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Tokyo 2020 postponed to 2021 announced on 24. March 2020 after a telefone call between the head of the IOC and the Prime minister of Japan

Source (in German): https://www.faz.net/aktuell/sport/sportpolitik/die-olympischen-spiele-werden-wegen-der-corona-krise-verschoben-16694140.html

Plenty of sources has this but they are all quoting the same thing: A veteran member of the committee talking about the phone call. Will the olympics be postponed? 100% yes. Can we update the article? Not until the IOC makes an official announcement. This has been wikipedia policy for a decade, come on guys. 176.231.6.101 (talk) 12:35, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

What policy is that?Renerpho (talk) 02:53, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

Why not rename to "Tokyo (summer) olympics"?

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My understanding is that the main issue is the potential for confusion with the 1964 Olympics? Would a potential solution to the naming problem be to simply call this article the "tokyo summer olympics", with a link to the 1964 games article at the top, and some clear clarification in the first few lines that this is referring to the 2020/2021 games? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 107.184.63.162 (talk • contribs) March 25, 2020 (UTC)

No. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 14:14, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

No. Nfitz (talk) 14:15, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

Not even going to address the merits of this suggestion as there is a requested move discussion above. jamacfarlane (talk) 15:33, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

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"(marking the first time that an entire Olympics have ever been postponed)."

I don't feel strongly enough to be bold and edit it, but I think the parenthetical comment above is, while technically true, misleading and probably not needed in the introduction. True that the 1916, 1940, and 1944 Olympics were cancelled rather than postponed, but to a reader new to the topic, that could be a distinction without a meaningful difference when reading the overview of this article. The 1944 Olympics (to use one of the examples above) were indeed cancelled, but there was an Olympics four years later in the same city where it had been scheduled (London). To a casual reader, is there a distinction between an Olympics being cancelled and an Olympics that could be said to have been postponed for four years? Does it improve understanding of the topic in the introduction to make it sound as though this is the first time that an "entire Olympics" (as opposed to a half Olympics?) has ever been postponed? It is not the first time that a scheduled Olympics did not place in the year in which it had been scheduled to occur; that has happened three times before.

My main concern is that this wording is in the introduction, which is supposed to be the clearest and most essential overview of the topic. The distinction between "cancelled" and "postponed" can be explored in full later in the article. To me, this parenthetical comment is not needed in the intro and will leave some readers with a mistaken impression. Moncrief (talk) 06:52, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

Agree. Opens a can of worms, introduces confusion in 1st para, not needed. Will remove it. The lead will have to be reworked fairly soon anyway, once the dust has settled a bit. Rodney Baggins (talk) 08:53, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

In my opinion, you can add the fact to the introduction. If you read the 1948 Summer Olympics itself, the article clearly said that World War II stopped the plans and the Games were cancelled so London again stood as a candidate for 1948. Great Britain almost handed the 1948 games to the United States due to post-war financial and rationing problems, but King George VI said that this could be the chance to restore Britain from World War II. The official report of the London Olympics shows that there was no case of London being pressed to run the Games against its will. It says:

The Games of 1944 had been allocated to London and so it was that in November 1945, the Chairman of the British Olympic Council, Lord Burghley, went to Stockholm and saw the president of the International Olympic Committee to discuss the question of London being chosen for this great event. As a result, an investigating committee was set up by the British Olympic Council to work out in some detail the possibility of holding the Games. After several meetings they recommended to the council that the Lord Mayor of London should be invited to apply for the allocation of the Games in 1948. And also, in the article 1944 Summer Olympics, written there that the games were cancelled instead of postponed. If you are not sure, if an Olympics got cancelled, there should be a cancellation announcement, and the similar announcement for postponement. So this is indeed the first Olympics to be postponed as with the criteria you mentioned above.—SquidHomme ^(talk) 16:49, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

Dates in the infobox

What do you all think should go in the infobox for date? TBD or what? The reason I ask, is that right now the infobox says

Opening: 23 July 2021

Closing: 8 August 2021

and that can't possibly be right. You all decide what it should say. -- MelanieN (talk) 20:37, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

We absolutely can't put any dates in the infobox because no new dates have been announced yet, so we must use TBA for now. Any new dates will need to be sourced. Rodney Baggins (talk) 21:47, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

I mean it could possibly be right, but we don't put arbitrary dates in there because they might wind up being the dates. Agree with the rest of the above. Remove them for now. Smartyllama (talk)

Language

Reywas92, can you please stop your blanket reverts with regards to the future tenses. It is simply inappropriate to guarantee future events in our own voice. That is just not our assessment to make. Using a conditional future tense is much more appropriate and accurate as the recent developments regarding this event have proven. I also don't understand why you keep reapplying future tense to events that are actually already in the past like for instance part of the torch relay. It be much more helpful if you would focus your efforts on the dozens of articles on the sports events that were schedule to take place this summer and now incorrectly state that they will take place on XX July or YY August 2020. It's to avoid such a mess that we should be so cautious about the usage of a word like "will".Tvx1 14:17, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

I still think the lead should be in the simple future tense as it gives a positive indication that these Olympics will be going ahead at some point in the future. They have just been postponed, not cancelled. Also phrasing such as "planned to", "scheduled to", "expected to" just sounds plain awkward and not necessarily the best way of wording things. I'm glad you've started a discussion here because you and Reywas92 are in the process of an edit war and getting close to ANI. Rodney Baggins (talk) 16:30, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

This "caution" is pointless and unwarranted. You are making the article clunkier without improving its statements. The future tense is not a "guarantee"! It is not "our assessment" to report future activities consistent with the sources – nothing is "proven" in life and hedging and forbidden the simple future does not help the reader who is smart enough to know that "will", written anywhere, is an expectation. See Wikipedia_talk:What_Wikipedia_is_not#Does_CRYSTAL_ban_the_word_"will"?. Reywas92^Talk 17:14, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

I think the best way forward on this is to examine individual points where "will" may or may not be appropriate and discuss as necessary, rather than making blanket changes/reverts. I've made a start on this and happy to continue. I'm doing a search on "planned to", "would", "scheduled to", "are to be", "expected to", "plans to", etc. which in many cases do not provide an unambiguous alternative to the simple future tense. Q: Are we happy to keep the lead section as future tense to give the clear message that the Tokyo Olympics WILL go ahead. There has been no indication that they've been cancelled. Rodney Baggins (talk) 10:50, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

Requested move 24 March 2020

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. Consensus highly unlikely to develop in favour of the proposal, numerically and otherwise. --qedk (t 心 c) 11:55, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

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2020 Summer Olympics → 2021 Summer Olympics – Games have officially been postponed to 2021. While the branding will remain as "Tokyo 2020", Wikipedia's current article name does not reflect the branding nor the locale — just "2020 Summer Olympics" — which is now unquestionably incorrect. I propose "2021 Summer Olympics" as the best alternative, but if there are other suggestions they should be discussed as well. Some possibilities would be "2021 Olympics" (as they may not 100% take place during summer), "Tokyo 2020" (to reflect the branding which will be retained), or "2021 Tokyo Olympics".— Crumpled Fire • contribs • 14:15, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

• Strong oppose. As the games are now to be held in 2021, the title and branding name will retain from now. ApprenticeFan work 14:18, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

I'm not sure I understand your comment. The games are being held in 2021, therefore they are no longer the "2020" Summer Olympics. Yes, the branding will remain as "Tokyo 2020" which I mentioned in my move request, but that is irrelevant to the move request as the current Wikipedia name doesn't reflect branding.— Crumpled Fire • contribs • 14:20, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

For example, a similar major sporting announcement a couple of days ago that UEFA Euro 2020 is now held in 2021 instead of 2020 as the branding still retain the name. ApprenticeFan work 14:23, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

I appreciate the examples, but notice for UEFA Euro 2020 in particular, that is the official name of the event, so I would support that title. I think since the Olympics are such an important and central event, we may not want to rely on other examples. Also, "2020 Summer Olympics" is not an official title, it's just a generic descriptor of the event along with the year it takes place, which is now incorrect. According to IOC, "It was also agreed that the Games will keep the name Olympic and Paralympic Games Tokyo 2020. That is not the title of our article here. Presumably the reason they are keeping the name is so they won't need to jettison "Tokyo 2020" and waste money creating new promo materials, but since we aren't using their official branded name here, our title is not relevant to the fact they aren't changing the branding.— Crumpled Fire • contribs • 14:30, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

• Support as nom.— Crumpled Fire • contribs • 14:24, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
• Support, per titling consistency, likely common name, and since this isn't the official name to keep it at the 2020 name isn't accurate and will confuse readers. Randy Kryn (talk) 14:27, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose, nonsensical nomination. The current common name is 2020, and the assumption that it will be called "2021" in 2021 is WP:CRYSTAL. © Tbhotch^™ (en-3). 14:31, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

The IOC has officially confirmed that the Games will occur in 2021, stating that they will be "rescheduled to a date beyond 2020 but not later than summer 2021", so we know they will take place in 2021 just as much as we knew they would take place in 2020 when they were first announced and thus named accordingly as the "2020" Summer Olympics—this isn't anything to do with WP:CRYSTAL. When this article was first named 2020 Summer Olympics, it wasn't yet a "common name" because it wasn't "commonly" being called anything in 2005. It's simply a descriptive name of the event and the year in which it takes place, just like 2019–20 coronavirus pandemic, which is not a "common name" for that event by any stretch.— Crumpled Fire • contribs • 14:41, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

Lol what. How does saying "event that occurs in 2021 will be referred to as the 2021 event" fall under WP:CRYSTAL? I swear that policy has lost all meaning now and is just thrown around randomly.  Nixinova   T   C   19:41, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

• Strong oppose. This is a ridiculously early request; we should wait until we see how media refer to the Games before we move the page. O.N.R. ^(talk) 14:38, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

This has nothing to do with how the media will refer to it. How many media outlets refer to the COVID-19 pandemic as "2019–20 coronavirus pandemic"? This has to do with the naming conventions at Wikipedia which involve listing the name of the event along with the year in which it takes place. We now know the Summer Olympics are taking place in 2021, not 2020. If we want to instead rename the article to "Tokyo 2020" to reflect branding, we can have that discussion.— Crumpled Fire • contribs • 14:44, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

• Support I agree as the title makes no reference to locale a move is appropriate Steven a91 (talk) 15:06, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose (at least until we know how the media will call the event in 2021). All Olympics are called "WXYZ Summer (or Winter) Olympics", with WXYZ being the year, because the Olympics were always held during the year when it was supposed to be held (apart from those that were cancelled altogether). We have never had a case where the Olympics Games were moved to another year, so we cannot predict how the media will call this special event which has no precedent. So to predict that the media will call it the "2021 Summer Olympics" is WP:CRYSTAL. The Wikipedia naming guideline also follows the same thought process, there is rarely any precedent for such a huge event to be delayed a year, so I don't think previous naming guideline is useful in this case. Chanheigeorge (talk) 15:12, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

• That they will call it the 2020 Summer Olympics is also crystal, so going with the more accurate name makes the most common sense for now. Randy Kryn (talk) 15:17, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

• I fail to see how it was CRYSTAL to call it "2020 Summer Olympics" before today, because it was never anticipated that the Olympics would be delayed by a year, and the media had always used the name "WXYZ Summer Olympics" for the Olympics that is scheduled to be held in WXYZ. If some city decides to bid for the Summer Olympics in 2040, we can pretty safely says the media will write the headline "City bids for 2040 Summer Olympics". Again, we are dealing with a case which has never happened before, so to say that the media will definitely call it the "2021 Summer Olympics" because it is now scheduled to be held in 2021 is pure speculation. Just because the year it was scheduled to be held has been changed does not invalidate all the articles that had been written by the media in the past days/weeks/months/years, which all use the name "2020 Summer Olympics". Chanheigeorge (talk) 15:30, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

• I fail to see why it was crystal before today as well, but that's not what I commented on or said. Randy Kryn (talk) 15:44, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

I think I slightly misread your comment. It was written by another editor (Crumpled Fire) not by you. But my general point remains, even the media is still calling it the "2020 Summer Olympics" after the schedule change announcement: "Tokyo 2020 Summer Olympics Officially Postponed Due To Coronavirus". [1] So until the media decides to call it the "2021 Summer Olympics", we should stick with the name. Chanheigeorge (talk) 15:47, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose Let's wait and see what the IOC says, shall we? If they decide to keep branding it as "Tokyo 2020", the article name obviously should stay the same. // Mattias321 (talk) 15:16, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

If possible, please read the above discussion. We already know they are keeping the branding "Tokyo 2020", they've said as much, but Wikipedia's article name does not reflect the branding they choose to use, it reflects the [YEAR] and [EVENT NAME] naming convention.— Crumpled Fire • contribs • 15:23, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

Can our old naming conventions really be applied, though? We have never experienced this with huge sporting events like the Oympics or UEFA Euros. Let's at least wait and see what the media generally will call it? As WP:NCE says: "If there is an established, common name for an event, use that name." If possible, we should follow that... // Mattias321 (talk) 15:39, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

I agree with Mattias321. The naming convention is pretty much based on all previous Olympics Games which were either held on schedule or cancelled altogether. This one is the first to be held in another year. So when the editors decided on the naming convention, it is unlikely that they anticipated such a special case, so I do not see why we should just blindly follow the convention without gathering more information from other sources (media, official name, general public sentiment etc). Just because it has been moved does not mean the media has now stopped calling it the "2020 Summer Olympics". I mean, do an internet news search, even those that are reporting on the schedule change are still calling it the "2020 Summer Olympics", using headlines such as "Tokyo 2020 Summer Olympics Officially Postponed Due To Coronavirus" [2]. If over time, the media decides in favor of calling this event the "2021 Summer Olympics", then yes we should move, but it is way too premature at this point. Chanheigeorge (talk) 15:44, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

• Support Really not sure why to keep it on 2020 Summer Olympics if it... isn't happening in 2020? aealtrus (talk) 15:27, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose for now, per the above. This is premature and we should wait until we know that the media refers to the Olympics as the "2021 Olympics". It doesn't matter that the name isn't accurate right now - if the name is only used by us, then it's the wrong name. I oppose "Tokyo 2020" too because it's not part of the WP:OLYMPICS naming convention. The outcome of this RM will also affect hundreds of other articles with "2020 Summer Olympics" in their names (for instance, just the pages in Category:Nations at the 2020 Summer Olympics and Category:2020 Summer Olympics events), so this should wait. epicgenius (talk) 15:29, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
• Strong opposse As mentioned in the introduction: "They will still be publicly marketed as the 2020 Summer Olympics, even with the change in scheduling." 31.201.130.50 (talk) 15:31, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose Yes we all can see how odd it might look but, it doesn't matter what makes 'sense' or not here. "Tokyo 2020" might be still retained for branding convenience purposes, and it's nonsensical to change it here when the decision is up to the IOC. Wait and see what they say first, doubtless this will be confirmed later on. Sleath56 (talk) 15:36, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose The official title for the games is still 2020.. regardless of when it actually takes place. Spanneraol (talk) 15:38, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose, if the IOC is not renaming the games to 2021 olympic games we should not move this page. Stryn (talk) 15:43, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
• Strong oppose: The Games will not be rebranded, and the name will remain the same, like UEFA Euro 2020—see here what we settled for in the talk. I read the word ridiculous from supporters of '2021': what is ridiculous to me is not to have a quadrennial competition called with a quadrennial name.
  P.S: The naming of the Games is consistent in all the pages of all other Olympiads: to me is blindly superficial to propose odd and unusual names in the pursuing of undue and unsustainable compromises. —Foghe (talk) 15:46, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

  Comment. The sports are not totally quadrennial. For just one spot, the Winter Olympics were biennial. And now we're in a spot where the Summer Olympics are quinquennial, not quadrennial. Georgia guy (talk) 15:52, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

  Comment Calling the name ridiculous and opposing a move should not be mutually exclusive. We can and do have articles under ridiculous names because that is how they are referred to in reliable sources. Changing your name to the name of an underwear company that paid you money is ridiculous, but we nevertheless have the article at Bruno Banani (luger), not Fuahea Semi (which is a redirect), since that's his name and how he's referred to in reliable sources. Smartyllama (talk) 16:42, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

• Support If the Games are no longer taking place in 2020, there's no point in referring to them in that way. JohnMacTavish (talk) 15:50, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
• Extremely strong oppose. According to the Olympic Committee, the Games will still keep the same name even though it is delayed.[3] Pianostar9 (talk) 15:50, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

Please read the entire thread—the officially "Tokyo 2020" name being retained has already been addressed. Also, shouldn't newer votes go to the bottom of the page?— Crumpled Fire • contribs • 16:17, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose Let's not move it yet. Let's wait until we get an official word from the IOC.—Bde1982 (talk) 15:55, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose for now. Let's see if reliable sources change their terminology per WP:COMMONNAME. —Granger (talk · contribs) 15:57, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose for now It would be stupid to call it the 2020 Summer Olympics when it's in 2021, but that's not our call to make. We just have to go by what is used elsewhere. If "it's a stupid name" alone were grounds for moving an article on a sporting event, then half of college (American) football bowl game articles would need to be moved. Smartyllama (talk) 16:37, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose now as premature per WP:COMMONNAME. 2020 Summer Olympics (or just 2020 Olympics) is overwhelmingly the common name now, also in today's news stories about the postponement. It may change but we don't know. When going to page 4, there are merely 33 Google hits on "2021 Summer Olympics" and nearly all are unreliable, duplicates or only mentioning it as a possible name. We have 335 articles, 85 categories and 52 templates with "2020 Summer Olympics" in the name. Mass moves will start quickly if we move the main article. Delay this chaos which may be reverted later and let's wait and see what becomes the common name. The redirect at 2021 Summer Olympics works fine. There is no rule an event must have its expected year in the title. Awards are often named for the year they are honoring and not taking place. This is a different situation but the 4-year cycle is so ingrained in the Olympics that I wouldn't be surprised if 2020 remains. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:40, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
• (edit conflict) Oppose for now – if it begins commonly going by "2021 Summer Olympics", then we can change it per WP:COMMONNAME. If the branding stays the same and everyone still refers to it as the "2020 Olympics" then I see no reason to change it. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 16:41, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
• Not even worth a discussion Please consult the primary source, not your media outlet! Anyone who has been to college should know that. The Olympic Channel, owned by the IOC, clearly states that the name shall remain 2020. https://www.olympicchannel.com/en/stories/news/detail/tokyo-olympic-games-postponed-ioc/ --2001:16B8:3189:8E00:1B5:A1F6:E43A:E18B (talk) 16:47, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

The amount of rude and insulting comments I'm getting here is getting ridiculous, and you really shouldn't be calling me uneducated when you can't even be bothered to read before commenting. I address the fact that the IOC is retaining the "Tokyo 2020" branding. Go read what has been said.— Crumpled Fire • contribs • 16:54, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

It should be noted that this IP contributor has never contributed to Wikipedia other than this talk page, for this move discussion.— Crumpled Fire • contribs • 17:01, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose Delayed to no later than Summer 2021; the date is unknown at this point, it could be late 2020 for all we know. Opposing per WP:CRYSTAL Kees08 (Talk) 16:56, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

No, IOC has specified "no later than Summer 2021", but has also said "a date beyond 2020". This means a time between January and Fall 2021.— Crumpled Fire • contribs • 16:59, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

I read that and must have selectively chosen to ignore it. The human brain is a strange thing. I have no opinion, striking oppose. Kees08 (Talk) 17:09, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose - WP:COMMONNAME. See also similar discussion at UEFA Euro 2020. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 17:07, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
• OpposeOpposeOppose: (edit conflict) Logically, olympics (summer in the case, same for winter) are held every 4 years, so a 2021 summer olympics would exist regardless if there was a COVID19 outbreak. Also, agruments above state that the name of the event is kept. {{SUBST:replyto|Can I Log In}}^{PLEASE copy and paste the code to reply}(Talk) 17:08, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Wrong. The Winter Olympics were held every 2 years for just one brief time in history. Now we're in another such period where the Summer Olympics are held every 5 years. Georgia guy (talk) 17:25, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
• Support. To me the name is in reference to the year and wether the event is a summer game or a winter game. The games will be held in 2021. I'm okay with waiting until the new name starts being widely used, however, which is why I'm not strong support at this stage. -- Lejman (talk) 17:23, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
• Proposal to call the article Games of the XXXII Olympiad as that will not be in dispute and avoid the entire 2020/2021 controversy. ― Дрейгорич / Dreigorich Talk 17:54, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

  Comment Hello Dreigorich! That would be factually correct, but not consistent with the names of any other Olympic Games articles on Wikipedia. There is an article 1940 Summer Olympics - officially the Games of the XII Olympiad, about the cancelled 1940 Tokyo Olympics. We should try to keep the present article in line with that. Renerpho (talk) 18:57, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

Those 1940 Games also disqualify renaming to Second Tokyo Summer Olympics, since we'd have to agree whether the 1940 Games should be counted or not. Renerpho (talk) 19:00, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

Of course it would. This is an unprecedented and unanticipated situation. Maybe 2020 Summer Olympics (held 2021)? ― Дрейгорич / Dreigorich Talk 21:51, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

That's WP:CRYSTAL. We don't know if the games will be held in 2021. They are postponed to that date, but that's a different thing (especially with a matter as unpredictable as this pandemic). If the games are eventually cancelled, do you want to rename it to 2020 Summer Olympics (cancelled in 2021)?Renerpho (talk) 02:42, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

Sorry for the late reply. In that case, maybe such a move would be too rushed. ― Дрейгорич / Dreigorich Talk 21:58, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose Simply because the official title is 2020 OG. Mohsen1248 (talk) 18:03, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
• Comment. For the record, having already expressed my opposition, I just want to make present that dates, calendar, and astronomy don't necessarily have to match the name: the 1956 Games were for example played in the spring (22 Nov–8 Dec), while the 2016 Games were played in the winter (5–21 Aug), but still be reffered to as "Summer Olympiad". —Foghe (talk) 18:05, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
  • And the previous Olympic Games in Tokyo were during October, hardly summer at all, more like autumn. Chanheigeorge (talk) 18:11, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
    • The name is more a description of the type of sports ("summer sports", in contrast to winter sports) than the time when the competitions take place.Renerpho (talk) 19:08, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
• Support: "Tokyo 2020" is just a trademark and we can redirect. Let us just stay factually correct. ViperSnake151  Talk  18:18, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
• Unsure (weak oppose) - The official name Olympic and Paralympic Games Tokyo 2020 is kept.[4]. The decision to rename the article should consider this. As much as I hope the event can be held in 2021, it remains somewhat WP:CRYSTAL to imply that it will actually take place at all. Also, I haven't seen anyone call it the 2021 Summer Olympics outside of Wikipedia, so this does not seem to be the common name YET.Renerpho (talk) 18:52, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
• Comment there's something wrong about the fact that thousands of words have been spilled here yet editors have not yet bothered to fully update the lead paragraph of Impact of the 2019–20 coronavirus pandemic on the 2020 Summer Olympics to update "concerns" of postponement to the annoucement (I'm about to). Yes, the naming issue here is important, but let's please focus attention where it's needed rather than just gravitating toward argument. Sdkb (talk) 19:07, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
• Weak oppose. The Olympics have said that the event will still be called the 2020 Olympics. I don't agree with that, but that's what they're calling it. Songwaters (talk) 19:08, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
• Strong oppose. 2020 Summer Olympics is still the common name for the Games, it just happens that they will now take place in 2021 instead of 2020. The IOC have stated that the official name will remain "Olympic and Paralympic Games Tokyo 2020" so we should stick with "2020 Summer Olympics" to match the Tokyo 2020 branding and to preserve the original order of events. Also note, the organisers are saying the Games will be held "by the summer of 2021", so if by some miracle they can take place earlier than that, should we then retitle this article 2021 Spring Olympics? I agree that this is crystal ball territory. Rodney Baggins (talk) 19:22, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
• Weak support it's a bit early but having 2021 makes more sense than saying in the lead "The 2020 Summer Olympics ... will take place in 2021". Whatever the outcome of this discussion the lead needs some more footnotes to explain the 2020/2021 naming confusion.  Nixinova   T   C   19:41, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
• Comment - We could have the same discussion at UEFA Euro 2020, which has UEFA Euro 2021 as a redirect. Renerpho (talk) 19:50, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
  • See Talk:UEFA Euro 2020#Too soon to rename it 'Euro 2021'. —Foghe (talk) 19:57, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
• Propose to rename article as 22nd Summer Olympics 29th Summer Olympics (Edit 8:28PM: Changed name. Sorry miscounted and was at work all day. Kiteinthewind ^{Leave a message!} 03:28, 25 March 2020 (UTC)) as it would be wrong to call it 2020 Summer Olympics (due to common sense) or 2021 Summer Olympics (due to IOC guidelines). Kiteinthewind ^{Leave a message!} 20:16, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

  The 22nd?? They're the 29th, after 1896, 1900, 1904, 1908, 1912, 1920, 1924, 1928, 1932, 1936, 1948, 1952, 1956, 1960, 1964, 1968, 1972, 1976, 1980, 1984, 1988, 1992, 1996, 2000, 2004, 2008, 2012, and 2016. That's a total of 28 years, not 21; so these are the 29th Summer Olympics, not the 22nd. Georgia guy (talk) 20:40, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

  Er, it's the 32nd, the Games of the XXXII Olympiad. The title should reflect this. 108.160.125.102 (talk) 20:44, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

What other 3 years had Summer Olympics?? Georgia guy (talk) 20:50, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

1916, 1940, and 1944 were supposed to have Olympics, but they were canceled due to war (WWI for 1916, WWII for 1940 and 1944). Those are the missing 3 Olympics. 1779Days (talk) 20:59, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

And 32 minus 3 is 29, so this is the 29th Summer Olympic games, right?? Georgia guy (talk) 21:02, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

Okay, the naming is screwed no matter which way we look at it. For now, the Games of the XXXII Olympiad may be the most neutral title, and that's what I propose. ― Дрейгорич / Dreigorich Talk 21:14, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

• Certainly, it is the most neutral title. But it is not the most commonly used title, it's used mainly for official purposes and otherwise it should be named whatever the media calls it. See 2019–20 coronavirus pandemic - really it should be called the COVID-19 pandemic, but it got closed down before more media outlets used COVID-19, and even then the internet calls it as coronavirus. RBolton123 (talk) 02:04, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose for now. Rightly or wrongly, the IOC and all sources are calling it Tokyo 2020. If a time comes when people call it the 2021 Games, then we can revisit this discussion, but for now it's premature. Because we don't, for example, even know it will happen next year. Joseph2302 (talk) 21:31, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose due to the fact that it is too early to announce a rename without a decent discussion by the organisation first. Other events in the year has not had their pages moved from 2020... to 2021... either. Iggy (Swan) (Contribs) 21:37, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
• OPPOSE This entire discussion, is STUPID!!! The IOC has already stated they will still be called the 2020 Summer Olympics, no matter when they are held. As for the guy who says XXIII Summer Olympics. The IOC still recognizes 1916 as the VIth Olympiad, & 1940, & 1944 as the XIIth, & XIIIth Olympiads respectively.Subman758 (talk) 21:38, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose and propose Next Olympic Games. 2021 has been proposed, but it's way to early to know whether the pandemic will be over by then. jamacfarlane (talk) 21:40, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
• Strong Oppose For Now The UEFA Euro 2020 competition was postponed to 2021. That page has not been moved to Euro 2021, instead Euro 2021 redirects to the Euro 2020 page instead. For now, until official logos, branding, marketing, and other relevant Olympic material change to reflect the postponement to 2021, have the page 2021 Summer Olympics redirect to 2020 Summer Olympics. boldblazer 23:24, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
• Oppse Name has not changed, like the case of Euro 2020. I was the person who change the 2021 Summer Olympics page to a redirect. SYSS Mouse (talk) 01:12, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
• Really???? The 2020 Summer Olympics in 2021????? Someone Not Awful (talk) 01:21, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
• Weak Oppose - I was going to support this at first, but now I think otherwise. Until the branding changes to 2021 and the media say it's 2021 and the internet calls it 2021 (the last one, not really), it should be called 2020. RBolton123 (talk) 02:04, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

• Proposal Keep the 2020 summer Olympics and create the 2021 summer Olympics, which is used to Redirect the former.In the text, it explains that although the games are called the 2020 summer games, they will be held in 2021.——SIX?|是perfect | ！ 02:47, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

  Comment 2021 Summer Olympics already redirects here.Renerpho (talk) 02:50, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

• Comment This seems a healthy candidate for WP:IGNOREALLRULES. In this case we could go with a WP:COMMON exception, which contains this often forgotten tidbit (boldface is in the actual text): Why isn't "use common sense" an official policy? "It doesn't need to be; as a fundamental principle, it is above any policy." Above any policy. Including the sourcing policy. As we stand now, almost everyone is using the sourcing policy as proof-positive that Wikipedia should continue to knowingly and incorrectly title a page. The title is presently 2020 Summer Olympics. But even the sources say no, these Summer Olympics will not occur in the summer of 2020. Bottom line, the 2020 Summer Olympics do not exist anymore. The next Summer Olympics will occur in the Summer of 2021. If it takes invoking WP:COMMON to recognize that fact then that's what could be applied by the closer, which is a rare occurrence indeed and I have no idea why. Randy Kryn (talk) 02:59, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

Users very often disagree what is common sense. Closers shouldn't be allowed to basically ignore the whole discussion and just say "I do whatever seems most sensible to me." Wikipedia works by consensus. And in this discussion, I think a lot of us who cite WP:COMMONNAME would still support using the common name and year in the official name as the most sensible to us even if there wasn't a policy about it. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:28, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

WP:CONS, consensus, is a policy. So WP:COMMON would apply in ignoring that policy as well. If calling a major 2021 event a 2020 event is acceptable by the closer, fine, but giving the closer another option seems reasonable. I'd personally change this title in a second, it's unnatural, incorrect, and has become misleading. Wikipedia shouldn't put any of those things above common sense accuracy. Randy Kryn (talk) 13:44, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

Bottom line, the 2020 Summer Olympics do not exist anymore. The next Summer Olympics will occur in the Summer of 2021. How do you know that? The organisers have said they want to hold them in 2021 - the same people that for weeks insisted they would go ahead in 2020 without any trouble. I think until a new WP:COMMONNAME emerges, we need to stick with the 2020 Olympics. They've also raised the possibility of holding them in the spring. We don't want to be having a debate every 6 months or so over whether we should change them to the 2022 Spring Olmpics, then 2022 Summer, 2023 Spring, etc. Olympics. jamacfarlane (talk) 19:27, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

• Note to closing admin this number of votes as with SNOW to close this discussion, that we will keep the article and the 2021 Summer Olympics is now a redirect in the article. ApprenticeFan work 03:11, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

• Where did you get the SNOW vote from? The argument for using WP:COMMONSENSE raised just above would stand a good chance of being approved by a discerning closer, so SNOW doesn't apply. Randy Kryn (talk) 03:17, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

• I personally agree with keeping the current name (voted above), but this is not WP:SNOW and should not be handled as such.Renerpho (talk) 03:23, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

• Not SNOW but we most likely will not have an consensus. SYSS Mouse (talk) 13:23, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose - Just because the 2020 Olympics are to be held in 2021, does not mean the branding or name will change. Hansen Sebastian^Talk 03:37, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

• And by gum, at the 2020 Summer Olympics in 2021 they're going to dance like it's 1999. Randy Kryn (talk) 03:42, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

• Comment The statement from the IOC and the Tokyo organizers is that the phrase "Tokyo 2020" will still be officially used, not that "2020 Summer Olympics" is the official name (I'm not sure if it even was in the first place). Use of the name "2021 Olympics" is therefore reasonable given the this IS an Olympics that takes place in 2021. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 107.184.63.162 (talk) 03:45, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

  Comment The IOC statement reads: It was also agreed that the Games will keep the name Olympic and Paralympic Games Tokyo 2020.[5] The official name is (and always was) "Games of the XXXII Olympiad", but I believe there is general agreement that we won't rename the article to that but I don't see consensus to rename it to that. So the question is, do we go with what the IOC and the Japanese government have agreed to, or do we use something else?Renerpho (talk) 04:14, 25 March 2020 (UTC) Struck and rephrased, as there is a proposal that goes against what I claimed.Renerpho (talk) 04:19, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose for now. We should use whatever name is common by then, and we do not know what it is yet. Ythlev (talk) 05:55, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose. Wikipedia does not create news; it presents facts in an abundantly cautious way, or should. No one else is calling them the "2021 Olympics" yet. What we do know is that the branding "Tokyo 2020" will be kept despite the year change. Why would we change the name before all the facts are known, and the games themselves haven't announced a name change? That's not what Wikipedia is about. Moncrief (talk) 06:37, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

• Proposal "All dates except the branding 'Tokyo 2020' should use 2021" and "All dates should use 2020" will only cause ambiguity on all dates in the article. I propose using the title "Games of the XXXII Olympiad". To clarify the ambiguity, all "2020" which use as a branding should be put in quotes.--AngeCI (talk) 08:03, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose Too early to determine whether this article should be renamed or not. Quahog (talk • contribs) 12:36, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
• Comment Several people in this discussion have mentioned mass moves of other articles if this is moved eventually. However, at least some of them may be better off staying put. For instance, Bids for the 2020 Summer Olympics and related articles such as those on each individual bid should probably stay at that title regardless as the bids were for what was, at least at the time, the 2020 Summer Olympics. Smartyllama (talk) 13:54, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose We need to see how it's going to be branded (and even when it will fall). The official name remains Games of the XXXII Olympiad, if we wanted to use official names. Seems to be snowing to me .... Nfitz (talk) 14:14, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
• Comment Use the official name, Games of the XXXII Olympiad, at least as a placeholder name. Don't create names ourselves. We're not IOC.—SquidHomme ^(talk) 16:22, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose per WP:COMMONNAME – if the Games are still being marketed as "Tokyo 2020", then the press and other reliable sources will most likely continue to refer to them as such. Philroc (c) 17:29, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
• Support - The Summer Olympics have been postponed to 2021, therefore we should name it the 2021 Summer Olympics. I might actually support renaming it to Games of the XXXII Olympiad to avoid the controversy. But it's still (most likely) going to take place in 2021, so calling it "2021 Summer Olympics" is more accurate than "2020 Summer Olympics". Sanjay7373 (talk) 20:16, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

Those in support of this page move are making the inference that the next Summer Olympics will occur in the Summer of 2021. (as stated by Randy Kryn above). Yes, we have been told by the IOC that the Games will be held "by the summer of 2021", but Thomas Bach said on the BBC News today that there was a possibility they could be arranged for as early as the spring of 2021, so as I already jested in my Oppose vote above: should we then retitle this article 2021 Spring Olympics? The rescheduling has not yet been set in stone and until the IOC have announced the new dates (which might not be for some time), we're not in a position to rename the article. Rodney Baggins (talk) 22:18, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

Good point, since Spring remains an option. Yet the present title still contains inaccuracy. 2021 Olympics might provide a placeholder until the matter becomes clearer. Randy Kryn (talk) 23:04, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

Maybe, once we know for sure, we can change the name to 2021 Summer Olympics. But it will not be moved to 2021 Spring Olympics. Olympics can be either summer or winter, and Summer Olympics have different sports than Winter Olympics. Maybe I wouldn't mind if we kept the title now. But once we know, for sure, that it's taking place in 2021, we must move this page. If we call it the 2020 Summer Olympics if it's really in 2021, that would be factually inaccurate. Also, seasons aren't as well defined as years are — see the summer article for all the various definitions of summer. "Tokyo 2020" is just a trademark, and we should go by the factually correct name instead of the "official" name. (Summer and Winter Olympics are differentiated by the sports involved.) Sanjay7373 (talk) 05:59, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

That's an excellent point Sanjay, the word "Summer" is key to the definition of the event and the sports contained in it, so we do certainly need to call it "[something] Summer Olympics". The summer games have been held in the autumn on several occasions, and after all, it's winter in the southern hemisphere when it's summer up here anyway, so "summer" is just a referential label. However, I still oppose an immediate move as I think we need to let the dust settle first and wait for the IOC and media to start referring to them as the "2021 Summer Olympics". And we can't be certain that that will happen as they may prefer to keep the general title in line with the branding anyway. Rodney Baggins (talk) 10:14, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

• Comment: Sorry for disturbing local community. I'm from zhwiki and not very familiar with local policy so I do not put my vote here. I just put a link from CNN, where they use '2020 Summer Olypics' after the game has been postponed, for your reference.-- Hamish Welcome 21:52, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose — I may seem a bit of a Cassandra, but we do not yet know whether it will be possible to hold the Olympics in 2021; depending on how successfully the world battles the COVID-19 pandemic over the next several months — a crisis which may eventually result in a catastrophic loss of lives comparable to the two World Wars — the Olympics may have to be rescheduled again to 2022 or later. It would seem unwise to potentially be discussing a second renaming of the event next year. Objectivesea (talk) 22:01, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

If that happens the Olympics will be cancelled outright. SYSS Mouse (talk) 19:38, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose for now. Wait at the least for a few months first until it becomes clearer as to whether it will actually happen (the COVID crisis may well go on for a long time) and reflected by the sources (see if the media uses 2021 in the name) before deciding what to do. Hzh (talk) 09:23, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose Let's wait what the IOC/media will call it. Kante4 (talk) 18:38, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
• Comment: Is it (year) (event)? In that case, it should be "2021 Summer Olympics", just like it was "2020 Summer Olympics" and not some wording of "that next Summer Olympics in Tokyo" when it was scheduled for then. Is it a more Wikipedia article title-sounding version of "Tokyo 2020"? Then it should be "2020 Summer Olympics". Is it about COMMONNAME? Then we shouldn't change it for now, but come back to it in a few months. –Uncreative Username 37 (talk) 22:21, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose for now Given the ever changing situation globally, the Games could be held in the winter or spring of 2021, for all we know. Best to change the title when information is confirmed. Electron2.0 (talk) 23:48, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose, hey I just wanna I oppose the decision to “change” the name, so I agree with Electron2.0, and I don’t really have much to share about my opinion necessarily. Jerry Steinfield (talk) 02:40, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose. Apart from rebranding consideration mentioned by others above, it is not at all certain that the Tokyo Olympics will actually take place in 2021. The games may still be pushed further back, to 2022, or cancelled altogether. Perhaps 6-8 months from now the issue of moving the title may be revisited again. Nsk92 (talk) 14:21, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose It was announced that it will be branded and marketed as Tokyo 2020, so it looks like it should be historically remembered as that. --Dr.Bookman (talk) 18:13, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
• Strong support Y The official name is the Games of the XXXII Olympiad (not "Tokyo 2020") and will be held in 2021. --85.76.76.175 (talk) 23:45, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose for now: I would argue that COMMONNAME applies here. Irrespective of the argument of what's technically correct, if the Games are known months or years from now as the 2020 Games, then the move will seem like a poor choice in retrospect. If they become widely known and remembered as the 2021 Games, there will come a time before too long that the move will be a much less contentious decision. Ichigoichigo (talk) 02:17, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
• Strong support: the event is to be held in 2021. – 333-blue at 09:32, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
• Strong support: Event is in 2021. There are no Summer Olympics in 2020 and the name is weird. The official name is Games of the XXXII Olympiad anyway. Tokyo 2020 is just the branding. --HSV1887 (talk) 14:33, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose – Probably per reasons above as I have not read through it all, but the Olympics are still being marketed as being for 2020, regardless that it is taking place next year instead. JE98 (talk) 19:48, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose Just chill. We don't need to do anything until it is confirmed. Someone tried to move Euro 2020 and was opposed. Someone moved the Copa America that I feel that they shouldn't have done. Heck maybe we shouldn't have moved the 2001 Ryder Cup to 2002. The point is why the rush. All the alternative proposals are non starters. So just chill people and what will be will be. Games of the world (talk) 20:25, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
• Strong Oppose. Seems that the "support" users didn't read IOC press releases. IOC repeatedly stated that the games will be still 2020 Summer Olympic Games, regardless of when they will be held.--Darwinek (talk) 00:35, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
• Comment This surprisingly heated discussion has gone on for a while already, please take a moment before contributing an opinion to read how your argument has been addressed already - as it likely has - and if you still feel the same way try to address that in your response. Even the initial article move proposal acknowledges the "Tokyo 2020" branding, and it's self-evident that those opposing the move are aware that the Games are currently planned to be held in 2021. On that account it would strengthen your points, regardless of your side of the argument, to replace explicit and implicit attacks on other users' common sense or intelligence with a clause or two acknowledging key counterarguments and why you disagree with them. Ichigoichigo (talk) 01:41, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose: The IOC still calls it "Olympic and Paralympic Games Tokyo 2020", reliable source coverage still uses "2020", and there is no indication yet that either will use "2021". On the basis of the official name, WP:COMMONNAME, and WP:CRYSTALBALL, "2020" should still be the year used in the name. — MarkH₂₁^talk 10:20, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

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2020 Summer Olympics → Games of the XXXII Olympiad – Games have officially been named by IOC. This article's name will never need to be changed.--150.66.92.31 (talk) 15:10, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

• Comment. I think we need a discussion on whether only registered Wikipedians:

1. Should be allowed to start requested moves
2. Should be allowed to make the first oppose post.

Georgia guy (talk) 15:39, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

• Speedy oppose. We just had a requested move where this was mentioned by some posters but didn't gain support. And oppose per WP:COMMONNAME which was the overwhelming reason to keep 2020 Summer Olympics. None of our articles have names like this. Almost nobody knows which games this refers to. Many people will be unable to even guess it's a Summer Olympics. And an Olympiad is a four-year period which today has multiple Olympic events called games. You have to work hard to find the name at the official site https://tokyo2020.org. It wasn't on the front page or the first 20 navigation links I tried (a Google site search can find it). We shouldn't confuse around 99% of the readers with an obscure name just because the original well-known name is no longer completely logical. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:35, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
• Speedy oppose, for the reasons above. We just went through this, and that re-naming suggestion was proposed within the debate and rejected. Moncrief (talk) 19:43, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

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Requested move 30 March 2020

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The result of the move request was: Speedy close; 30 day moratorium on all move discussions. A substantial move discussion on this very proposed target was closed as not moved only yesterday. Whilst consensus can change, rapid repeat discussions exhaust the community's patience. Timrollpickering (Talk) 15:18, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

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2020 Summer Olympics → 2021 Summer Olympics – date announcement is on Facebook St3095 ^(?) 14:14, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose per identical move request on 24 March and per the fact the olympics will still be marketed and knwon as Tokyo 2020 . The fact the dates have changed doesn't change anything with respect to the previous move request.
  SSSB (talk) 14:32, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose. Didn't we just have this discussion? You shouldn't keep just relisting it if you dont get your way.Spanneraol (talk) 14:37, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose. You did not read the long discussion above, did you? // Mattias321 (talk) 14:55, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

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• Oppose. We just did this. See above. Moncrief (talk) 15:04, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
• Speedy oppose. The year was already known when the exact same move was rejected above. The specific dates change nothing. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:12, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

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Yesterday Georgia guy asked why the Games are keeping the name Tokyo 2020 so I added "for marketing and branding purposes" with source. That's essentially the reason why the article title remains "2020 Summer Olympics", as it needs to match the official moniker Tokyo 2020, otherwise the anomoly could cause all sorts of confusion for readers. I can try getting some further clarification from the IOC but I'm guessing it's because it would cost loads to change all the existing marketing materials, merchandise, etc. to say Tokyo 2021. Rodney Baggins (talk) 11:00, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

The title of the article needs to match the name used in reliable sources, not the marketing name necessarily. After all, we can all agree the title of the article shouldn't be Tokyo 2020, since that's just a marketing thing. Right now, there is insufficient evidence to suggest that will be the 2021 Summer Olympics as opposed to 2020. So it should stay at the current title. But we could eventually move it if reliable sources call it the 2021 Summer Olympics, even if it's marketed as Tokyo 2020. Smartyllama (talk) 15:32, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

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Tokyo Organising Committee

The Tokyo Organising Committee is referred to throughout the article as the Tokyo Organizing Committee (with US spelling). On both the IOC website and the official Tokyo 2020 website, it's called the Tokyo Organising Committee, so as per MOS:ARTCON should we not be using this spelling? Edin75 (talk) 12:25, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

Good point. I believe we should use the actual spelling (the British spelling in this case). Moncrief (talk) 23:58, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

I think this has happened because the article is written in American English (per template at top) and "Tokyo Organising Committee" would clash with all other uses of the word "organize". Not sure what the guidance is on this. Same problem happens in International Space Station article, which is written in British English, but it's full of facilities whose names contain "Center", e.g. Kennedy Space Center, etc. Personally I think the Tokyo Olympics article would be better in British English, as this is the standard used by the IOC and I'm not aware that Japan specifically uses the American standard. Or does it? Rodney Baggins (talk) 08:24, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

Mix of doubt and optimism

Apparently, there is some mixed reaction of the 2021 games taking place. And there is also some opinions claiming that the games won't be held because a vaccine won't be available until Fall 2021. Would it be appropriate to add in that mix of opinions?— Preceding unsigned comment added by MattNor91 (talk • contribs) 00:50, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

A plea to American editors - Please don't use seasons to denote a time of the year in this global encyclopedia. They are simply wrong for those of us who live in the southern hemisphere, and doubly wrong when you say "Fall", a word hardly used outside the US (and Canada?). I'm still trying to get my head around what months you are referring to there. HiLo48 (talk) 00:29, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

I'd just say we need to keep this new subsection succinct and we should avoid adding excessive detail just for the sake of adding it. We don't need to report every little twist and turn of what people are discussing out there – see WP:TMI and WP:NOTEVERYTHING. Also, I thought the subheading was too wordy so I changed it to "Continuing uncertainty over staging the event in 2021" but if anyone can think of something better... Rodney Baggins (talk) 09:17, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

I don't think it needs a separate subheading.. why cant it just be part of the postponement section? Spanneraol (talk) 13:01, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

Thanks Spanneraol, I agree that this new angle is currently pure speculation and must not be given undue weight. Rodney Baggins (talk) 08:32, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

I also agree about this new angle. The idea of the Olympics being cancelled this early after being postponed is pure speculation and nothing more. Besides, it's way too early to be speculating. MattNor91 (talk) 18:32, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

A plea to American editors - Please don't use seasons to denote a time of the year in this global encyclopedia. They are simply wrong for those of us who live in the southern hemisphere, and doubly wrong when you say "Fall", a word hardly used outside the US (and Canada?). I'm still trying to get my head around what months you are referring to there. HiLo48 (talk) 00:29, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

Fall usually refers to September-October.. but I get your point. Those of us in the U.S. tend to ignore the rest of the world. lol. Spanneraol (talk) 00:32, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

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Name of the game

https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1CHBF_enUS782US782&biw=1366&bih=625&tbm=nws&sxsrf=ALeKk02CLqRKFu7qddvaFDj119CLBBZ68w%3A1596761532499&ei=vKUsX4mHHq3m_QaD44DICA&q=Tokyo+Olympics&oq=Tokyo+Olympics&gs_l=psy-ab.3..0i433k1j0l9.10221.12553.0.12729.14.9.0.5.5.0.147.934.2j6.8.0....0...1c.1.64.psy-ab..1.13.963...0i10k1.0._CiPcYcfGXg

Some sources are now calling it the 2021 Olympics. Georgia guy (talk) 00:53, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

This is wrong as it is still 2020 Summer Olympics being held in 2021, that implies WP:NOTFORUM rules. ApprenticeFan work 13:54, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

Lots of things are called different names by different sources. Georgia guy (talk) 13:56, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

The event is officially named/titled "2020 Summer Olympics" despite being held in 2021. The sources pointing to the "2021 Olympics" are most likely just referring to when the event is being held. KaitoNkmra23 talk 12:20, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

That's because the sources are so literal. The statement that they're still called the 2020 Olympics is an example of an important fact about the real world:

Sometimes events are named after what they're intended to be rather than what they are. Do you know plenty of events of this kind?? Georgia guy (talk) 14:34, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

Official site Tokyo2020.org

The official site https://tokyo2020.org/en/venues/tatsumi-water-polo-centre writes in English centre, but I have been reverted here twice because usually Japanese write American English. No Japanese write Japanese and they usually have no preference about spelling of English. But it is strange to have an Aquatics Centre and then a Waterpolo Center. This is discrepancy and not uniformity of the writing.--Arorae (talk) 13:51, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

Oh and Japan does officially use US English as their English spelling variant, they're taught American English and officially use American English for all bilingual signage and names. Canterbury Tail talk 14:32, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

That page quite clearly has a photo of the facility named Tokyo Tatsumi International Swimming Center, and the map as well. Plus the official site for the building, and all photos of the building clearly have Tokyo Tatsumi International Swimming Center. It's literally just 1 Olympic site, that deals with a temporary renaming to specialize it for the games (which is very common practice) that uses centre. And that's got a huge likelyhood of just being a typo as the photos on that page use center. Canterbury Tail talk 13:59, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

Additionally the facility/builidng name is very clearly Tokyo Tatsumi International Swimming Center not Tatsumi Water Polo Centre. Nowhere in any source, including the one you linked above, can I locate anywhere that refers to the building as Tokyo Tatsumi International Swimming Centre. Canterbury Tail talk 14:08, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

It seems this comes about because the IOC officially uses British English on their websites regardless of whether or not the host country, or even the buildings themselves, use another spelling. However that doesn't change the actual name of the physical building, just the temp branding the IOC has put on it. Canterbury Tail talk 14:34, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

When I read all this infinitely long and (quite) useless text to change only Centre to ~Center, with a Diff as long as this one! : « diffhist 2020 Summer Olympics‎ 14:11 0‎ ‎Canterbury Tail talk contribs‎ rv per WP:BRD, see talk. Additionally that link doesn't refer to the building name of Tokyo Tatsumi International Swimming Center, but the Tatsumi Water Polo Centre (temp branding.) The article about the building is Tokyo Tatsumi Internaional Swimming Center, we don't rename articles due to a temporary sports event branding. See https://web.archive.org/web/20170710005528/http://www.tatsumi-swim.net/ Tag: Manual revert», I think that something HUGE may occur to this page. It is not rebranding. You have reverted more than twice without the ending of any discussion, just showing your pushing for one solution, without respecting the source: YOURS. There is no TEMP branding, just 2 ways of writing centre, and you only like one. That’s it. For me, the discussion is over, until a (kind) third user will participate with a little more open view.--Arorae (talk) 16:15, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

And as per WP:BRD you were bold, you were reverted, then you don't redo the edit but take it to discussion. You've been here long enough to know that. As or the topic at hand, literally the only source for re is the single IOC Tokyo Olympic 2020 site which is the temp branding of Water Polo Centre for the building International Swimming Center which even has the spelling right there in the photo and on the wall. The only reason re is anywhere is because the IOC always writes it's English in British English. But that doesn't make it the name of the building, just what the IOC is temporarily referring to it as. The building very literally has, in large sign on the side of it, Center. What anyone else calls it is actually irrelevant. Canterbury Tail talk 17:10, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

Requested move 10 September 2020

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved, with an indefinite moratorium on new RMs. I do realize they've been archived, but /Archive 2 has three official RMs, with numerous other smaller discussions present in the archives. The only reason why this moratorium should be lifted is if the sponsors/officials/countries change their official naming scheme and there is a significant change in observed naming. Primefac (talk) 11:48, 10 September 2020 (UTC) Primefac (talk) 11:48, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

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2020 Summer Olympics → 2021 Summer Olympics – The 2020 Summer Olympics were canceled due to the COVID-19 pandemic. AdamDeanHall (talk) 03:55, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

No. See both the official website for the Games and the International Olympic Committee's site. Both still call these the 2020 Games. HiLo48 (talk) 04:00, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

I agree with AdamDeanHall the Summer Olympics will take place next year in 2021 and see this website. [6] Richton Shore (talk) 05:01, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

At no point in that article are the Games called the 2021 Games. If the official websites still call them the 2020 games, so must we. HiLo48 (talk) 05:09, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose per HiLo48. This article's main title header should be moved only if there is an official renaming by the Olympic Committee. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 05:19, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose for now. Unless/until "2021 Summer Olympics" becomes the common name, the article should remain where it is. Rreagan007 (talk) 06:01, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
• oppose per the above. No evidence the common name has changed. (2020 Summer Olympics has 94.8 million google hits and 2021 Summer Olympics has 15.7. I could throw a long list of websites but that is unnecessary.
  SSSB (talk) 08:38, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
• NOTE Not surprisingly, this has been discussed on at least two previous occasions, with the same negative result each time. See Talk:2020 Summer Olympics/Archive 2#Requested move 24 March 2020 and Talk:2020 Summer Olympics/Archive 2#Requested move 30 March 2020. Nothing has changed since those discussions. I strongly recommend that this discussion go no further. HiLo48 (talk) 08:52, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
• Snowclose per above. O.N.R. ^(talk) 09:11, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose Yeah, just close this quick. Why is this being brought up again and again? -boldblazer (talk) 09:15, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
• Comment - I morally support this because if this goes ahead in 2021, than I imagine we'll change it then even if the "official name" somehow remains at 2020. As of now though, there's no guarantee it will even happen next year and reliable sources still calling it 2020. Let's re-evaluate at some point in the first half of 2021.  — Amakuru (talk) 09:16, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
• Strong oppose & Snowclose I strongly suspect the 2020/2021 Olympics will end up being cancelled now anyway, whatever we call them. Rodney Baggins (talk) 10:11, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

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Excuse me

Please go to Category:Diving at the 2020 Summer Olympics. It's categorized as Category:2020 in diving, and I want to change it to Category:2021 in diving, but I can't because of a template that automatically allows it to be categorized wrong. Anything we can do?? Georgia guy (talk) 00:33, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

I wouldn't change any of those until the olympics actually happens. Spanneraol (talk) 00:44, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

Request for Rollback

Can I request that this page is rolled back to this version? Recent additions have been made on reported speculation, but hasn't been confirmed by the IOC or by the Japanese Government. I don't think we can confirm that it has been canceled until the press conference of the next IOC meeting on 27 January 2021.

I could undo the semi-protected post since, but it might be worth just requesting a rollback from an Admin. Lama12 (talk) 03:22, 22 January 2021 (UTC) Edits by Lama12 (talk) 03:24, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

• I see this was done by User:Tbhotch. Lama12 (talk) 03:27, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

Updating side articles

I tried to update all articles about the 2020 Summer Olympics that don't say it was postponed to 2021. I did about 70 of them. Maybe someone else could work on the remainder? Gale Peterson (talk) 23:47, 24 January 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for addressing this issue Gale, but you do realise you will have to do it all again when the inevitable cancellation is announced (which is only a matter of time)!? I will be happy to help you with this when things are settled and we know what's going on... I was extremely tempted to throw in a profanity here (about the virus) but I don't want to invoke the ire of the admins! Rodney Baggins (talk) 08:48, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

I thought of that. Thanks for offering to help if it has to be updated. I hope it's not postponed again so we won't need to! Gale Peterson (talk) 19:18, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

Just make {{2020 Summer Olympics fate}} with general text and insert that in articles. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:12, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

That would be great. But I'm not good at making templates. Maybe somebody else could? Gale Peterson (talk) 03:56, 26 January 2021 (UTC)

I just made a template for you and inserted it into Basketball at the 2020 Summer Olympics – Women's qualification, if you want to have a look. When the inevitable cancellation comes, the template will need to be reworded. Might work. Rodney Baggins (talk) 09:27, 26 January 2021 (UTC)

A reference should be part of the template to support whatever the template says at the time, and not come after it like in [7]. I will add the template to the articles with AWB. PrimeHunter (talk) 09:39, 26 January 2021 (UTC)

So I can just use Template:2020 Summer Olympics fate? That's great thank you for making my correction a template! Gale Peterson (talk) 20:15, 26 January 2021 (UTC)

I tried it and it worked! That's a great way to do it. That way if it gets postponed again we can just change the template, so much easier. I'll do that from now on. Gale Peterson (talk) 20:40, 26 January 2021 (UTC)

No probs (it was PrimeHunter's idea). But you only need to put {{2020 Summer Olympics fate}} not {{Template:2020 Summer Olympics fate}}. It does the same thing. Cheers, Rodney Baggins (talk) 20:53, 26 January 2021 (UTC)

Thanks I'll do that! Gale Peterson (talk) 17:46, 27 January 2021 (UTC)

New rumor

Google News reveals that it has been proposed that the Olympics move from Tokyo to Florida (without revealing a city.) Is this rumor true?? Georgia guy (talk) 02:02, 26 January 2021 (UTC)

I just saw that. It's true Florida Chief Financial Officer Jimmy Patronis' is pitching for a move to Florida if Tokyo backs out. But that's a great big if. Gale Peterson (talk) 03:54, 26 January 2021 (UTC)

Load of old baloney. AS IF the IOC would allow that!!! Rodney Baggins (talk) 09:32, 26 January 2021 (UTC)

I heard that Florida sent IOC for moving cites of Olympic. It has been broadcast in South Korea news channel JTBC. -- Wendylove (talk) 01:33, 27 January 2021 (UTC)

It's on the news in several places. Is that worth adding to the article? Gale Peterson (talk) 23:46, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

NO. Rodney Baggins (talk) 09:30, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

Adding to Baggins point, the IOC stated in their most recent press conference that the plan is to go ahead with the games in Tokyo and made it clear that they do not have any plans to move or to postpone again (i.e. if they cannot deliver they will cancel the games.) [8] Lama12 (talk) 14:13, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

I wish COVID-19 was over and we could go back to normal. Gale Peterson (talk) 20:46, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

COVID is much more prevalent in Florida than it is in Tokyo, so there is no way they will do that. Spanneraol (talk) 21:00, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

"Nauru at the 2020 Summer Olympics" listed at Redirects for discussion

A discussion is taking place to address the redirect Nauru at the 2020 Summer Olympics. The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 April 27#Nauru at the 2020 Summer Olympics until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. Joseph2302 (talk) 17:33, 27 April 2021 (UTC)

"Solomon Islands at the 2020 Summer Olympics" listed at Redirects for discussion

A discussion is taking place to address the redirect Solomon Islands at the 2020 Summer Olympics. The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 April 27#Solomon Islands at the 2020 Summer Olympics until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. Joseph2302 (talk) 17:33, 27 April 2021 (UTC)

2021 Summer Olympics in Tokyo, and future Summer Olympics elsewhere

From the beginning of the "modern" Summer Olympics in 1896 C.E., they have been scheduled for the "wrong" years, as compared with the classical Olympic games in Olympia, Greece. All "modern" Summer Olympics have taken place ony year too early, compared with the ancient Olympiad reckoning. Most probably, Baron de Coubertin and his associates were unable to count, or else they would had started the "modern" Summer Olympics in 1897 C.E. instead. This year, the "First year of the 700th Olympiad" (or "Ol. 700.1") will begin on 22 July 2021 C.E. (11th day of the Attic month Hekatombaion), and the "modern" Summer Olympics are scheduled to begin just one day later, on 23 July 2021 C.E. [This reconstruction of the ancient date is based on the well-known assumptions that 1) all the Hellenic months began - in principle - when the youngest Crescent New Moon was visible soon after sunset from Greece, 2) the classical Olympic games were held during five days around the Full Moon, from the 11th to the 15th day of the Hellenic lunar month, and 3) this "Olympic" Full Moon was always the second Full Moon after the Summer Solstice.] Now, the "International Olympic Committee" have a great opportunity to "put things right" and correct the wrong years of Baron de Coubertin, by simply for the future schedule every "modern" Summer Olympics for the Gregorian years congruent to 1 modulo 4 (i.e. the years 2025 C.E., 2029 C.E., 2033 C.E. 2037 C.E., 2041 C.E., 2045 C.E., and so on). In this way, the "modern" Summer Olympics will always begin at appoximately the same time as the ancient Olympic counting of years would have given as the beginning of the "First year of the Nth Olympiad". And now, when we are approaching the 700th Olympiad, let the "Olympic time" be set "right" again with "modern" Summer Olympics occurring in the "right" years; do not let us wait until the 800th Olympiad! /Erik Ljungstrand (Sweden)

I don't understand what you mean. Georgia guy (talk) 13:02, 9 July 2021 (UTC)

Do you have anything to contribute to the article? doktorb _words^deeds 15:09, 9 July 2021 (UTC)

Because its a quadrennial year being postponed from 2020 due to the ongoing virus pandemic. The next Olympiad will be on 26 July 2024 in Paris. ApprenticeWiki work 22:32, 9 July 2021 (UTC)

The next 2 will be Los Angeles 2028 and Brisbane 2032. I can't find any recent sources talking about 2036's host city in any way. Georgia guy (talk) 23:39, 9 July 2021 (UTC)

The modern Olympiads are defined by IOC, not ancient Greece. IOC probably deliberately chose years divisible by four which is easy to remember and calculate. It makes sense to me. Olympiad mentions the difference to ancient Greece which of course didn't use our calendar. The IOC count starts in 1896, not 776 BC. The 2020/2021 games are the games of the XXXII Olympiad where 1896 was the games of the I Olympiad. 1896 + 4 × (XXXII−I) = 1896 + 4 × (32−1) = 2020. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:09, 10 July 2021 (UTC)

Japanese translation of motto

The Japanese translation of the motto is 感情によって統一 or Kanjō ni yotte tōitsu.

but never officially in use.--Arorae (talk) 06:51, 11 July 2021 (UTC)