Talk:2nd Red Banner Army/GA1

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Reviewer: Peacemaker67 (talk · contribs) 22:36, 19 December 2017 (UTC)

This article is in pretty good shape. A few comments from me:

• WWII is linked twice in the lead

• Done.Kges1901 (talk) 02:02, 20 December 2017 (UTC)

• it obviously operated under several names. Should any of the alternatives be bolded in the lead per MOS:BOLDSYN?

• Done.Kges1901 (talk) 02:02, 20 December 2017 (UTC)

• the lead should probably mention that it underwent several re-organisations and quite a few of its formations were sent to the west as reinforcements during WWII

• Done.Kges1901 (talk) 02:02, 20 December 2017 (UTC)

• "that served in the Far East as part of the Soviet Far East Front" is a bit redundant, you could quite reasonably drop "in the Far East".

• Done.Kges1901 (talk) 02:02, 20 December 2017 (UTC)

• the award of the Order of the Red Banner in the infobox is unsupported in the body

• Done. Added information that it inherited the Far East Front's Red Banner when the latter was split in 1938.Kges1901 (talk) 02:02, 20 December 2017 (UTC)

• suggest "spent the bulk of WWII guarding..." to accommodate the Manchurian campaign

• Done.Kges1901 (talk) 02:02, 20 December 2017 (UTC)

• suggest "The 2nd OKA included..."

• Done.Kges1901 (talk) 02:02, 20 December 2017 (UTC)

• some more brief info is needed about the Battles of Khalkhin Gol. Just a mention that they involved a series of border clashes between the USSR and Japan in Manchukuo.

• Done.Kges1901 (talk) 02:02, 20 December 2017 (UTC)

• it isn't clear why the Far Eastern Front was Red Banner when the 2nd Army was created, but not when it was recreated. Can you clarify? Also, did it have a abbreviation?

• Attempted to clarify this above; it 'lost' the award when the Red Banner was given to both 1st and 2nd Armies in 1938. When the front was reformed the award was not mentioned as part of the front's designation. The abbreviation for Far Eastern Front, transliterated from Russian, is DVF, but I didn't include it because the front is not mentioned frequently.Kges1901 (talk) 02:02, 20 December 2017 (UTC)

• "headquarters of the 2nd..." I suggest giving its full name immediately instead of in the next sentence, otherwise it may cause confusion as to whether there were two armies

• Done.Kges1901 (talk) 02:02, 20 December 2017 (UTC)

• "sent reinforcements to the front" I assume this is the front in the west of the USSR? What was it referred to as by the USSR? Should be clarified.

• Done. The forces on the Eastern Front itself were called the 'active army', and I've added Eastern Front as a link for clarification.Kges1901 (talk) 02:02, 20 December 2017 (UTC)

• it isn't clear why some fortified regions are redlinked, and others are not

• Made it consistent.Kges1901 (talk) 02:02, 20 December 2017 (UTC)

• to be consist and clear, once you've introduced SmAD, 2nd KA and VVS as abbreviations, use them, for example 31st SmAD

• Done.Kges1901 (talk) 02:02, 20 December 2017 (UTC)

• so the 95th SmAD became the 95th IAD then back to 95th SmAD between August and October 1941, and then back to 95th IAD then 95th SmAD in December? What was that about, the aircraft it operated?

• Aviation divisions were divided into regiments. Fighter divisions only included fighter regiments, but mixed divisions could have a mix of fighter and bomber regiments.Kges1901 (talk) 02:02, 20 December 2017 (UTC)

• did "a separate cavalry regiment" have a designation?

• Probably not as its designation isn't in the official order of battle. Kges1901 (talk) 02:02, 20 December 2017 (UTC)

• was the 101st Fortified Region part of the 2nd KA? If so, clarify, if not, I'd specify that they were no longer on the 2nd KA orbat

• Done.Kges1901 (talk) 02:02, 20 December 2017 (UTC)

• the VVS/Air Force's are a bit confusing. I suggest each time you use the combination "VVS of the 2nd KA" or "VVS of the Far Eastern Front"

• Done.Kges1901 (talk) 02:02, 20 December 2017 (UTC)

• 96th SmAD was converted to a fighter division? What was its designation? IAD?

• It did become an IAD, but I wrote above that the fighter division abbreviation is IAD.Kges1901 (talk) 02:02, 20 December 2017 (UTC)

• "four rifle brigades were used to form" probably needs some qualification, perhaps "during the early part of 1945, its four rifle brigades were used to form..." then which the four divisions were isn't immediately clear, 342nd, 345th, 396th and 355th? Suggest listing them, and then detailing what happened to them, including clarifying that the 87th Rifle Corps and Chuguyevka Operational Group were not part of the 2nd KA and thus these were transfers out of 2nd KA.

• Clarified and modified sentence structure, my original sentence was very unclear if you interpreted it that way.Kges1901 (talk) 02:02, 20 December 2017 (UTC)

• what rank was Purkayev?

• Done.Kges1901 (talk) 02:02, 20 December 2017 (UTC)

• The first Glantz book isn't used, suggest moving to a Further reading section

• Done.Kges1901 (talk) 02:02, 20 December 2017 (UTC)

• the map is currently nominated for deletion. I can't pass this (with the map included) until that is resolved.

• @Peacemaker67: I have replaced the old map with a new public domain map that focuses on the army's operations.Kges1901 (talk) 14:01, 20 December 2017 (UTC)

• I suggest creating full citations using the cite web template for the mechcorps pages, then just using a shortened citation for the footnotes. This will tidy up the References section and allow you to use 30em or even 20em to create columns on wider screens (not a GA requirement).

That's me done. Placing on hold for the above to be addressed. Cheers, Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 00:16, 20 December 2017 (UTC)

This article is well-written, verifiable using reliable sources, covers the subject well, is neutral and stable, contains no plagiarism, and is illustrated by an appropriately licensed image with an appropriate caption. Passing. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 23:22, 20 December 2017 (UTC)

69th Motorized Division

This division is listed as present with the army by Niehorster on 22 June 1941. Our 69th Rifle Division (Soviet Union) article does not support this - probably needs a BSSA check. Buckshot06 (talk) 00:36, 20 December 2017 (UTC)

• The article was very outdated, have updated it. Kges1901 (talk) 02:24, 20 December 2017 (UTC)