Talk:2023 in film

Disclaimer: Release date of a film (M3GAN)

Before adding in information or requesting edits, please note that films which were released in any country in 2022 are not eligible to be included in the list of „2023 in film“. You are able to check this yourself by looking at the sources Box Office Mojo and The Numbers. Both provide a list of 2022 releases and 2023 releases, which are linked:

• Box Office Mojo - Worldwide (2023)
• Box Office Mojo - Worldwide (2022)
• The Numbers - Worldwide (2023)
• The Numbers - Worldwide (2022)

An example is the film M3GAN, which was released in December 2022 in the following countries: Belgium, France and Mexico. By that, M3GAN is counted as a 2022 release out of a worldwide perspective and can not be included in 2023 in film. You can find M3GAN on the above stated 2022 linked source, currently at #34 on Box Office Mojo and #37 on The Numbers - numbers can vary depending on their speed on updates.

As M3GAN was released in America in 2023, you can find it on the 2023 List of American films though. I hope this clarifies the situation and we can stop the discussions about it. Vestigium Leonis (talk) 12:31, 29 January 2023 (UTC)

So, where´s M3GAN?

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Ok so the movie has grossed $125 million dollars as of today, which makes it the third-highest-grossing film of the year so far. However, it does not appear on the article´s top 10 highest-grossing films section. Did anything happen to the film? I believe in Ryan Reynolds (talk) 20:48, 27 January 2023 (UTC) It seems like it is counted as a 2022 release in worldwide terms (per Box Office Mojo). It is listed for a 2023 release in the domestic area only. The movie had its domestic release date on Jan 6, 2023, but in other territories in December already (Release dates). Vestigium Leonis (talk) 21:57, 27 January 2023 (UTC) It is released in 2023 in di domestic area so it cant be removed Harharshit (talk) 10:25, 28 January 2023 (UTC) The film was first released in December 2022, therefore a 2022 film. It's the same way we handle films released at a film festival a year before its widely released. Release dates should therefore be restricted to the film's earliest release, whether it was at a film festival, a world premiere, or a public release, and the release date(s) in the country or countries that produced the film, excluding sneak previews or screenings. This stance is also the same as third-party reliable sources. Rotten Tomatoes, The Numbers, BBFC, MPAA. Mike Allen 16:10, 28 January 2023 (UTC) Over at List of American films of 2023, M3GAN is listed in the Highest-grossing films of 2023 table. Maybe we can add a note saying the film premiered in December 2022, but did not open to a wide release until January 2023? Mike Allen 16:29, 28 January 2023 (UTC) I support the idea of adding a note. If we keep it like it is now, there probably will be more people coming around thinking that M3GAN was forgotten and edit the film in.Vestigium Leonis (talk) 17:09, 28 January 2023 (UTC) There was a little misunderstanding regarding the note. We should indeed add something informative, but we have to stick to the sources and keep the movie out, as it is a 2022 release. Vestigium Leonis (talk) 19:09, 28 January 2023 (UTC) Sorry about that, I guess I did misunderstand. I understand the guidelines, but with it being screened at one location in Los Angeles and then not actually hitting the box office until January 2023, what box office list should it go under? Even though we identify M3GAN as a 2022 film, I feel it should still be listed on a 2023 box office table since 2023 is the year it actually hit the box office. I guess we can wait until third party sources write it as a "highest grossing 2023 horror film", if it happens. Mike Allen 19:36, 28 January 2023 (UTC) It was released in America and Canada in 2023, that is correct. Therefore it is listed on the 2023 list in the American section of film releases. The list on here in "2023 in film" covers the box office out of a worldwide perspective though. With M3GAN being released officially in December in Belgium, France and Mexico, it is counted as a 2022 release, no matter which country it was released in first. This is based on Box Office Mojo and The Numbers, so unless they keep it that way we should do so as well. Vestigium Leonis (talk) 19:45, 28 January 2023 (UTC) Thank you Vestigium Leonis for taking the lead and explaining this to everyone.Happy Evil Dude (talk) 10:48, 29 January 2023 (UTC) But in list of films of 2023 in Wikipedia same page m3gan is listed in it.....so I think it will be fair for it to be enlisted...❗ Harharshit (talk) 06:10, 29 January 2023 (UTC) It is also the highest-grossing American film of 2023 as per the list...so can't remove it practically ❗❗❗ Harharshit (talk) 06:13, 29 January 2023 (UTC) As has been explained countless times by Vestigium Leonis, M3GAN was released in the USA in 2023, and so is eligible for the 2023 box-office chart on List of American films of 2023, but it was released in other countries in 2022, so it is not eligible for the worldwide 2023 box-office chart with this page. What is so complicated to understand?Happy Evil Dude (talk) 10:48, 29 January 2023 (UTC) Hey guys thanks for the replies but I think you´re being way too excesive with them I believe in Ryan Reynolds (talk) 16:17, 29 January 2023 (UTC) Yes, the topic got stretched a bit but we can close it now. Vestigium Leonis (talk) 17:06, 29 January 2023 (UTC)

megan should be here, make it make sense

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why is megan not added ? you say its cause it was released theatrically in other countries in 2022 yet none of these chinese films are really worldwide its just china. megan should be here by your logic. 186.6.173.110 (talk) 02:28, 28 January 2023 (UTC) I suppose it's based on when the film was first released, regardless of whether it was released in one country or more than one, and regardless of which country or countries it was released in. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 03:37, 28 January 2023 (UTC) Yes, exactly. I also checked the second source The Numbers, and they do it the same way. In the section for American films of 2023, you can find M3GAN though, as it was released in January there. Vestigium Leonis (talk) 09:46, 28 January 2023 (UTC) I have restored it...as it released in 23 in its home territory.... Harharshit (talk) 10:26, 28 January 2023 (UTC) The disclaimer at the top should clarify any misunderstandings from now on. Vestigium Leonis (talk) 17:07, 29 January 2023 (UTC) As it released in 2023 in its home territory ❗❗❗ Harharshit (talk) 10:27, 28 January 2023 (UTC) It is removed as we base our edits on reliable sources. Please refrain from further edits without sources and possible edit wars. Vestigium Leonis (talk) 11:09, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

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M3GAN has grossed approximately $132 million, which would place it 3rd, however M3GAN isn’t even on the list because this page been vandalised so much. Please do something and turn the edit feature back on. 77.100.78.66 (talk) 10:08, 29 January 2023 (UTC) As has been explained countless times by Vestigium Leonis, M3GAN was released in the USA in 2023, and so is eligible for the 2023 box-office chart on List of American films of 2023, but it was released in other countries in 2022, so it is not eligible for the worldwide 2023 box-office chart with this page. Happy Evil Dude (talk) 10:48, 29 January 2023 (UTC)

Gross of Pathaan's in USD as converted by Wikipedia

Even Wikipedia's Money Converter is saying that Pathaan's gross in USD is $98 million, so why always changing it? Shreyan wiki (talk) 13:05, 5 February 2023 (UTC)

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Megan not included 2406:B400:A9:1871:725A:ACFF:FEAB:2096 (talk) 03:37, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: See above. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 03:55, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

ant man box office wrong

the total is 357,300,000 186.149.53.105 (talk) 23:24, 19 February 2023 (UTC)

According to Deadline and The Numbers, the worldwide gross is $225.3 million. Box Office Mojo most likely has the wrong figure, which is a common occurrence these days. Betty Logan (talk) 23:57, 19 February 2023 (UTC)

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Suzume's Gross

https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Suzume-no-tojimari-(2022-Japan)#tab=summary

$261,100,000 102.22.122.18 (talk) 12:20, 17 April 2023 (UTC)

Suzume doesnt belong here

I dont know why did you report or give me a warning riverbend i said nothing wrong. This is a 2023 worldwide list/section. Same way we didn't put m3g4an, same way we shouldn't put suzume. Suzume came out November 2022. 186.6.167.245 (talk) 15:10, 17 April 2023 (UTC)

and dont delete it, like you did last time. Suzume doesn't belong here, it's a 2022 release. 186.6.167.245 (talk) 15:12, 17 April 2023 (UTC)

Mario Movie Crosses $1 Billion Mark At The Global Box Office This Weekend

Did you know 2023 The Super Mario Bros. Movie Movie Crosses $1 Billion Mark At The Global Box Office This Weekend 24.45.0.63 (talk) 04:04, 30 April 2023 (UTC)

References

Japan?

Japan in the country title along with USA. Nintendo just licensed their movie rights, thats not production. It is an american movie 186.6.189.241 (talk) 21:23, 1 May 2023 (UTC)

 Done removed Japan Yeoutie (talk) 07:26, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

Mario Movie and Pandemic

The 9th bullet point under the Super Mario Bro's movie says that it is the first film to gross one billion dollars since the pandemic ended. Technically all WHO said was that the Public Health Emergency is over, not the pandemic. Should this section be amended to reflect that?

Technically pandemics are not declared or ended by anybody, so I'm on the fence about pushing an edit. TheDataStudent (talk) 05:53, 1 June 2023 (UTC)

Definitely should be removed as the sentence is simply false. A further question though, should it be the last film that has the note about earning a billion since the pandemic began or having a large opening during the "pandemic-era" as many in 2021/2022 have as well? I think so as the public health emergency is a good cut-off point. Yeoutie (talk) 23:27, 4 June 2023 (UTC)

Every billion for Marvel?

At what point will we stop reporting every individual billion Marvel crosses? I'm pretty certain The Marvels will push it over $30 billion this year, a nice round number every but after that will we report the much less interesting and odd $31 billion in 2024 and the $32 billion likely later that year? On top of that, with no new Star Wars (the current 2nd place holder) movies even having a release date right now, the MCU will have grossed triple the amount the current second place holder. Across the spider-verse will probably overtake lead Spider-man (the current 3rd place holder) into 2nd place and push Star Wars into third and while I would say it would be significant for Spider-Man to become the 3rd $10 billion franchise, do we really need to report it becoming the 2nd $11 billion franchise, which Beyond The Spider-verse coming out in 2024 would likely push it towards? Spider-man has just that one movie upcoming and being a subset of the MCU partially it has 0 chance of getting higher billions. On the other hand there are 6 Star Wars movies in development only one of them has a public title and one doesn't seem to even have writers and none have a release date so nobody knows what is up next. Going further down the list there aren't many more of the more unusual billions we need to watch out for. But still, do we need every single billion? QuarioQuario54321 (talk) 04:03, 2 June 2023 (UTC)

And for that matter, should we also be reporting every individual movie that gets $1 Billion at the box office? QuarioQuario54321 (talk) 11:56, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

"Flopbuster" bullet points

Can we do something about those two red-link users who keep edit-warring to remove the widely agreed-upon and well-sourced bullet points in the "box office records" section, about the abnormally high number of box office bombs and "flopbusters" in 2023? It's undoubtedly worth keeping in; the only two users opposed to it have given no legitimate reasons, and have resorted to personal attacks against those who keep putting it back in.

65.222.246.26 (talk) 20:58, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

No. This flopbuster thing is just to stupid to add regardless. And you should be ashamed for this. Olimar's Tonsils (talk) 21:03, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

IP's should not edit war over 2023 in film Untamed1910 (talk) 21:05, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

I'm not the one who added it in, but even if it was, I wouldn't be "ashamed" for simply citing sources that confirm an abnormally high number of high-profile box office bombs, which is indeed a notable phenomenon. And who made you the authority on what's "stupid" to include in a Wikipedia article? 65.222.246.26 (talk) 21:07, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

I don't see any issue with the bullets being added by the IP. Not sure I understand the complaints about "slander". — Czello ^(music) 21:07, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

Same here EvergreenFir (talk) 21:11, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

I wasn't participating in an edit war, I thought the person who kept posting those bullets was spamming the page. Regardless, those points should be removed from the page. But if that's the case, then both Mission Impossible Dead Reckoning Part 1 and Oppenheimer should go on that list. DivineDragonZ1 (talk) 22:45, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

You absolutely were part of the edit-war, but that's beside the point: You and the others who are so vehemently against this have failed to give even one single legitimate reason for why this shouldn't be included, other than calling the points "slander" and "contrarian" (both false and irrelevant). 96.231.249.86 (talk) 22:48, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

I don't have a source to back up my point, it's just an observation I have. I know The Flash is a bomb, but the other films, from the Little Mermaid, Fast X, Transformers and Ant-Man 3 are not flops just cause of some report that's completely bias that states a film can only be successful by achieving a certain amount of money. That's one of the many things that's wrong with this country. DivineDragonZ1 (talk) 23:16, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

Well thankfully, edits to Wikipedia are not made based on one's personal "observations." And each of those films you just listed already describe their respective under-performances on their own respective articles, each with sources cited: The Little Mermaid was called "not a huge disappointment, but a disappointment nonetheless;" TheWrap notes that Fast X had to gross $800-850 million just to turn a profit (it currently stands at $720 million); and so on. So do you want to try to make the argument that The Wrap, Comic Book Resources, Variety, and Deadline Hollywood (amongst others) are all suddenly somehow "biased," as you suggested above? 96.231.249.86 (talk) 00:47, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

Also, do you even read what you write? "the Little Mermaid, Fast X, Transformers and Ant-Man 3 are not flops just cause of some report that's completely bias that states a film can only be successful by achieving a certain amount of money." You do realize that this is literally the point of the box office, right? The whole point of a movie is to generate profits via ticket sales, and that's precisely how some movies are considered flops or bombs, while others are blockbusters. "That's one of the many things that's wrong with this country." Sounds like a personal opinion, which doesn't belong on Wikipedia articles. 96.231.249.86 (talk) 00:56, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

The custom on "in film" articles is that only films that are in the Highest grossing films table should be included in the box-office records section. By my count the points regarding Mission Impossible and Oppenheimer should be removed at this point. The supposed "flops" of Fast X, Little Mermaid, etc. would probably be served better in an "Evaluation of the year" section as done in previous years rather than a "record". (See 2021 and 2022 as examples) Yeoutie (talk) 23:01, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

That I'll agree with you. DivineDragonZ1 (talk) 23:13, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

Barbie as the highest grossing film directed by a solo female director.

The statement in the "Record" section is wrong. This not because Barbie didn't have the record, but because "Wonder Woman" wasn't the highest grossing film directed by a solo female director (despite the citation put) but was the chinese comedy "Hi, Mom" (ref: https://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2021/03/24/box-office-hi-mom-passes-wonder-woman-as-top-grossing-movie-from-solo-female-director/) grossing $841M (https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Ni-Hao-Li-Huan-Ying-(2021-China)#tab=summary), over than Wonder Woman's $822M (https://www.boxofficemojo.com/releasegroup/gr1207325189/?ref_=bo_ydw_table_10).

Despite not being a proper citation, i think we need to put the statement "Barbie surpassed "Hi, Mom" as the highest grossing solo female directed film of all time, hoping that some proper citation would appear. Jotzy (talk) 07:27, 6 August 2023 (UTC)

Barbie s the highest grossing film of the year 2023 in the entire world. ‘Barbie’ Officially Becomes This Year’s Highest-Grossing Movie In The World—As It Edges Past ‘The Super Mario Bros. Movie’ (forbes.com) Idonthaveausernameidonthaeit (talk) 05:27, 3 September 2023 (UTC)

Barbie is the highest grossing film worldwide in 2023

‘Barbie’ Officially Becomes This Year’s Highest-Grossing Movie In The World—As It Edges Past ‘The Super Mario Bros. Movie’ (forbes.com) Idonthaveausernameidonthaeit (talk) 05:50, 3 September 2023 (UTC)

Should the movie No More Bets be included?

I couldn't find an exact number, but VOA says, "The movie also reportedly raked in more than $500 million at China’s box office in the first month of its release" https://www.voanews.com/a/is-a-chinese-blockbuster-discouraging-travel-to-thailand-/7352844.html SentientObject (talk) 17:25, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

Useful reference

I don't know how to use the useful ref template but this is a good analysis of 2023 if the content would be useful for this article.

• Box Office: Existential Crisis As Hollywood Rethinks What Makes a Hit – The Hollywood Reporter

Darkwarriorblake (talk) 14:25, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

The Eras Tour as the highest grossing Concert film.

The statement "Taylor Swift: The Eras Tour became the highest-grossing concert film of all tim surpassing Michael Jackson's This Is It." is wrong (despite the citation put) since Michael Jackson's This Is It isn't a concert film, but a documentary one. Jotzy (talk) 07:29, 10 January 2024 (UTC)