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Investigation on Opposition - Not an election issue

Hello @Borgenland

I noticed you reverted my edits to the "Investigation into opposition" section. Could you please explain why you added this section under Election Issues? None of the citations seem to provide enough evidence that this is an election issue, which appears to violate WP:REL and WP:OR guidelines. The highlighted issues - here, do not seem to include the topic you added. Please provide reliable sources to support your reasoning.

Thanks. SpunkyGeek (talk) 18:39, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

I had already placed more than enough multiple WP:RS to explain their relation in the elections, particularly that the Congress party has commented on the arrest of Kejriwal, the leader of the nation's capital and not some village leader (as I ought to have explained in the edit summary), which also explains why Kejriwal received significant attention outside the country during the campaign, and the washing machine reference which was picked upon by reliable sources. As for the tax predicament, I did initially use the word evasion but was overruled by subsequent editors citing doubts over the credibility of authorities on whatever to call it. Same issue goes with the corruption word. For transparency I was not responsible for any additions involving India-based refs due to prior concerns on reliability. On a friendly note, I strongly advise you not to rely on a single source, which although I regard as credible, can only tell so much. Borgenland (talk) 18:46, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

The sources cited do not provide evidence that Kejriwal's arrest is a significant election issue for voters in the 2024 Lok Sabha elections. They primarily discuss election news and not voter concerns. The Lok Sabha elections cover the entire country, with the Aam Aadmi Party (AAP) contesting only 22 out of 543 seats, indicating limited national impact. Without concrete evidence that Kejriwal's arrest is influencing voter priorities on a broader scale, including it as a major election issue may violate Wikipedia's guidelines on WP:REL and WP:OR. Therefore, the inclusion of this topic as an election issue miust be reconsidered.

Similarly, the discussion of the Congress party's funds predicament lacks sources that specifically identify it as an election issue for voters. Even publications like the BBC do not list it as a significant concern for voters in the 2024 Lok Sabha elections. Therefore, these reports appear to be news coverage rather than evidence of voter priorities. Including this topic as an election issue seems to constitute original research, aiming to present it as a voter concern without proper verification, which may violate Wikipedia's guidelines on WP:REL and WP:OR.

Thanks. SpunkyGeek (talk) 16:53, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

In that case I would be open to moving it to another section in this article. But at this stage I do not see reason to remove it altogether, as the events are too significant to be swept under the rug. Borgenland (talk) 16:57, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

Thank you, @Borgenland, for acknowledging this as a valid concern.

For now, I suggest moving these information pieces to the respective party campaigns. Please relocate the Congress Party funds information here, and create a new section for the AAP where you can move the related information. SpunkyGeek (talk) 17:11, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

Done, but I am still working on delineating the AAP in the investigations section, given that they happen to be the most prominent example in that case. Will take a while on that. Borgenland (talk) 17:18, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

Duplicate titles

Need ideas on renaming duplicate sections (see party/coalition names) to avoid linking to the wrong chapter per reload or edit. Borgenland (talk) 17:11, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

Sambhal incident

Sambhal alleged voter suppression ought to mentioned in the Incident subsection. DataCrusade1999 (talk) 15:40, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

The seats of Kashmir have been re-demarcated, after delimitation in 2022, but the national map have not been updated

Source:https://pib.gov.in/PressReleasePage.aspx?PRID=1822939, Wiki:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:J%26K_AC_map_new.pdf, https://ceojk.nic.in/pdf/J&K%20AC%20map%20new.pdf LakhnawiNawab (talk) 12:29, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

Region-wise result - Consensus Required

Providing region-wise result is a new practice, as the same was not provided in pages for previous election. As with anything new, a healthy discussion is always a good practice before its implementation.

Following are the points I am placing,

1. The division of Indian states based on cardinal directions can be perceived as arbitrary since there are many definitions prevailing in public. To elaborate, the following is an extract from another Wikipedia page which pertains to "North India" : The Hindu newspaper puts Bihar, Delhi and Uttar Pradesh related articles on its North pages. Articles in the Indian press have included the states of Bihar, Gujarat, Jharkhand, Madhya Pradesh, and West Bengal in North as well.
2. The table as of now takes only the states of Odisha and West Bengal as East India, whereas the Wikipedia page for East India also considers Bihar and Jharkhand as part of East India, so does the Zonal Councils. And then as stated above, a prominent newspaper, reports news of Bihar in its North India section.
3. Except for South India, and North East India, all other groupings are capable for producing confusing inferences within readers.
4. Things become more complicated if one assumes geography as the basis - southern half of the state of Maharashtra is as south as almost the entire state of Telangana, which is categorized as South India. Also, Rajasthan can be considered as a Western, Northern or North-Western State.
5. Even within the Government, different Ministries have their own way of dividing regions based on cardinal directions - Eg: Ministry of Culture (Cultural Zones of India), Home Ministry (Zonal Councils of India)
6. Still the data can be useful to the readers. Hence, if one were to include the table, what comprises as the said region should be provided readily.

MrMarshMan (talk) 16:45, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

I recall someone did try to make a regional table months ago but got taken down citing WP:OR. Borgenland (talk) 16:51, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

I didn't know about that, saw the table for the first time today. and thereby felt like discussing it. MrMarshMan (talk) 17:02, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

It seems like that the table is here to stay, which makes consensus building more pertinent before an edit wars start. MrMarshMan (talk) 06:51, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

The one who removed it hasn't been back. And honestly I won't be keen on having a regional table that would be the source of future edit wars given your insights into these different parameters. Borgenland (talk) 12:50, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

Redundancy in INC manifesto

There is a redundancy of the phrase "the manifesto promises to" before every point provided under INC Manifesto subsection. It inhibits fluency in reading and therefore needs to be removed MrMarshMan (talk) 08:39, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

Made some fixes but the provisions need to be checked to make sure they aren't copy pasted from the original document. Borgenland (talk) 08:48, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

Rahul Gandhi as PM candidate

Congress President Mallikarjun Kharge has put forward the name of Rahul Gandhi for his PM choice. Should we replace his name and image with of Rahul Gandhi's in the info box since he himself supported his candidature? Kalpesh Manna 2002 (talk) 12:14, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

I disagree, Congress President Mallikarjun Kharge has presented Rahul Gandhi's name as his personal preference rather than as a declaration of the position of the INDIA alliance neither explicitly nor tacitly. So I suggest we should wait for some time.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/our-great-leader-rahul-gandhi-is-my-pm-choice-kharge/articleshow/110605128.cms MrMarshMan (talk) 16:33, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

Total Number of seats contested by BSP

In the sub-section "Other Notable Parties and Alliances". the total number of the seats for which BSP contested has been mentioned as TBD. MrMarshMan (talk) 11:35, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

Additional Data for Voter Turnout

The phase-wise voter turnout data officially released by the Election Commission of India is trifurcated into Male, Female and Third Gender. Since the data is official and adds to the comprehension of the reader, I recommend an addition of a small table below the state-wise breakup, enumerating a phase-wise gender-wise matrix, or if it does not make the state-wise table cumbersome, which I believe will, then within the state-wise table itself.

Below are the links provided pertaining to the said data:

Primary Source - Official Press Releases as available on the ECI website:

1. Phase 1 and 2 : [1]https://elections24.eci.gov.in/docs/Gw9Dq3DfAm.pdf

2. Phase 3 : [2]https://elections24.eci.gov.in/docs/ioeEd7iHPy.pdf

3. Phase 4 : [3]https://elections24.eci.gov.in/docs/Ox65vXgP2R.pdf

4. Phase 5 : [4]https://elections24.eci.gov.in/docs/grfYnWoV4R.pdf

Secondary Source

Original Link : https://www.business-standard.com/elections/lok-sabha-election/lok-sabha-polls-women-turnout-bettered-that-of-men-in-fifth-phase-124052301530_1.html

Archived Link : https://web.archive.org/web/20240524132213/https://www.business-standard.com/elections/lok-sabha-election/lok-sabha-polls-women-turnout-bettered-that-of-men-in-fifth-phase-124052301530_1.html. --MrMarshMan (talk) 03:14, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

It has been a long time since I made this suggestion. I would like to draw everyone's attention here again, as its inclusion will make the voter turn out data more representative. MrMarshMan (talk) 12:41, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

Verifyability: Citations no longer online:

Citations to Voter turnout that lead of a Govt Press Release appear to be saying ' The Page you have requested is not available at present. Sorry for your Inconvenience. Click here to go back  If the problem persists, please contact admin.' . No archive. Tanyasingh (talk) 17:43, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

Impact - Last section of page incorrectly written

However, on the day the election results were announced, the Sensex crashed to the worst level in 4 years. This is incorrectly worded, it should rather mean a single day fall in 4 years, not to the worst level in 4 years. Clarkck (talk) 13:57, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Results section showing incorrect information

BJP got 235,973,935 votes as is rightly mentioned in the infobox on the top. But in the Results section ('By alliance and party' subsection), it is incorrectly shown as 157,039,540. All the final vote tallies of the different parties are available at https://results.eci.gov.in/PcResultGenJune2024/index.htm and can be put as such on wikipedia Priyank1205 (talk) 11:16, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

Merge Proposal

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Suggest merging Results of the 2024 Indian general election into the current 2024 Indian general election page per WP:DUP and WP:Overlap. The general elections overall page already has a robust section on results, broken out by the same categories as the results specific page (alliance, state, constituency), and so am not sure what the new page is adding. Plus there are bound to be referencing issues with that page (currently no references listed) and I anticipate the % change calculations will be difficult to support through WP:RS, so we'd be treading on WP:OR. Schwinnspeed (talk) 20:22, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Against; The Election Commission releases documents that accurate describe the %votes polled a few days after the initial results, they were used in Results of the 2019 Indian general election thereby following WP:OR. The same pages have been made for 2014 and 2019 with a more concise section the main article for results, this ongoing policy should be followed here too. Xoocit (talk) 21:29, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Against ; There is already an article for the 2009, 2014 and 2019 one, why merge this one? 52Timer (talk) 01:44, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

Against; The results page provides a detailed, extensive breakdown be state and constituency which would be very cluttered if included in the main election page. This continues the policy followed for previous general elections in '14 and '19. Tagore01 (talk) 04:33, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

Against ; This should be retained, in-line with 2009, 2014 and 2019 election results. -Vijethnbharadwaj (talk) 19:23, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

Against;The results in the page is described more in detail than that of the page of election. Another reason can be because there is already the result pages for 2009,2014 and 2019. We should follow the same.

By Piruty Pipaty (talk) 00:24, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Time to add a map?

Considering the ECI has declared every seat and results are being updated on the page, I thought now might be an appropriate time to add a map for the results. I made one here, but it doesn't necessarily need to be this: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Indian_General_Election_2024.svg . Not sure if it's too soon, but just putting it out there just in case. ExactlyIndeed (talk) 14:32, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

@ExactlyIndeed I agree. Can I recommend making state boundaries clearer? See File:Indian General Election 2019.svg for example Soni (talk) 14:38, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

@Soni Just updated them to the same thickness as on the 2019 map. The file I linked earlier should now reflect the changes. ExactlyIndeed (talk) 15:21, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

Added. Pretty decent map, thank you. I recommend adding lines with the arrows to each of the zoomed in cities, it's pretty hard to read without them. I can't think of other QoL changes that could be made comparing the 2019 map, but I reckon there's still more we can eventually iterate on. Soni (talk) 15:45, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

@Soni I can definitely try do that, but it might be hard because of the distance between the insets and their respective sections on the full map. I could re-arrange the insets to make that work, though. The other idea I had was to add boxes around the zoomed-in areas on the full map, and only include constituency numbers for those areas in the insets, if that makes sense. ExactlyIndeed (talk) 16:15, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

We can iterate over the options and see which one is easiest to understand. There's a lot of maps like this, but none of them have perfected it.

I honestly think any party which won less than 5 seats at the Lok Sabha should be bundled under "NDA (Other)", "INDIA (Other)" or "Other (Other)". There is just too many parties with similar enough symbols that this map is fairly unreadable with the colours as they are. Maybe any national parties plus those with at least 5 seats. Otherwise the maps will keep being pretty unreadable. Keeping it to parties with 5+ seats would give us useful info but limit it to the most pertinent. Soni (talk) 16:40, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

@Soni Just simplified the list of parties and updated the current file. I've also posted an alternate version of it on my userpage with a different way of displaying the insets. Let me know if it's any easier to understand. ExactlyIndeed (talk) 00:36, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

I think I like it as is better. Good job, thank you Soni (talk) 07:07, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

@ExactlyIndeed In maharashtra constituencies numbered 13 and 14 have been won by Shivsena(UBT) not INC please change the colour from blue to the colour of SS(UBT) Supercanonx (talk) 15:17, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

Its 14 and 15 not 13 Supercanonx (talk) 15:19, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

Results discrepancy

The current results table shows the total number of seats won by the INDIA coalition to be 234 while, for example, NDTV lists it as 232. Can someone figure out the source for this discrepancy? And also cite sources for this and other results in the wikipedia article so that they comply with WP:V. Abecedare (talk) 15:19, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

alliance seats of NDA is wrong too it shows as 303 DataCrusade1999 (talk) 15:23, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

NDA is at 295 I request this to be updated. And INDIA is at 234 is correct. Supercanonx (talk) 16:38, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

Sikkim Krantikari Morcha

The infobox and the results table both show the NDA at 293 while the NDA table under "Parties and alliances" show the NDA at 292. This seems to be down the fact that the party Sikkim Krantikari Morcha is included as part of the NDA in the results table but not in the alliance table. Since the page for SKM says the party is currently a member of the NDA and the map on this very article lists SKM under "other NDA parties" it seems like SKM should be listed in the alliance table for the NDA.

Btw this same issue exists on the NDA's own article looking at the "strength in parliament" table versus both the 2019 and 2024 results table. Orca6771 (talk) 20:44, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 6 June 2024

AI, the creators of Chat GPT revealed that an Israeli firm used its tools to generate anti-BJP propaganda during and before this election which was used on YouTube, X (formerly Twitter), facebook, Instagram and other websites.-Harman42 (talk) 14:15, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

Please add the above.-Harman42 (talk) 14:16, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

References

Harman42 (talk) 06:12, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

 Not done. Already noted at 2024 Indian general election#Misinformation. Ratnahastin (talk) 14:18, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

This news is not added in #misinformation section. Can you explain why its not added 117.196.55.137 (talk) 04:34, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 6 June 2024 (2)

Please remove the sentence, "The election was criticised for lack of action on hate speeches by Modi's Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP),[9] reported Electronic Voting Machine (EVM) malfunctioning,[10][11] and alleged suppression of political opponents of the BJP." from the lead. It is not neutral. It also seems that it isn't worthy of being in the lead as it wasn't rampant and the lead is supposed to be a concise summary of what the body of the article says, largely. "The lead should stand on its own as a concise overview of the article's topic. It should identify the topic, establish context, explain why the topic is notable, and summarize the most important points, including any prominent controversies" as per WP:Lead.-

Harman42 (talk) 06:12, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

The, "...... alleged suppression of political opponents of the BJP." bit is an allegation and should be removed immediately.-Harman42 (talk) 08:53, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

 Not done. Accurately sourced content. It has also been significantly described in the section. Ratnahastin (talk) 14:11, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 6 June 2024 (3)

Voice of the people party link goes to the Namibian voice of the people party instead of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voice_of_the_People_Party_(Meghalaya) tovarish (talk) 10:37, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

 Done VK wiki100 12:09, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

Aftermath on lead

@Soni: The content I had removed is not related to the elections. It is related to party activities that are happening outside the election as well as after the election. Why do we have to mention them on lead which is already too big? Ratnahastin (talk) 14:16, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

So my logic is that the election page should always have a short summary of the government that's forming. We need not include too many details about them or any major changes months down the line but "Elections ended with Modi becoming PM again with NDA support" is definitely something that should be here (and we then link to the Modi's 3rd term article + 18th lok sabha articles).

See 2004 Indian general election for election ledes that also discuss the government, 2016 United States presidential election for lede that also have further aftermath, or 2019 United Kingdom general election for both government and aftermath. Soni (talk) 14:51, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

I would still support pruning the last paragraph a little because it is simply getting too big. Ratnahastin (talk) 15:38, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

I am happy with pruning. I think we should definitely carry immediate aftermath (political shifts, who formed govt) but we can definitely trim this better. Or split into paragraphs better. 1 is too short, 2 and 3 kind of repeat the same things, 4 could be two paragraphs (alliances/results, then govt forming) Soni (talk) 15:45, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 7 June 2024

"This was the largest-ever election in history" is a tautology. Please change to "This was the largest-ever election" or "This was the largest election in history". 2001:BB6:47ED:FA58:392D:A46F:9661:5E32 (talk) 10:21, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

 Done Charliehdb (talk) 13:11, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

That sentence in the lead, "This was the largest-ever election, surpassing the previous election, and lasted 44 days, second only to the 1951–52 Indian general election." needs to be shortened more to, "Surpassing the previous election (of 2019), this was the second largest election and lasted 44 days, the largest being the 1951–52 Indian general election."-Harman42 (talk) 17:33, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

"Surpassing the previous election, this was the second largest election and lasted 44 days, the largest being the 1951–52 Indian general election." is even shorter.-Harman42 (talk) 17:52, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

@Charliehdb: "Surpassing the previous election, this was the second largest election in independent India and lasted 44 days, the largest being the 1951–52 Indian general election." can be added if the editors want to mention that this was post-independence.-Harman42 (talk) 17:59, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

"...ten independent MPs..."

Although it seems referenced, but how did Modi brought support of ten independent MPs when there's only seven elected, and two of them have already extended their support for the INDIA bloc and another one is supposed to support them in the near future? Zeeshan Y Tariq (talk) 18:31, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

Its just a fake news propagated by Right Wing News Portals. Edasf (talk) 09:43, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 7 June 2024 (2)

Please add, "Muslim voters were the game changers in this election." Harman42 (talk) 19:21, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

 Not done. Inappropriate commentary from a source that might have published a manipulated exit poll. MrMkG (talk) 07:34, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

References

Fake news being propagated

Fake news being propagated that Modi confirmed the support of 303 MPs to Droupadi Murmu, the 15th President of India. Its 293 MPs only , 16-17 newly elected MPs are neither part of any alliance. The seven Independents are Rajesh Ranjan alias Pappu Yadav from Purnia (Bihar), Vishal (Dada) Prakashbapu Patil from Sangli (Maharashtra), Amritpal Singh from Khadoor Sahib (Punjab), Sarabjeet Singh Khalsa from Faridkot (Punjab), Umeshbhai Babubhai Patel from Daman and Diu, Abdul Rashid Sheikh from Baramulla (J&K) and Mohammad Haneefa from Ladakh.

References:

1. https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/lok-sabha-elections-meet-seven-candidates-who-won-as-independents-101717642425035.html
2. https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/7-independents-and-10-from-non-aligned-parties-book-ls-seats/articleshow/110748555.cms
3. https://www.thestatesman.com/india/after-victory-in-meghalaya-vpp-refuses-alliance-with-nda-1503307515.html
4. https://indianexpress.com/article/explained/explained-politics/who-are-the-7-independents-elected-to-the-lok-sabha-9378312/

Curvasingh (talk) 16:59, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

Chandrababu Naidu and Nitish Kumar are being called the kingmakers, because if TDP and JDU remove support from NDA , then NDA tally will go down from 293 to 265. References:

1. https://thewire.in/politics/india-alliance-nda-coalition-partners-must-push-for-restoring-independence-of-institutions
2. https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/elections/lok-sabha/india/kingmakers-who-are-chandrababu-naidu-and-nitish-kumar-why-do-they-matter-seats-won-by-jdu-and-tdp/why-do-naidu-and-nitish-matter/slideshow/110729246.cms
3. https://www.telegraphindia.com/west-bengal/hint-at-bid-by-five-bjp-mps-to-join-tmc-ahead-of-swearing-in-ceremony-for-18th-lok-sabha/cid/2025437

--Curvasingh (talk) 17:19, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

PARLIAMENT DIAGRAM

ADD THE PARLIAMENTARY DIAGRAM 2409:4060:309:5716:0:0:1382:48AC (talk) 11:17, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

INC increased seat level to 100

INC got total of 100 seats as of now. 59.182.113.188 (talk) 14:24, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

Please provide a reliable source for that (like a link to a newspaper report saying that).-Harman42 (talk) 17:33, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

Actually it is 101, bcz Rakesh Ranjan aka Pappu Yadav joined INC before election and Independent MP Vishal Patil joined after election

source: https://www.daijiworld.com/index.php/news/newsDisplay?newsID=1197693

https://indianexpress.com/article/cities/pune/independent-mp-vishal-patil-meets-rahul-gandhi-extends-support-to-congress-9376555/ Redmyname31 (talk) 13:56, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

"Extending support" by Independent does not mean that it can be counted as INC seat, but more likely it can be counted towards INDIA alliance. But, it has to be clarified that this is post-election support. RogerYg (talk) 22:41, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 8 June 2024

Replace 'Sangli independent MP Vishal Patil extended support to the Congress after the election, in effect increasing the Congress tally to 100. with 'Sangli independent MP Vishal Patil extended support to the Congress after the election. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3A2024_Indian_general_election&action=edit&wvprov=sticky-headerPappu Yadav, who had filed his nominations as an independent candidate from Purnea had joined the Congress on March, during the election procedure. Thus the Congress tally in Lok Sabha ultimately reached 101. 2409:4060:2D89:3629:0:0:AA09:DF0D (talk) 20:36, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

The Official Election Commision of India website still shows Congress seats as 99. "Extending support to Congress " may not be same as official Congress seat. Post-poll support by Independents may not change official Congress seats, untill it is updated by Election commission. Probably we need to wait. RogerYg (talk) 02:20, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

References

Semi-protected edit request on 9 June 2024

A request to change the number of current seats for the Indian National Congress as they now have 101 seats in the Lok Sabha. Sintax01913 (talk) 03:12, 9 June 2024 (UTC) Please update the partywise vote share from the following table complied from eci website constitutency wise. Alliance Party Votes % Seats contested Seats +/– NDA Bharatiya Janata Party 23,59,73,935 37.08% 441 240 –63 NDA Telugu Desam Party 1,27,75,270 2.01% 17 16 13 NDA Janata Dal (United) 80,39,663 1.26% 16 12 –4 NDA Shiv Sena 74,01,447 1.16% 15 7 –11 NDA Pattali Makkal Katchi 18,79,689 0.30% 10 0 0 NDA Lok Janshakti Party (Ram Vilas) 28,10,250 0.44% 5 5 5 NDA Nationalist Congress Party 20,59,179 0.32% 5 1 –4 NDA Bharath Dharma Jana Sena 5,05,753 0.08% 4 0 0 NDA Janata Dal (Secular) 21,73,701 0.34% 3 2 1 NDA Tamil Maanila Congress 4,10,401 0.06% 3 0 0 NDA Amma Makkal Munnettra Kazhagam 3,93,415 0.06% 2 0 0 NDA Apna Dal (Soneylal) 8,08,245 0.13% 2 1 –1 NDA Jana Sena Party 14,54,158 0.23% 2 2 2 NDA National People's Party 4,17,930 0.07% 2 0 –1 NDA Rashtriya Lok Dal 8,93,460 0.14% 2 2 2 NDA All Jharkhand Students Union 4,58,677 0.07% 1 1 0 NDA Hindustani Awam Morcha 4,94,960 0.08% 1 1 1 NDA Naga People's Front 2,99,536 0.05% 1 0 –1 NDA Nationalist Democratic Progressive Party 3,50,967 0.06% 1 0 –1 NDA Sikkim Krantikari Morcha 1,64,396 0.03% 1 1 1 NDA United People's Party Liberal 4,88,995 0.08% 1 1 1 NDA Asom Gana Parishad 12,98,707 0.20% 2 1 1 NDA Independents 3,42,882 0.05% 1 0 –1 NDA Rashtriya Lok Morcha 2,53,876 0.04% 1 0 0 NDA Rashtriya Samaj Paksha 4,67,282 0.07% 1 0 0 NDA Suheldev Bharatiya Samaj Party 3,40,188 0.05% 1 0 0

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. M.Bitton (talk) 18:59, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

The Official Election Commision of India website still shows Congress seats as 99. "Extending support to Congress " may not be same as official Congress seat. Post-poll support by Independents may not change official Congress seats, untill it is updated by Election commission. Probably we need to wait. RogerYg (talk) 02:20, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

Voter turnout for Jharkhand and Bihar

Please update overall Voter turnout for Jharkhand and Bihar in the Voter turnout table (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_Indian_general_election#Voter_turnout) IndoPakAfgh (talk) 14:45, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

Lede - Election results

The lede first paragraph needs to include briefly the results, as that is among the most notable aspects of this Wiki page per WP: Firstparagraph.RogerYg (talk) 21:48, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Added summarized results in lede as per WP:Lede and WP:First paragraph. RogerYg (talk) 22:35, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Summarized results were deleted from First paragraph using wrong reason of repetition. Now, results summary is moved from last paragraph to avoid any repetition. You may summarize results further in neutral language instead of deleting from first paragraph. Results of elections are considered most notable aspects in almost all Wikipedia election pages, and hence results need to be included per WP:LEDE, WP: First paragraph and WP:LAYOUT. Thanks. RogerYg (talk) 03:27, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 14 June 2024

Need to add to election campaign promises by political parties which had an impact on election results. Source: https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/lok-sabha-elections-2024-rahul-gandhis-taunt-over-rs-1-lakh-to-women-promise-5610230 Rishabh1724 (talk) 00:45, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

Infobox

The election infobox includes "first party" and "second party" at the top of the images of party leaders. It seems to be an edit to the template on its page but feels outlandish and out of format. Can we change this? Ok123l (talk) 17:29, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

It has appeared as a result of this edit by Jdlrobson. I've asked if they can sorti it out. Cheers, Number 57 22:44, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

This should be fixed now for all skins. Apparently this has been showing for mobile users (more than 50% of our traffic!) like this for many years without anyone noticed 😔.

You may need to purge the page to see the results. Let me know if I missed anything. 🐸 Jdlrobson (talk) 23:07, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

It's fixed, thank you very much! Ok123l (talk) 03:35, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

Seems fixed. Thanks for the quick response! Ok123l (talk) 03:35, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

Addition of Amit Shah's doctored video in the Misinformation section

A video of Amit Shah, a prominent political leader, surfaced that was later found to be doctored. This incident is significant within the context of electoral misinformation and merits inclusion in this section. Multiple WP:RSPSS have covered the topic during the course of the investigation, and the accused are associated with a political party. Hence it can be treated as one party's campaign against the other, thus highlighting the misinformation is necessary in context of the article. The Delhi court has since sent accused into judicial custody with respect to the misinformation case thus marking a judgement over the issue by a neutral third-party source. Xoocit (talk) 11:02, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Please provide some WP:RS sources for this. Thanks RogerYg (talk) 22:37, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for your input in the discussion, here are some of the sources for said issue.

Amit Shah viral video: Delhi Police files FIR over doctored clips on reservation issue | Mint) (livemint.com)

Amit Shah: Share information on disseminator of fake video, will take action - The Hindu

Amit Shah doctored video case: Amit Shah fake video case: Delhi Police arrest Congress member Arun Reddy - The Economic Times (indiatimes.com)

Congress functionary arrested in Amit Shah’s doctored video case | India News - The Indian Express

Amit Shah doctored video case: Six more Congress social media handlers get notice (newindianexpress.com) Xoocit (talk) 23:52, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the WP:RS sources. This has been added to the Misinformation section. RogerYg (talk) 19:57, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

There are 100s of such individual incidents. Is there a reason why this one is more important than anything else? The concern in the note remains unaddressed. MrMkG (talk) 13:36, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

This incident has been covered widely in WP:RS national and international sources including BBC. Such WP:RS coverage including BBC has only reported on 2 or 3 incidents, not on 100 incidents, therefore it is WP:UNDUE does not apply. It has been reported over several weeks, so it is not a one time event, Concern has been addressed by the wide coverage in WP:RS national and international sources including BBC, and the discussion on TALK page. It can be brief, instead of full paragraph, but it needs to be included.

The Misinformation section has included an isolated one-time AAP allegation (against BJP), which is not WP:DUE,

https://www.livemint.com/news/phd-in-running-doctored-video-aap-hits-out-at-bjp-s-amit-malviya-after-fir-over-amit-shahs-fake-video-11714456371770.html

Shah's video incident which has been reported widely, so WP:DUE is being misused to hide this information. We need to be WP:NPOV. Thanks. RogerYg (talk) 19:42, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

This incident is more important than the others because of direct involvement by a party's social media unit. High value individuals including the CM of Telangana have been summoned to join the investigation which makes it more notable incident and isolates itself from the 100s of individual incident which were not done by party-sponsered individuals.

AAP's reply to the FIR filed by Amit Malviya is missing context as the FIR was filed over the original doctored video which is missing from the article. WP:BALANCE and WP:MAJORASPECT should be applied to do away with the WP:FALSEBALANCE as the AAP's statements is a minor view and is not covered by multiple WP:RS in topics which are independent of the subject. Xoocit (talk) 02:34, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

I agree, major incident like Amit Shah's doctored video has been wrongly deleted from Misinformation section by misusing WP:UNDUE argument without any strong reasons. RogerYg (talk) 04:04, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

Party's social media organisations, and even MPs, CMs, Ministers, etc are all involved in the 100s of other incidents, usually with impunity. You have not said anything that makes it more important. AAP's statement is removed too. MrMkG (talk) 04:11, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

Also agree, it's not as if the CM of Telangana was a puny village chief. Borgenland (talk) 04:16, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

Here is one by CM of Uttar Pradesh.

https://www.altnews.in/cm-yogi-adityanath-falsely-claim-that-up-first-to-have-cyber-police-station-in-every-dist/

Here is one by CM of Assam.

https://www.altnews.in/fact-check-rahul-gandhi-is-holding-the-indian-constitution-in-image-shared-by-himanta-biswa-sarma/

There is nothing spectacular about this. MrMkG (talk) 04:26, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

We cannot compare isolated one time reported incidents with Amit Shah's doctored video incident, which has been widely reported multiple times in reliable WP:RS national and international sources such as The Hindu, Indian Express, BBC..

WP:UNDUE cannot be misued to hide a major widely reported incident.

I agree with Xoocit (talk) that Amit Shah incident needs to be included. Please read WP:BALANCE and WP:MAJORASPECT. Please avoid making WP:FALSEBALANCE RogerYg (talk) 04:34, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

They are all widely reported. This is a national election and there are international eyes on a lot of things. One thing can't become "isolated one time" and another thing "super major very important" according to your convenience.

The election was rife with disinformation. https://www.france24.com/en/asia-pacific/20240603-india-awaits-the-result-of-a-general-election-marred-by-disinformation MrMkG (talk) 04:46, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

All widely reported incidents with WP:RS can be reported on Wikipedia page. Please do not misuse WP:DUE to delete any widely reported incident. Amit Shah's incident has very reliable national & international sources, so it must be reported. If you have good sources for other incidents, feel free to include them. Thanks . RogerYg (talk) 03:08, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

I agree, the deleted text should be restored on the article as soon as possible with proper citations of WP:RS. Xoocit (talk) 06:14, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 17 June 2024

Change: (under "Cases against opposition" under "Major election issues") After he was released on bail and allowed to vote, Kejriwal urged citizens to "vote against the dictatorship" and was forced to retur to prison after the elections as part of his bail conditions. TO: After he was released on bail and allowed to vote, Kejriwal urged citizens to "vote against the dictatorship" and was forced to retur to prison after the elections as part of his bail conditions.. However, after the conclusion of the elections, the BJP made a clean sweep in the national capital, winning all seven seats in the Lok Sabha constituencies . Kailash K Singh (talk) 01:45, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

See WP:UNDUE. Capitals00 (talk) 07:06, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

References

Results By Alliance

@Capitals00 Can you please explain why you have revert No.of Votes in the result section.The regional partis are contesting specific 1 or 2 seats,hence votes gain by that party on seat are added. Mahesh Chhanga 78 (talk) 06:55, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

Restored. Capitals00 (talk) 07:05, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

Use Indian numeric system instead of US System

Example 30,00,000 instead of 3,000,000 HKChakladar (talk) 20:48, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

we on are us wikipeida Eldaniay (talk) 19:47, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

No, this is English Wikipedia, not USA Wikipedia. We usually use regional variants of English when the article is relevant to that region. For instance, an article about British politics will use British English. This article even says, at the top of the talk page, that it uses "Indian English". So, in principle, @HKChakladar is right. The only issue with their suggestion might be readability. No other variant of English uses this sort of numeric system, so it would be more confusing to readers than simple spelling differences like labor/labour. Pecopteris (talk) 19:54, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

Yes, I know it's Indian English, therefore use the Indian numerical system (Crore, lakhs). Indians learn the number as crore, lakh not million, billion. So they relate and visualise crore lakh easily and billion million become confusing. HKChakladar (talk) 23:29, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

Well, @HKChakladar, I looked at the Manual of Style to see if it gives any guidance on this.

It says here "Sometimes, the variety of English used in an article may suggest the use of a numbering system other than the Western thousands-based system. For example, the Indian numbering system is conventionally used for certain things (especially monetary amounts) in South Asian English. This is discouraged in Wikipedia articles by WP:Manual of Style § Opportunities for commonality."

It also says "An article's variety of English does not uniquely determine its formatting of numbers. Other considerations – such as conventions used in mathematics, science, and engineering – may also apply. In general, choice and order of formats and conversions is a matter of editorial discretion and consensus at the article."

In the "opportunities for commonality" section, it says "Use universally accepted terms rather than those less widely distributed, especially in titles. For example, glasses is preferred to the national varieties spectacles (British English) and eyeglasses (American English); ten million is preferable to one crore (Indian English)."

So, it appears that adopting the Indian numeric system is generally discouraged, but is a matter of editorial discretion and local consensus.

I have to confess my ignorance here: do most folks in India learn the standard numeric system of "millions" and "billions"? If a reader from India reads this article and sees the term "ten million", will they understand what that means with little trouble, or will they be scratching their head, wondering "how many crore is that?" Pecopteris (talk) 18:51, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

My answer for the question in the last paragraph: In India the concept of "millions" and "billion" is rarely taught in our schools, neither it is used in our daily conversations. Hope it helps. Romilsworld (talk) 17:12, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

Regardless of the word-based conventions (ten lakh versus million), at least the digit-based numbers can continue to be formatted as internationally accepted. A person might not know what million means, but 10,00,000 and 1,000,000 are far less likely to be read as two different numbers. 59.98.170.214 (talk) 20:42, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

Manmohan Singh remark presented by Modi is not misinformation.

Ex-PM Manmohan Singh indeed said Muslims Have ‘First Right’. "

We will have to devise Innovative plans to ensure that minorities particularly the Muslim minority are empowered to share equitably in the fruits of development they must they must have the first claim on our resources

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6Bsz97lRsU?si=sDlDlko4tD9QNqRz&t=53— Preceding unsigned comment added by 106.210.37.75 (talk)

Wikipedia doesn't interpret or analyze who said what and what someone meant. We only report what reliable sources say in their own voice. — hako9 (talk) 21:15, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

It should not be under Misinformation then. Because if you, as Wikipedia, do not interpret or analyze what someone meant, then you most certainly have no right to conclude your opinion that it is Misinformation. Maybe put it under Statements made during the election. 77.183.135.185 (talk) 20:26, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia should refer to pmo archives first, before spreading misinformation.

https://archivepmo.nic.in/drmanmohansingh/press-details.php?nodeid=516

The above pmo transcript clearly says particularly Muslims. How i dont see the false propoganda on this page 2.97.13.38 (talk) 23:58, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

Improvement comments and taking it to GA

Hi! I have been working on the article to make appropriate changes intending to improve it to GA quality. As the elections are over, the article should reach relative stability and it can be co-nominated once the changes are complete.

Pinging major contributors Susmuffin, Borgenland and other interested users if willing for reviews and comments. Thanks! Magentic Manifestations (talk) 18:25, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

Not much at this stage to comment about. But I do think something should be done to allow readers to read Indian numbers within this page rather than having to open a new tab. Borgenland (talk) 18:29, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

Borgenland Could you please elaborate on what exactly are you referring to when you mean "Indian numbers"? Thanks! Magentic Manifestations (talk) 03:53, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

Not everyone has the time to calculate lakh and crore to standard numbering. Borgenland (talk) 07:30, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

I would like for this article to reach GA, but it's nowhere near the stability yet. We can probably start regardless, there's a lot of work that needs doing across the board before we get there.

I think the campaign promises is a copyvio concern and may need to be paraphrased if not more. I think the "parties and alliances" section takes too much unhideable space in the middle of the article (and some, like BSP are still un-updated). Similarly for opinion polling. The controversies section needs to be hacked up from scratch with considerations to DUE. I think the reaction and Aftermaths section will need to be fleshed out a fair bit more.

That's the things I could see off the top of my head. I would like to improve this article, but this will require a chunk of work. Soni (talk) 22:33, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

@User:Soni I agree that the article needs a lot of working, particularly w.r.t. to some sections. The campaign manifestos indeed is almost a copy vio and needs copy edit and change of paraphrasing to summarize the same.

Reactions and aftermath section needs to be updated to reflect the events a fair bit and needs cleaning up as the reactions are just a laundry list of countries. Will try and work on that. Magentic Manifestations (talk) 03:53, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

@User:Soni @User:Borgenland

He removed every content of BJP'S misdeeds and only did not touch BJP propaganda

He also removed famous content of Modi calling Muslims infiltrators [5] [6]..

He is also hiding misinformation of BJP [7] Hsisjwbja (talk) 03:15, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

@Hsisjwbja I am addressing your comments for the time being constructively. For one, Modi's comments are already part of the main election issues (Ram Mandir and sectarianism) and is a simple WP:CFORK in the later section. The misinformation section was hidden as per WP:UNDUE and WP:WEIGHT which is already explained in comments inline and repeated above by another user. So, suggest that if you have any constructive suggestions, please go ahead, or rather want to contribute constructively, try and expand the section as per WP:NPOV and WP:DUE. Please stop doing WP:POVRAILROAD and non-constructive comments, which does not help. Thanks! Magentic Manifestations (talk) 03:53, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

Your edits are BJP biased. I have seen it.

You please contribute constructively as per WP:NPOV. Please stop biasly removing misdeeds of BJP and only keeping BJP propaganda.

Satyameva Jayate (Truth will always prevail) Hsisjwbja (talk) 05:26, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

• Comments by Dharmadhyaksha: Great and challenging idea to take this to GA level. My comments which may help in doing this are as below:
  • In general the article has too many tables and while they all provide good statistics, i think some can be merged (Result "By region" and "By state or union territory") or at least collapsed (Parties and alliances). I would BOLDly do it; but then people usually object and revert to it.
  • Results table is still not fully filled. Sadly, i also dont know where to find all the data as no compiled file has yet been published by ECI.
  • Manifestos of other parties to be mentioned too thus covering the overall topic.
  • The section of "Ministers who lost the election" is incomplete and may be deleted. This is undue here and is covered in Third_Modi_ministry#Outgoing_ministers. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 05:04, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

Agree on updating the results part and expanding the article to include manifestos, campaigns of other parties. Tables can be collapsed if there is consensus, same regarding the ministers section. Magentic Manifestations (talk) 06:38, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

@Ratnahastin and @User:Capitals00, kindly refer to the discussion here. If there are any specific issues that need addressing or queries, please feel free to comment or modify the same. Kindly do not do a blind roll back of all the intermediate edits as there has been quite work done of expansion of certain sections and correcting citations. Magentic Manifestations (talk) 06:38, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

Your edits are too pro-BJP as rightly observed by Hsisjwbja. The article must highlight the criticism and controversial aspects both on lead and section. You cannot remove it all and say you are just doing a "copy edit". Capitals00 (talk) 06:45, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

@Capitals00 As I had already indicated above and pointed by other user as well, it will be re-worked upon. If you are seeing my edits, I have been gradually reworking the sections and adding back criticism at relevant sections (say counting related on counting and results, voting related on voting and rest to campaigns. Please do not point fingers as pro-this/that, if that had been the case, I would have not added an entire section on arrest of opposition leaders in the main issues. So, if there are specific instances, where you feel neutrality is at stake, please point out or add those relevant points. Blind reverts are not going to help. Thanks for understanding! Magentic Manifestations (talk) 07:01, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

Then you can write your own draft at your userspace and show here when you are done.

This topic is still a current event and your massive overhauling is unhelpful. Capitals00 (talk) 07:07, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

@Capitals00: I am fine with restoring the particular section of "Misinformation" as it was previously, while it is being worked upon. I have been working with sandbox and doing the edits in steps to avoid a single massive overhaul. Hence, it will be rather helpful if you could point where else do you have issues, so that it will be helpful. Magentic Manifestations (talk) 07:20, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

@Capitals00 @Ratnahastin, I expected push back when I took up this article for improvement. Please understand that the whole aim is to make the article better. You can also see that a lot of work has gone in improving citations and expansion of sections such as Voting/aftermath of elections. I do not want to push my POV here, so please help be specific as I am open to addressing the issues here. If you guys want an entire copy for comments in the sandbox, I am open to that as well. Thanks! Magentic Manifestations (talk) 07:20, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

• Some of the paragraphs of this article are poorly written and your edits have only made the article worse. If GA is all you want, then why don't you try your luck at 2004 Indian general election? I don't think your choice of content removals will be entertained there either. Ratnahastin (talk) 06:53, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

  @Ratnahastin Please refer to the conversation above. Regarding your concern on the particular edit, can you please point a specific instance or line as to what has been made worse, to understand the same. There are corrections to citations, convert templates. Regarding the content, the Congress promise has been moved to manifesto and others have remained largely as is. thanks! Magentic Manifestations (talk) 07:08, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

You shouldn't be asking this question in the first place. Your edit removed details about unemployment and provided a flattering tone to Modi's claims about the Congress party. This is about just one edit of yours. Ratnahastin (talk) 07:22, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

@Ratnahastin The unemployment section remains as is. I am unable to understand what is the issue here. Are you referring to the Congress manifesto which was moved to the manifesto section? Thanks! Magentic Manifestations (talk) 07:27, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

@Capitals00 @Ratnahastin Are you guys ok, if I do this is section by section in the sandbox, so that others can comment? If the dispute is regarding the issues, I specify the changes in parts, so that comments are welcome. Magentic Manifestations (talk) 07:27, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

@Magentic Manifestations Sandbox is a good way to go. That way we can compare diffs for how the article content gets changed, and fix DUE/NPOV issues as they come. Please note here if you have any specific ideas others can contribute with. Soni (talk) 00:22, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

Changes proposed

@Capitals00, @Ratnahastin and others: I am making minor non-controversial changes as is. Following are the other changes proposed section by section, will add one by one, once done.

• Lead: Minor copy edits
• Aftermath:

1. Expanded and re-arranged the section as per chronology
2. Moving only reactions to the reactions section
3. I am in favor of removing the laundry list of countries, depending on comments, can keep or remove.

• Major issues:

1. Unemployment: Again minor edits specifying years for the reports, have preserved the wordings
2. Ram Mandir: minor edits, grammar tense corrections
3. Electoral bonds: minor edits, correct syntax of currency values
4. Add new section on action against opposition leaders

• Party Campaigns:

1. Minor syntax edits
2. Remove WP:CFORK of Rajasthan speech repeated for the second out of three times
3. Move the entire arrest of opposition to new section as important issues (as highlighted as an important issue in the lead)

• Manifesto:

1. Copy editing and re-organizing as there are too many sections in the NDA manifesto with exact copy paste
2. INC manifesto has only minor copy edits

• Voting:

1. Expansion of the section as it details largely only the first two phases
2. Combine incidents and re-organize as per phases
3. Remove WP:CFORK of Rajasthan speech repeated for the third time

• Results:

1. Move comments by Baghel and Akhilesh on counting day to the section
2. Add details of the counting day and the summary of the results
3. Re-arrange table on zonal results by number of seats (Alphabetical should also be fine, currently there is no order)
4. Move table of results of ministers to the last

@Capitals00, @Ratnahastin and others: My edits are done for the moment. Will wait if you guys have any comments or objections to the changes and go ahead with it if there are no concerns or revert. Thanks! Magentic Manifestations (talk) 09:28, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

Magentic Manifestations (talk) 07:48, 17 June 2024 (UTC)