Talk:2020 United States presidential election in Utah

Jorgensen needs to be removed from the info-Box.

One Poll is not enough to fit the qualification, as brought up in the consensus it needs to be between 2/3 polls.(The poll for 10% towards "other" is not reliable, as it includes every other third party candidate.)This article is going against the national consensus, as it needed to be more than one poll to form an average, as more recent polls held in the state show she is back bellow 5%. Benjamin.P.L (talk) 17:31, 21 October 2020.(UTC)

Benjamin.P.L, that is not the consensus. Nowhere does the consensus stipulate that multiple polls are required. I wrote the above consensus note, and included the word "average" to indicate what we'd do if there are multiple polls with different numbers. An average of one poll at 5% is 5%. You seem to be reading an additional requirement for multiple polls that simply isn't present in the consensus. Please read through the consensus discussions carefully. AFAICT, an explicit requirement for multiple polls was only mentioned by you in your !vote, and it certainly wasn't part of the closure. Also, your statement more recent polls held in the state show she is back bellow 5% is false. The 5% poll is the most recent poll that included her as an option for respondents. If there were newer polls showing her below 5%, then we would indeed remove her, but that is not the case. ― Tartan357 ^(Talk) 18:59, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

It was brought up by multiple users in both the first and second discussions that it needed to be more than one poll, the state level should fit the same requirements. (One poll is not enough to reach an agreement set out in the discussion.) All polls must be averaged, you can't focuses on just that one, if it's listed they must be averaged. (That has been mentioned as well in the past) If that was the most recent poll, I could understand your reasoning, but it's not. There has been two more polls since the RMG Research, both with her not being listed or grouped together as "other", showing she has dropped since he RMG Research poll effecting the average. There has also been other polls conducted more recently not added to the article showing she is bellow the initial %5, such as a second SurveyMonkey poll conducted between Sep 23-Oct 20. I do not see any other justification to add her in the info-box other than one poll, that is not enough. Benjamin.P.L (talk) 21:18, 21 October 2020.(UTC)

Benjamin.P.L, The only recent polling data for her shows her at 5%. The same criteria do apply as nationally. Nationally, there are many, many polls, including some that have her at 5%. We don't include her in the national infobox, though, because her polling averages to <5% when you consider all the polls. The editors who brought up the need for an average were responding to previous attempts to include Jorgensen in the national infobox based on a single 5% poll, despite the presence of other, newer polls putting her at 1–3%. We only have the one recent poll for Utah, so there's nothing else to average it with. The two newer polls you mention were done by pollsters that never include third-party candidates. SurveyMonkey does not even allow respondents to give "other" as a response. They only allow Republican and Democratic responses. The most recent polling information available indicates that Jorgensen is polling at 5% in Utah, and you cannot simply presume the existence of lower polling data to contradict that. If you want to challenge the close of that RfC, which is quite unambiguous about this, please do so at Talk:2020 United States presidential election. The key point I'm trying to make here is that you're not providing evidence that she's dropped below 5% support. 5% is the number we have, and you should be able to provide the specific number it's at now if you believe it has changed. The graphical summaries give us a good idea of what polling averages are, and Utah's currently shows Jorgensen at 5%. ― Tartan357 ^(Talk) 21:36, 21 October 2020 (UTC)