Talk:A Song of Ass and Fire

Latest comment: 5 years ago by 69.124.116.101 in topic Saw

Please do not add mention of pop cultural references, continuity notes, trivia, or who the targets of a given episode's parody are, without accompanying such material with an inline citation of a reliable, published, secondary source. Adding such material without such sources violates Wikipedia's policies pertaining to Verifiability, No Original Research, and Synthesis.

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Saw edit

As a musician, I can tell you the background music in this episode features melodic and rhythmic elements of the main theme of the Saw movie franchise. It's even written in D minor. Why isn't that mentioned anywhere? Does South Park have the permission? If not, that would be copyright infringement. I'm not here to cause any trouble, but it would be interesting why the music resembles the Saw theme.--2.245.187.254 (talk) 22:47, 30 December 2013 (UTC)Reply

Wikipedia requires that the material in its articles be accompanied by reliable, verifiable (usually secondary) sources explicitly cited in the article text in the form of an inline citation, which you can learn to make here. Secondary sources (and not primary ones) are required for especially for any material regarding a work of fiction that is evaluative, analytical or interpretive.
How exactly would not including it be copyright infringement? Nightscream (talk) 14:33, 31 December 2013 (UTC)Reply
Yes, I cannot provide any sources on this topic, so it won't be included in the article. I'm just so desperate that I'm the only one who notices the similarities. South Park would commit copyright infringement if they didn't have the permission from Charlie Clouser.--2.245.84.132 (talk) 21:25, 19 January 2014 (UTC)Reply
Not if it's used as a form of satire or parody. That's an exception to copyright infringement. It's how publications like Mad magazine can publish parodies of movies and TV shows that closely follow the plot of the original TV show or movie without fearing copyright lawsuits. Nightscream (talk) 22:00, 19 January 2014 (UTC)Reply

The Japanese Princess that Kenny transmogrifies into, that's a reference to a video arcade game. Can somebody provide the name of that game? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.124.116.101 (talk) 10:28, 23 September 2018 (UTC)Reply

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