Talk:2024 Democratic Party vice presidential candidate selection/Archive 1

Archive 1

Display of opinion polling

Opinion polling section - wouldn't it be more useful if the candidates were sorted in order of their % vote? Or something else to make it easier to parse Virivren (talk) 08:11, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

New polling

Update VP opinion polling https://www.ipsos.com/en-us/most-democrats-are-very-enthusiastic-about-kamala-harris-democratic-nominee GhulamIslam (talk) 18:55, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

Mention a 'reported' shortlist already

All media sources cited in this article surrounding a 'shortlist' have narrowed it down to Shapiro, Kelly and Waltz. In the 2024 GOP VP selection article, they had a reported shortlist section way before JD Vance was announced as the running mate. I don't think it makes sense to have Shapiro, Kelly and Waltz listed alongside Pritzker, Raimondo and Richmond who have received little to no mention in the media as being part of a shortlist. TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 23:30, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

I agree Expoe34 (talk) 23:38, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

That sounds good to me. David O. Johnson (talk) 23:48, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

@TDKR Chicago 101

Again, media reportings are contradictory, and many are based on "someone close to the campaign". That's incredibly unreliable and should not be a basis for elevating one candidate over another. No context is given regarding the various reportings. Jchs08 (talk) 23:54, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

Look, all I'm saying is that for the 2024 GOP article, there was a reported shortlist. It's not unreliable when these three names have been listed as either frontrunners or high on Harris's VP list. Why should they be mentioned with other individuals who rarely get mentioned as serious contenders anymore? With Cooper out, there's some little room for mixed reports. Business Insider, Fortune, Bloomberg, Politico all state Shapiro, Kelly and Walz are in this shortlist. Forbes reported today that Kelly, Shapiro, Cooper, Whitmer and Walz received vetting materials and w/ Cooper and Whitmer out of consideration, that means...Kelly, Shapiro and Walz are on the shortlist. Plus the section isn't saying this is an official shortlist either, it says 'reported' shortlist. TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 23:58, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

@TDKR Chicago 101

Because it's really verging on misinformation. Jchs08 (talk) 00:05, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

@TDKR Chicago 101 I would create a "reported" heading and add context. Instead of saying "x,y, and z are the frontrunners, as reported by MSNBC." add "x,y,z are the frontrunners according to someone close to the campaign, as reported by MSNBC." I still don't think that's a source good enough to give the appearance of an increased chance of getting the nomination. It's essentially hearsay. Jchs08 (talk) 00:10, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

Cooper

Guck14, I believe Roy Cooper should go in the "Reported Shortlist" section, not the "Declined to be considered" section. For a similar situation, please see the 2020 Democratic Party vice presidential candidate selection#Shortlist article and the Amy Klobuchar listing there.David O. Johnson (talk) 00:56, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

To keep it consistent w/ the 2020 article, I agree with David. TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 18:23, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

100% agree. Misinformative to make it seem like he wasn't vetted, when multiple reporting states he was a leader contender before withdrawing from consideration. Therequiembellishere (talk) 19:02, 3 August 2024 (UTC)

I've moved Cooper to the "Finalists" section. David O. Johnson (talk) 19:54, 3 August 2024 (UTC)

I think maybe just "Formally Vetted"? I think the bar on finalists would be if he's in the last interviews with Harris that seem to have started a few days ago. Is there a source on if it got to that? I know he did an interview with Edward Isaac Dovere recently that I've not gone through. Therequiembellishere (talk) 20:01, 3 August 2024 (UTC)

That would make more sense. It seems like Cooper withdrew before the finalists were announced. David O. Johnson (talk) 20:08, 3 August 2024 (UTC)

I agree, I think Cooper should be placed with Raimondo and Richmond with a sentence or two explaining how he was considered a finalist but withdrew. I don’t think he belongs with the final six since he hasn’t gone through recent vetting as the six has. TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 20:09, 3 August 2024 (UTC)

@Therequiembellishere

I agree. The finalists should be those being interviewed this weekend. "Formally vetted" should be those that have been vetted but are not being interviewed this weekend. Well, unless of course they were formally vetted and then withdrew from consideration. Is there a need to make a distinction between those that withdrew that were vetted vs not vetted? I guess so. It shows legitimacy since they were actually being considered by the candidate vs media speculation.

He should probably be under "formally vetted" with a notation. Jchs08 (talk) 20:10, 3 August 2024 (UTC)

Add Endorsements Boxes like on the congressional elections pages?

Reading this article (https://thehill.com/homenews/house/4806591-tim-walz-harris-vp-house-democrats/), made me think it would be of the public interest to start adding notable individuals endorsements of the various candidates; has that been done before? If I added it, would it get removed? Jccali1214 (talk) 21:29, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

Was thinking about the same too. I think it'd be handy to list the endorsements each candidate has. Tofusaurus (talk) 10:56, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

I think it would also be handy, however I think there was a similar discussion to the 2024 GOP VP selection article (not sure if it got the balling rolling or if there was a consensus) about adding an endorsement box, however nothing materialized from the discussion. TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 17:00, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

@TDKR Chicago 101TDKR & @Tofusaurus, I started it but due to connectivity issues I can't make all the additions/required edits I want to make. Feel free to add - especially since today's the day we find out who it is! (& makes this page lokey moot lol). Jccali1214 (talk) 12:15, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

Rearrange lead?

As currently written, the lead seems to overemphasize Joe Biden's part in the selection process. I think it would be best to rewrite the lead to clearly explain that this was Harris's selection. Obviously the context of Biden dropping out should be included, but de-emphasized at this point. Wwixson (talk) 19:51, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

Specualtion

The "Media speculation on possible candidates" section includes 5 republicans that seem to have only been mentioned in a single Philadelphia Inquirer OpEd "Why Kamala Harris should choose a Republican as her running mate". That's not media speculation but a single columnist fantasizing, entirely undue and should be removed from the section. Mitt Romney was also mentioned in an OpEd by Aaron Sorkin iirc, so he might deserve to stay, the rest really didn't get enough coverage as potential candidates. Showing up across multiple outlets as potential picks should be the minimum for inclusion. — jonas (talk) 22:37, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

Agree, fantasy speculation from one opinion editor given ridiculously undue weight. Should all be removed. Therequiembellishere (talk) 23:33, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

I've removed them all. David O. Johnson (talk) 04:33, 7 August 2024 (UTC)