Talk:2020 Conservative Party of Canada leadership election/Archive 3

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Fundraising details

We should incorporated these fundraising details into the article.--Darryl Kerrigan (talk) 15:47, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

It is an interesting ref, but hard to write into an encyclopedia, because so much of it is speculative. Perhaps you need to propose some actual text here? - Ahunt (talk) 15:52, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

What I meant was including the fundraising totals:

1. MacKay - $1,045,851
2. O'Toole - $784,997
3. Leslyn Lewis - $447,646
4. Derek Sloan - $410,263
5. Jim Karahalios - $294,522
6. Marilyn Gladu - $94,734
7. Rick Peterson - $35,598
8. Rudy Husny - $28,941

I am not sure if this data is also available somewhere on the Elections Canada or CPC websites. The data only seems to include funds raised in the first three months of 2020, not sure if other data before is available (or when data since will be available). That said this seems to be something we should include. Should it be another section or table, included in the infobox? I am not suggesting we speculate, but I think we should include the raw numbers and neutral prose about them as fundraising is usually a big part of campaigns. I welcome suggestions.--Darryl Kerrigan (talk) 18:16, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

I think that would be okay, as long as we get final totals. Did you want to add it to each candidate's sections then or would this be a separate section? - Ahunt (talk) 14:09, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

I think it needs to be its own section. Presumably it could be expanded when there is more information about fundraising and spending. Putting it just in the candidates section makes it hard for readers to easily compare. I do not think it should be in the infobox though unless we can obtain total fundraising numbers. Even then, I am unsure whether it would be appropriate.--Darryl Kerrigan (talk) 21:43, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

That all makes sense to me. I think if you are going to add the interim numbers, then it would be ideal if you could commit to ensuring the final numbers get entered when they become available, just to make sure the article gets updated. - Ahunt (talk) 21:46, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

Thanks to Humberland for adding the Q2 details. Now that we have these details should we maybe throw them into a table? Maybe rows showing Q1, Q2, and total thus far. For some it will have to remain TBD as Sloan has not confirmed his numbers and the EC ones are not available yet.--Darryl Kerrigan (talk) 16:35, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

Sounds good. That should make it more organized and easy to read.Humberland (talk) 19:57, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

Alright, I took a stab at it. Some tweeking will be required.--Darryl Kerrigan (talk) 21:02, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

Why are some of these boxes blue and others not? Are we trying to indicate who won with the most contributions and total funds each quarter. Do we really need that? Also where are these contribution numbers coming from for Q2 and Total? Am I missing something? Also why has info about the geography of Derek Sloan's contributions been removed? Also why are we refering to these as donors not contributions, the original source does not make clear if these are unique donors or could include multiple contributions from the same person.--Darryl Kerrigan (talk)

I really don't think it is necessary or helpful to have three different tables here. Do we really need three tables to chart the contribution amounts, number of contributions and main areas candidates are raising most of their funds? This seems to simply make the entire thing more confusing. Also the questions/concerns I expressed above are also still live.--Darryl Kerrigan (talk) 23:53, 13 July 2020 (UTC)

New Endorsements

Former MP Mike Wallace has endorsed O'Toole, does anyone mind if I update the section in former MPs? - CanadianCon2020 (talk) 01:30, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

If you have a WP:RS, then you should WP:BEBOLD. Have at it.--Darryl Kerrigan (talk)

I got an email from him lmao. — Preceding unsigned comment added by CanadianCon2020 (talk • contribs) 01:42, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

Sorry forgot to put the signature, is it ok if I post it on the page. -CanadianCon2020 (talk) 01:49, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

Emails are not a reliable source. We need something that others can verify. - Ahunt (talk) 01:53, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

If the email has a link to a press release that may be appropriate.--Darryl Kerrigan (talk)

Understandable, if it becomes public I will repost in here before posting on the main page. Cheers guys, - CanadianCon2020 (talk) 02:04, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

Peter Kent just endorsed O'Toole. It is publicly posted on O'Toole's Facebook page. 142.122.138.119 (talk) 21:31, 25 June 2020 (UTC)TS

Erin just tweeted about it, I'm going to update the source to the tweet so it's uniform with the other endorsements. I also noticed that a couple of the ridings in the MPs that endorsed Erin didn't link to the electoral page and linked somewhere else with the same name, if you see any its a quick fix, when making the link just add (electoral district) in the wiki search. - CanadianCon2020 (talk) 23:01, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

Elect Conservative is a popular Instagram page, would it not make more sense to post their endorsement under media rather than Organization? - CanadianCon2020 (talk) 19:41, 26 June 2020 (UTC)

User Trent Brownlee added a school board trustee under former municipal politicians, does that fall within the municipal politician category? - CanadianCon2020 (talk) 03:22, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

A former school board trustee? I would classify them as "not-notable" and suggest it be removed. That is so far down the totem pole that he is not much different than a member of the public, plus no bio on Wikipedia, so "not notable" for that reason also. - Ahunt (talk) 17:33, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

I'm confused, you folks have former municipal politicians is a category, but have decided they don't count if they aren't prominent enough? Perhaps you could clarify, change it to "Prominent Former Municipal Politicians" for all candidates? - User:TrentBrownlee (I've never commented before did I do this right?) —Preceding undated comment added 23:32, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

Ill take it out, Erin dropped a bunch of Ontario MPP endorsements on twitter so Ill add those in too

- CanadianCon2020 (talk) 19:29, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

If failed candidates in elections or leadership races are not notable, then why are those people included in the endorsements list in the 2020 Green Party Leadership Race wiki page? Youhunt (talk) 08:58, 12 July 2020 (UTC)

Because WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS - those need removing too. - Ahunt (talk) 11:55, 12 July 2020 (UTC)

Good call removing the Tanya Granic Allen endorsement Ahunt. I was gonna add it since she sent an email party-wide in support of him but she still hasn't said anything publically like on social media and Derek hasn't recognized the endorsement yet. Once one of those two things happen lets put it back up but for now, I agree on keeping it off. - CanadianCon2020 (talk) 17:35, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

You can also note, that despite the blue link, we have no bio article on her. JAFLC. ("Just Another Failed Leadership Candidate")- Ahunt (talk) 17:39, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

Good point didn't notice that until now

-CanadianCon2020 (talk) 21:48, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

Someone added Tanya back

- CanadianCon2020 (talk) 16:44, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

Donations (Update)

The current breakdown for the donations section under Q2 is broken down by individual donors not dollar amounts, is it the same for Q1 and should provinces be awarded based on total dollars collected or total individual donors? Because both seem relevant. - CanadianCon2020 (talk) 06:10, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

Dollars are definitely relevant. It seems that at least some candidates have been trying to obscure the amount of money raised by emphasizing the number of donors and these may be "dollar donors". - Ahunt (talk) 11:45, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

I agree, should we break it down so that it’s clear who’s won dollars provincially and who’s won based on number of individual donors? Also there’s been a lot of screwing about with numbers. Like I can’t actually find the elections canada document that everyone seems to be sourcing, so I’m getting numbers from tweets from pollsters or campaigns. I looked for that doc for a good half an hour hahaha. Campaigns have also made claims without putting in numbers or just straight up manufactured numbers so idk how reliable the campaigns are. Hopefully someone can find the elections Canada document everyone is citing. CanadianCon2020 (talk) 03:40, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

In reading the posts candidates are making about fundraising it looks more like psychological warfare to me than anything factual. If we can get the hard data from third parties, like Elections Canada, we can use it, but I wouldn't take much that that candidates post as more than "spin". - Ahunt (talk) 12:19, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

One of the earlier updates on the provincial breakdown I think was take from a campaign’s advertisement, so should we take that out until we can find the actual document from elections Canada then decide how to proceed CanadianCon2020 (talk) 15:49, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

Fixed the discrepancy which led to the edit getting undone. I grabbed the individual donor numbers from this website, itstartsrightnow.ca/the_path_to_victory Apparently they narrowed it down by removing the duplicates from a master list. That list will most likely not become public so for now those numbers are probably the best we have. Also the provincial breakdown is currently entitled "Most Donated to Candidate by Province" to me that reads like most donated to as in most dollars received per province. We should either modify the title or modify the data to better reflect the title. Also I took out the sources that cited candidates twitters. -CanadianCon2020 (talk) 17:48, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

I think this was better when it was one table with dollar donations and contributions in brackets the same table. With three separate tables, it is far too cluttered now. The geographic data does not need its own table, and was better as prose. I am not sure it is needed at all, but if it is we should include it in a way that reduces clutter. Finally, there is no need to bold, highlight or change the shading for the fundraising "winners". Fundraising is a part of the contest, but it does not decide who wins (though it plays a role). Let's just include the data as it is and let the reader attach their own significance to it. When we emphasize who received the most dollars or contributions or suggest the fundraising "winner" we are not being entirely WP:NPOV.--Darryl Kerrigan (talk) 20:31, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

I personally think that we should source donations and donors from neutral credible sources such as Elections Canada instead of from itstartsrightnow.ca/the_path_to_victory. You do realize that itstartsrightnow.ca/the_path_to_victory is a pro-life non-profit organization called Right Now and if you've seen their social media posts, the organization supports Leslyn Lewis and tries to promote Leslyn Lewis whenever they can. What I'm trying to say is that we shouldn't use numbers from any organization that promotes any candidate(s) that are in this leadership race. I agree that it seems like a psychological warfare and candidates in the leadership race are always trying to show "momentum" when there might not be. Youhunt (talk) 14:30, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

I agree guys, can someone find the elections Canada doc for Q2, I know the rest of the blog post from Right Now was all conjecture but the first part is relevant data with the duplicated donors removed, we should be able to find a less biased source and I think we're all in accordance that campaign materials shouldn't be sourced due to clear bias. - CanadianCon2020 (talk) 16:42, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

So does that mean we, can all agree that we should use polling numbers set out by Elections Canada, instead of getting them from a non-profit pro-life organization that supports Leslyn Lewis? Youhunt (talk) 17:46, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

Yes. - Ahunt (talk) 17:49, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

Yes, it can be hard to get them from Elections Canada though. I usually can't make sense of their reports because they are piecemeal, and often require OR in the way of us doing our own tallys. There have been new stories however that have reported on the totals, and those are WP:RS. We originally referenced them, not sure when the other sourcing was adopted or why.--Darryl Kerrigan (talk) 20:00, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

Worth noting WP:CALC: "Routine calculations do not count as original research, provided there is consensus among editors that the result of the calculation is obvious, correct, and a meaningful reflection of the sources" - Ahunt (talk) 20:52, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, that is worth noting. Yes, I have a hard time ensuring I am seeing all the contributions to the candidates when I look through those spreadsheets, but if someone is confident with their calculations by all means. When possible, I think using also WP:RS media reports is also helpful (and more accessable to readers and editors). If they confirm the same things all the better.--Darryl Kerrigan (talk) 21:27, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

Thats a good point Ahunt, not sure how reliable the numbers from RightNow are for Wikipedia purposes in hindsight, but they may be the best case scenario as of right now because prior reports were based off of actual campaign statements which were purposefully biased. I think i saw a national post article about the leadership numbers so we can just use that.https://nationalpost.com/news/battle-for-donor-dollars-tightens-among-conservative-leadership-contenders — Preceding unsigned comment added by CanadianCon2020 (talk • contribs) 21:29, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

forgot to sign off, my bad

-CanadianCon2020 (talk) 21:31, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

Photos

Does anyone know where they can get an image that we can use on Wiki? I think that we need an updated photo of Peter MacKay since the photo that's being used currently is from approx. 2011, and now it's 2020. Youhunt (talk) 14:32, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

On Wiki Commons. - Ahunt (talk) 14:33, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

What do the editors think about using this photo instead of the current one for Peter MacKay, [1]? According to the wiki link, it says it is from 2014. On this page: On Wiki Commons it does not have any photos of Peter MacKay in 2019 or 2020, but 2014 is the closest we can get currently. What do the editors think? Should we use this photo [2]? Youhunt (talk) 14:41, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

I don't think it is as good a photo as the one we are using currently. It is not just a matter of dates, he is laughing in the one you proposed, so not suitable for this usage. - Ahunt (talk) 20:30, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

Alright, I guess we will keep the current photo for now until there is a photo of Peter MacKay taken in 2019 or 2020 that we can use and is suitable for this page's usage. Youhunt (talk) 07:23, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

Debates

Should we add reason(s) about why candidate(s) were unable to attend debate(s)? Youhunt (talk) 21:27, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

Sure, as long as we quote WP:RS. - Ahunt (talk) 21:32, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

I would recommend doing this in a footnote.--Darryl Kerrigan (talk) 23:09, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

I think it is best if we type out the reason for the absence, as some readers may think the candidate(s) purposefully skipped the debate(s) when that is not the case. Youhunt (talk) 02:25, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

Notes

I think we have to be careful on how it’s done, usually politicians don’t tell the truth about why they don’t show up to different events. We shouldn’t be speculating on Wikipedia or citing campaign sources CanadianCon2020 (talk) 16:42, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

We usually deal with that by presenting as "what they said", rather than it being a fact. - Ahunt (talk) 21:55, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

Agreed, that is how we deal with it. "[Politician] said they were unable to attend because...". There usually is no other sourced version that contradicts what they say, but if there is we can include the other version too. For example, Timmy said his dog ate his homework. When contacted by his teacher, Timmy's mother told her that the family does not own any pets.--Darryl Kerrigan (talk) 19:14, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

Polling

What is considered a "credible poll"? Previously Leslyn Lewis tweeted a picture of polling done by Maru/Blue and it was not added onto the Wiki page. Well, I think I added it and it got removed, the reason for the removal was, I think one of the editors said that we only add "real polls". Is Maru/Blue a credible poll? Youhunt (talk) 14:42, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

Hmmm I still see the Maru/Blue poll there, its under Conservative Party supporters and all Canadians

- CanadianCon2020 (talk) 16:35, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

I'm talking about this poll: https://twitter.com/LeslynLewis/status/1268598130083278855?s=20, it was done by Maru/Blue. There's more too; https://twitter.com/LeslynLewis/status/1268950288318246915?s=20, https://twitter.com/LeslynLewis/status/1269267804202561536?s=20. Youhunt (talk) 17:45, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

It looks like Leslyn's team paid for the poll and also it was conducted based on vague bios, not sure it is relevant for Wikipedia — Preceding unsigned comment added by CanadianCon2020 (talk • contribs) 21:25, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

I'm not sure if it was paid because when I went to Maru/Blue's website, I was unable to find those pdf poll publications. Do you know if the latest Maru/Blue poll was paid by Peter MacKay's campaign or another campaign? Youhunt (talk) 07:21, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

Not sure, I’d assume they were again commissioned by the Leslyn camp but hard to know forsure. In the citation I linked the blog says “We hired a polling company...” so that’s where I got that from CanadianCon2020 (talk) 04:00, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

I found a new poll from Mainstreet Research and it has a break down of each round. https://twitter.com/CanadianPolling/status/1295947685619474434?s=20 Youhunt (talk) 07:57, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

References

Useful Endorsements

Given that the Sloan endorsement from Laura-Lynn Thompson was deleted and she is a prominent individual with 13.5K Twitter followers (Hard to argue that she is not a relevant endorsement in terms of popularity)

I think we need to have a clear definition on what a useful endorsement is for Wikipedia purposes. I like what Ahunt said when it comes to the endorsements having a Wiki page to link to as it lowers the possibility of vandalism but there are endorsements currently for all candidates whether it be from individuals or organizations that do not have Wikipedia links. Especially, since we've had issues with some updates including questionable endorsements How should we proceed? -CanadianCon2020 (talk) 23:25, 14 July 2020 (UTC)

Good discussion topic, thanks for starting it! I would support that individuals be wiki-notable (ie have a bio on Wikipedia) to be included, but there may be some cases where people without bios might be acceptable, too, and I think those are the ones we need to iron out, if any. I also think we should omit endorsements from notable people, if that person is the candidate's spouse or other relative. I would say organizations, too, ought to have a Wikipedia page showing that they are notable, mostly because we want to avoid organizations that were started just to endorse someone and only have two members, etc. - Ahunt (talk) 00:08, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

I agree, there arent many to begin with and it should be done on a case-by-case basis. Looking at whats currently there

- Erin has an endorsement from a caucus that doesn't have a Wiki page - The organization Right Now is listed under three candidates and the source is questionable - MacKays wife is listed under his endorsements for other prominent individuals - MacKays dad is listed under former MPs - Sloan posted about that endorsement from Laura-Lynn Thompson earlier today - Leslyn has an endorsement from a popular Instagram page, "Elect Conservative," and I mentioned earlier not sure if it should be listed under "Organizations" or "media" if at all I think it would be worthwhile to start with these what do other people think -CanadianCon2020 (talk) 01:44, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

Peter MacKay's dad is a former MP, and he did endorse Peter MacKay according to his website. https://www.petermackay.ca/former_parliamentarian_endorsements?page=1 Elmer MacKay is on the endorsements list on Peter MacKay's website. Elmer MacKay is supposed to be on the endorsements list because he has a wiki page and there's proof that Elmer endorsed Peter.

The citation for Peter's wife is a Toronto Sun video and in the video, Peter says that his wife supports him. Her endorsement is notable because she has a wiki page. Youhunt (talk) 10:06, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

If we should not include endorsements that are family/relatives of the candidates, then shouldn't we remove Jim Karahalios' only endorsement from provincial politicians? Belinda Karahaliios is Jim Karahalios' wife and an Ontario MPP. I think that we should include endorsements that are family/relatives of the candidates, ONLY IF they have a wiki page and there is proof that they support that candidate(s). We should not add family/relative endorsements, if they do not have a wiki page or if there is no proof or both. Youhunt (talk) 10:14, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

This leadership election seems to have become little more than an "endorsement competition", likely due to the limited campaigning imposed by COVID-19. Candidates just seem to be trying to get endorsements from "anyone" to make it look like they are winning. We need to be careful here to not play into that and make sure that individuals and organizations are notable endorsements and not just frivolous or unimportant ones. I think all the endorsements from relatives should be removed, even if the person has a bio page on Wikipedia. It just isn't notable that your own spouse or father supports you. It would be very notable if a candidate's spouse endorsed someone else in the race, however. - Ahunt (talk) 12:31, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

We know that MacKay's dad and wife are cited that's not the issue. The issue is that we need a consistent standard. You know John O'Toole is Erin's dad and he is not listed under former Provincial Politicians because he is his father. Its not notable, I wouldnt need a source to know that Erin's dad supports Erin or that MacKay's wife supports MacKay. Its irrelevant since the reason other people would endorse would realistically be based on policy or political history not personal relation. Also yes Belinda Karhalios should go too, OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. Ahunt is right, its become an endorsement competition which is why this discussion makes sense.

- CanadianCon2020 (talk) 15:50, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

Also User:DJT1946, if you're gonna add Laura-Lynn Thompson back, make sure you add the total number of endorsements.

- CanadianCon2020 (talk) 15:53, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

So it sounds like we are starting to formulate a standard here, then. Let me propose it in a bit more organized fashion:

Endorsements should only be included if:

• Individuals: People who have a biography article on en.wikipedia and who are not relatives of the person endorsed.
• Organizations: An organization that has an article about them on en.wikipedia and is not affiliated with the individual endorsed (i.e. person endorsed is not the founder, CEO, etc of the organization)

Thoughts? - Ahunt (talk) 00:45, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

I like them, we'd have to do some deleting though (of current endorsements)

- CanadianCon2020 (talk) 06:13, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

Definitely! Let's give this a day or so for other editors to object and if not then this will become our "consensus inclusion criteria". - Ahunt (talk) 12:14, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

Well with no objections or further discussion I think we have a consensus as stated above. I will clean up the non-conforming endorsements and adjust the numbers accordingly. - Ahunt (talk) 17:45, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

 Done - although it may be good if someone double checks my math! - Ahunt (talk) 18:26, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

What about endorsement(s) from a regional campaign manager(s) that has a wiki page and is not family related with the candidate that they are endorsing, should we add those kinds of endorsement(s)? Youhunt (talk) 07:31, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

I would say if it is someone working on a candidate's campaign that endorses that same candidate then that should not be included. Everyone working on the candidate's campaign is already supporting them by working on the campaign, so it isn't really notable that they might post endorsements of teh same person, in fact it sounds like simple PR work for the campaign. It would be notable if they were working on one candidate's campaign and endorsed anothere candidate, though. - Ahunt (talk) 12:57, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

When the leadership race ends on August 21, 2020, should we add an endorsement map for current MPs? I think it is best if we add an endorsement map after the race because if we add one before the race is over, we will have to constantly update it when an MP from the caucus endorses a candidate. I think we should also add a Senate endorsement map too. Youhunt (talk) 08:00, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

I also think that we should add an endorsement map for provincial politicians. We should only add the map for provinces that have provincial politician(s) endorse a candidate. We shouldn't add a provincial endorsement map if no provincial politician endorsed any candidate, for example, we would not add a Quebec provincial map, as there was no Member of the National Assembly endorsing any candidate. We should add a provincial endorsement map for British Columbia, Alberta, Saskatchewan, Manitoba, Ontario, Newfoundland, Nova Scotia, and Nunavut. Youhunt (talk) 08:12, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

You can create an endorsement map from https://www.yapms.com/ and screenshot the final results. Youhunt (talk) 09:23, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

Why would an endorsement map be of any encyclopedic value? It doesn't show public or popular support, just that some politicians from some place endorse them. Why is this of any value for readers. What does it tell them? - Ahunt (talk) 12:48, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

I agree. It is not useful and not realy neutral. A map of endorsements assumes that the primary relevance of endorsements is local and is likely to be felt locally. In reality, people may value the opinion of a prominent politician or individual for reasons other than geography (ie. their political views, career, perceived stature, character, or business acumen, sex/gender, "lived experience", membership in a religious or ethnic community, athletic prowess, physical appearance, voting record, military service, etc... etc). Trying to display endorsements as a geographic factor alone is an unwise endeavour. I will also say, to the extent we map this by riding it also would create problems where a prominent individual lives in multiple places. Is Mike Duffy a PEI resident or a resident of Toronto? Also, what about international endorsements? Also mapping out endorsements might give the perception that someone has lots of endorsements when what they have is many "lower value" endorsements. Not all endorsements are of equal "value". By "mapping" them the same wouldn't we be suggesting they were of "equal value"? So, isn't it just better for us to say these are the people who have endorsed the candidates, and then let people decide for themselves how important each endorsement is?--Darryl Kerrigan (talk) 17:51, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

I think one of the greatest arguments for not doing this is that it gives the visual impression that having the support of the NWT is more important than all or PEI or of Toronto. The geographically big ridings make the support look big, when it isn't, so these maps are misleading. - Ahunt (talk) 21:18, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

Is The Star endorsing Peter MacKay? https://www.thestar.com/opinion/editorials/2020/08/19/peter-mackay-is-the-best-choice-to-take-conservatives-forward.html Youhunt (talk) 23:04, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

It is already in the article, see https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2020_Conservative_Party_of_Canada_leadership_election&type=revision&diff=974017896&oldid=973857696 - Ahunt (talk) 23:13, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

Voting system

The article doesn't mention anything - is this just first past the post or does the winner need an overall majority? Ivar the Boneful (talk) 04:18, 23 August 2020 (UTC)

It’s a ranked ballot system CanadianCon2020 (talk) 06:56, 24 August 2020 (UTC)

VOTING TALLIES

(Posted to top for visibility. Will be updated as results are posted)

1ST BALLOT:

Peter Mackay: 11,328.55

Erin O'Toole: 10,681.40

Leslyn Lewis: 6,925.38

Derek Sloan: 4,864.67

2ND BALLOT:

Erin O'Toole: 11,903.69

Peter Mackay: 11,756.01

Leslyn Lewis: 10,140.30

3RD BALLOT:

Erin O'Toole: 19,271.74

Peter Mackay: 14,528.26

WINNER: Erin O'Toole (3rd Ballot)

Results being read live from this live stream: https://www.cp24.com/video?clipId=68597

The Legacy (talk) 04:43, 24 August 2020 (UTC)

Do we have results by ridings? I can't find it anywhere. TheKaloo (talk) 12:59, 24 August 2020 (UTC)

Nevermind TheKaloo (talk) 20:16, 24 August 2020 (UTC)

Please restore the Platform Section

It provided a great overview of the candidate's platform. These items are not always easily accessible on the website — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ashkljma (talk • contribs) 21:49, 22 August 2020 (UTC)

The section above shows why this was removed. It became overly long, contained "buzzwordy" language, did not contain the policies of all candidates, and suffered from other problems. It was proposed that instead 4-5 main policies be included under the summaries for each candidate. That would be in fitting with what has been done on some other leadership campaigns. Feel free to add a few main policies under each of the candidates in bullet form if you wish. If you do so, try to rephrase the policies into clear language and neutral language. Thanks--Darryl Kerrigan (talk) 20:05, 24 August 2020 (UTC)

There is no unbiased and accurate way to choose which policies are "main" policies. By listing the platforms, we were able to give readers a thorough and unbiased overview that was clearly organized into rows and columns. Each reader should be able to decide which policies are "main". The policies should not be hidden from them.Humberland (talk) 14:18, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

As with many things we would look at the prevalence in WP:RS. Candidates often have a few policies which they put in the forefront of their campaigns, feature prominently on their websites (or in their platforms), mention frequently in interviews (or are frequently asked about by media), and give lengthy speeches about at their campaign events. These would be the "main" policies we would put in these sections. If there is disagreement about them, we can discuss further here.--Darryl Kerrigan (talk) 17:47, 25 August 2020 (UTC)