in particular. I would like to know more myself. It would require some work and research that I haven't found the time to do yet. It is still an important issue though and the examples in the article are currently enough sourcing for it to at least be mentioned. I welcome everyone interested and dedicated to present more thorough information on the issue within the article. That would be great. RhinoMind (talk) 13:40, 3 January 2017 (UTC)

Forking is a great tool in general. It is not poor form, unconventional and degrading and neither does it alter anything in other peoples posts. In this case I respect you view, point taken. RhinoMind (talk) 14:33, 3 January 2017 (UTC)

General comment: I would really like for the future, that when you encounter some pieces of text or information that you find is too general, redundant or superficial, you would not delete it. It is an editorial tendency you have and it is often disruptive and degrading of the content of articles and sometimes also disrespectful of other peoples contributions. It is much more constructive and productive to elaborate on such issues, ie. to gather more information yourself and add to the content. If you are not able to do it or do not have the time, we as editors have the options to insert templates or make call-outs here on the TalkPage. Sometimes there are truths in there that just needs to be opened up and elaborated on, not deleted. In a project like Wikiepdia where information is everything, deletions are always a last resort. Please try to be more careful, thoughtful, curious and constructive in your editorial habits. RhinoMind (talk) 13:56, 3 January 2017 (UTC)

I think it should be contextualized better and is not particularly representative of the city. I won't engage in revert wars so I'll wait until I eventually bring the article up for review and impartial mediation. As for removing information - I have removed information before of course but sometimes you have to. When I returned to this article there were sections devoted to historic companies such as KfK/JAF or one event dominating the WWII section. It's improper for a general article about the city and if you can't remove such things when it has been put in it becomes impossible to improve without bloating. That doesn't mean I haven't been too brazen or wrong but in the end it's a value judgement.

As for pictures - We don't have a lot of non-outdated quality photos of events in Aarhus and quality is important. We could use "Aarhus Pride, 2012, start of day.jpg" for Aarhus Pride instead given that the title is visible on the banner. The boat races are unique to Aarhus though and is a fairly large event so I don't really see why it's a problem albeit I haven't gotten around to creating the subsection on the university page yet. "The Ford, Summer.JPG" does capture the mood of Aarhus Festuge so maybe that could work instead although it has brightness issues. Incidentally I don't agree with the choices you have made for the Food, drink and nightlife section - I think wider shots of larger areas is better - ie. the market at Ingerslev rather than a closeup of a food truck or a pan of Åboulevarden or similar to show "a large variety" of restaurants rather than one restaurant. At any rate it's subjective.

I'd like to expand the CityScape section to include a little information about boroughs and districts - Øgadekvarteret, Finnebyen etc - and talk a bit about urban planning now and then. When that's done move the Before/After picture to the CityScape section as a representation of urban planning development in Aarhus. Then remove the panorama of Bispetorv from the Landmarks-section as it is now outdated and replace it with the image of Toldboden from the Industrialization section as it contains 3½ landmarks - Toldboden, Cathedral, Cathedral School and partially Pakhus 13. In it's place, in the industrialization section, put in a pic of the Five Sisters - industrial architecture for the industrial section.Gardar Rurak (talk) 16:03, 18 January 2017 (UTC)

By the way, The Culture section lacks info about the film scene in the city. Just noting. And... Happy New Year btw ! RhinoMind (talk) 01:20, 1 January 2017 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 17 September 2017

Under the "Etymology" section, please change

;Aarhus/Århus spelling

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=== Aarhus/Århus spelling ===

or to

=== Spelling ===

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Done SparklingPessimist ^{Scream at me!} 16:01, 17 September 2017 (UTC)

Government  • Type Magistrate

The government type is listed as "magistrate". The linked article contains nothing related to this type of government. I think that "magistrate" in English does not mean what "magistrat" in this sense does in Danish.

What it means is that the department heads are elected by and from the municipal board by proportional election. A party with enough seats on the board will get a member of the magistrate, who will head a department, even if the majority of the board is against it. I have no idea what this form of government is called in English. --Klausok (talk) 07:09, 28 September 2017 (UTC)

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Pronunciation

Is the first vowel correct? I would use [ɔ] or [o]. --Per W (talk) 06:50, 7 December 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 January 2020

please remove "This has led to a significant increase in crime in the Gellerup and Brabrand suburbs of Aarhus" and "This has resulted in several ghettos, defined as residential areas with high levels of crime and with a high percentage of inhabitants from outside of Europe, with Gellerup as the most notable neighbourhood" from the article. I have detailed several reasons below.

The reason for this is there is unecessary information that is discriminatory in the Demograhics section, specifically pertaining to linking crime to immigration. There is ample academic evidence reputing this eg https://www.ceps.eu/system/files/Criminalisation%20of%20Migration%20in%20Europe%20J%20Parkin%20FIDUCIA%20final.pdf from a quick google. The referecnce anyway used is wrong. This information is wrong and arises from a sampling bias should not be perpetuated by Wikipedia. There is also bias in the coverage in the section talking about ghettos. This information is also wrong and unecessary and besides does not have a balanced approach also describing the more affluent areas, after all this is a section in demographics. A more balanced approach is to introduce a section on crime in the city however being careful not to spread harmful ideas of immigration causing crime which has benn shown over and over not to be true. 185.45.22.148 (talk) 17:56, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

Well, like it or not, and feel free to interpret the facts as you want, but the very reason Gellerup (and other areas) are on the official Danish ghetto list are an increased criminal rate compared to other residential areas. It is firmly documented. And these results can not be disputed by a European-wide meta-survey. That is not how it works.

Before you raise your own interpretation of the facts to general lore, I would like to point out, that many other interpretations are possible. One is that integration politics in Denmark has failed badly. Other scholars are actively studying this path, so I am not grasping it out of thin air. RhinoMind (talk) 21:48, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

Back. I have now trimmed the text a bit and supplied missing references with the most recent information from December 2019. In that proces, I do agree that the sentence linking high levels of immigration directly to high levels of crime, was too extreme to be backed up by facts. As a group though, male immigrants from non-Western countries do have a much higher crime rate, that is undisputable. However, that subject does not tie directly to the ghetto issue and is better discussed elsewhere. RhinoMind (talk) 22:25, 28 January 2020 (UTC)