Talk:2024 Harehills riot

Propose move

I would suggest we move to 2024 Harehills riot; it is how it is being widely referred to; the BBC, the Times, Talk, GB News etc etc. I think only we are referring to it as 'unrest'. Mtaylor848 (talk) 00:49, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

Concern over edits by InThePurpleSkyAbove

Hello folks, I've been working on clarifying some of the demographic claims on the page, based on concerns that some of the good faith additions, actually misrepresent the available data. One major claims by @InThePurpleSkyAbove is that Harehills is majority British Pakistani, the demographic data does not provide evidence for this. I've left a note on their talk page requesting that they read WP:RS. The changes I had made, which were more accurate were immediately reverted by the editor. I don't want to get involved with an edit war, but the changes they are making are do not reflect what the sources they use say. For example:

• .. with a demographic plurality of British Pakistanis

This is simply not reported in the sources:

• Areainsights does not use the word British Pakistani anywhere, so cannot support the claim
• the Time of India does say this, but don't say where the assertion came from, and none of the demographic data I have looked at shows this
• the novara media source uses this quote "We’re Romanian, Gypsy, Pakistani, Asian ..."

There is no statistical information that supports this assertion. This diff shows the constructive improvements I had made to the demographic information. I would appreciate the views from other editors, but I do not think it is appropriate for sources used by @InThePurpleSkyAbove to be mis-represented in this way. Lajmmoore (talk) 16:15, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

Adding a few pings @Mtaylor848, @അദ്വൈതൻ, @WikiCleanerMan Lajmmoore (talk) 16:17, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

I don't know about the sources but I think it's important to mention British Pakistanis and British Muslims in lead and in the demographics sections for the following reasons :

• British Pakistanis were involved in the riots at a later stage
• The area is heavily dominated by Muslims, predominantly Pakistani but also a many Bangladeshis and Arabs
• There is a significant presence of social media posts and heresy from across the political spectrum attributing the riots as being a "Muslim riot" similar to the various troubles with gypsies and Muslims across Europe.

There's a secondary undercurrent story about British Asian youths from the Bangladeshi and Pakistani community rioting for no real reason other than the usual socioeconomic indicators, and the values of community spirit in that area.

There's a sense that editors want to remove references to British Pakistanis because it's seen as Islamophobic, but the reality is that most of these assertions are factual. British Muslims do indeed dominate the area and many were involved in the riots at the later stages. TimingIsThere (talk) 17:23, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

"Originally immigrating in the 1960's, Bangladeshis and Pakistanis are at present the largest immigrant groups in Harehills."

https://crp.leeds.ac.uk/wp-content/uploads/sites/52/2016/03/Harehillsmappingreport.pdf

The word-on-the-ground says that the area is dominated by Pakistanis, but you could also reword the lead to say "Bangladeshis and Pakistanis are at present the largest immigrant groups in Harehills.". TimingIsThere (talk) 17:39, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

British Pakistani

This source which was already provided uses the term British Pakistani in its Statistics table. So let's keep that term in the article. Also note that the word used is plurality(significant number or in large numbers) not majority.

I have reviewed the sources provided for verification, and added failed verification template for one which appears to be unrelated to the context of the statement

അദ്വൈതൻ (talk) 17:51, 20 July 2024 (UTC)