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8th of December

Hello, I’m having trouble with editing this page. I’d like to add that on the 8th of December (2020) Margaret Keenan, 90, was the first person in the world to get the Pfizer jab outside of the trial for the vaccine. The trouble I’m having is that when I click to edit the section detailing events in December, I am redirected to that of November instead. As I am only new to editing on Wikipedia I was wondering if there is anyone more knowledgeable than me who could help with this problem.

Thank you in advance. Wikaven (talk) 20:52, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

Palindrome Day

On 02/02/2020 there was a (once in a thousand years) universal date palindrome. The last time this occurred was 11/11/1111. The next time it occurs will be 12/12/2121 and then after that we'll be waiting until 03/03/3030.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-51349158

Interesting but really trivia and a date style that is not universal which is probably why it has not been included. MilborneOne (talk) 11:07, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

I agree. I don't think that's worth including. Deb (talk) 12:21, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

This one WAS universal though, which is the point. Regardless of date format in any region, it formed a palindrome. Something that usually only happens around once every 1000 years. Fair enough if you both feel it's unworthy of a mention. I beg to differ.

How can it be universal when some countries/religions follow a different calendar? Deb (talk) 14:04, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

PS. won't 10/03/3001 qualify? Deb (talk) 14:06, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

Or 12/02/2021 or 22/02/2022 etc so not that rare or worthy of mention. MilborneOne (talk) 14:41, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

Nope, they wouldn't qualify as universal date palindromes as some regions use mm/dd/yyyy and others use yyyy/mm/dd or various other combinations of these. If you read the article I posted it explains, better than I clearly can, why 02/02/2020 was so rare a calendar date. As for the calendar issue, I believe almost every region on Earth today either exclusively uses the Gregorian calendar or uses it on conjunction with a different calendar.

Not really relevant but 12/02/2021 works in both mm/dd and dd/mm ! - as already said its just trivia. MilborneOne (talk) 15:47, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

No, 12/02/2021 actually doesn't work in mm/dd format as it would read 02122021 in US format. Which as you can see is clearly not a palindrome. I mean you can call anything trivia, really. It was an event that people made note of at the time and celebrated, even if for trivial reasons. I feel it warrants inclusion. But I'm clearly outnumbered on the issue so no use continuing this unless other likeminded editors come to agree with me.

I see. Please understand that it's nothing personal. Deb (talk) 16:43, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

Oh of course, I'm not taking it personally whatsoever. Sorry if it came across that way to both of you.

Semi-protected edit request on 1 June 2021

add more events to the year 2601:205:C002:D1E0:1D2E:44ED:50CB:F5F4 (talk) 21:31, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 22:16, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

Chuck Yeager

On the contrary, the images did fit into the page. Lochglasgowstrathyre (talk) 23:32, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

As far as I'm aware, if the image or image caption goes beyond the final entry (which is actually shown on the screenshot), that means it doesn't fit. --Thescrubbythug (talk) 14:38, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

"Draft:2020" listed at Redirects for discussion

An editor has identified a potential problem with the redirect Draft:2020 and has thus listed it at redirects for discussion. The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 December 21#Draft:2020 until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. Jalen Folf (talk) 21:34, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

Covid-19

Why are we repeatedly linking to COVID-19, throughout this article & the 2021 article? GoodDay (talk) 00:04, 24 December 2021 (UTC)

Yes, I don't want an edit war regarding 2020 association with COVID-19 so can we please decide on it here? 68.50.116.194 (talk) 17:40, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

Nominated for deletion back in 2007

I know this has no relevance, but can anyone tell me why this was nominated for deletion 14-15 years ago in May of 2007? If nobody responds I can get that you would think a lot of people wouldn't stay on Wikipedia for that long but they do but maybe I'm just wrong sorry 68.50.116.194 (talk) 17:42, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

I do not know, the following is speculation: I guess in 2007 someone said: "Oh, that's 13 years in the future, there is nothing we can know about 2020. Let's delete it." and they then discussed it at the nomination page, and someone said "there is a Great_conjunction#2020 in 2020, we certainly know that." and then it wasn't deleted. I guess if you create an article for 2036 today, something similar would happen, were it not for the smart people who created 2030s and 3rd millennium and preempted such problems by redirecting future years to these articles. Once again, I do not know, the above is purely speculation. 91.65.158.14 (talk) 19:56, 16 March 2022 (UTC)

And as to staying on WP for that long, I am in my 18th year on here and not planning on leaving.... :-) 91.65.158.14 (talk) 20:01, 16 March 2022 (UTC)

>smart >2030s Okay, bud, lol... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.14.210.62 (talk) 20:39, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

Hanau terrorist attack

Germany had a terrorist attack with 11 dead, I'd guess that is worthy of inclusion: Hanau_shootings But I don't know the exact criteria used here, so I am not WP:BOLD but instead ask for your help and opinion.--91.65.158.14 (talk) 16:42, 16 March 2022 (UTC)

Just need a reference from a reliable source. Deb (talk) 18:12, 16 March 2022 (UTC)

hey Deb, thanks for your reply. The Associated Press generally is considered reliable: https://apnews.com/article/shootings-turkey-germany-international-news-cultures-b5736c3dba1d677e89ef947bcf5ab213 - If there is a problem with that, the article Hanau_shootings has 43 other references. --91.65.158.14 (talk) 19:46, 16 March 2022 (UTC)

Okay, done. Deb (talk) 19:53, 16 March 2022 (UTC)

Thanks a lot! 91.65.158.14 (talk) 19:57, 16 March 2022 (UTC)

It was a domestic event for 2020 in Germany. Jim Michael (talk) 20:57, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 May 2022

Can you add this event? February 13 – The McClatchy newspaper chain files for Chapter 11 bankruptcy. Link Thank you 2601:205:C002:D1E0:51A9:AB3F:2ECB:67D9 (talk) 03:12, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. Not convinced this meets criteria, the paper chain hasn't closed. Feel free to discuss further here though Cannolis (talk) 05:36, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

To be honest, this should be added to an article because even though it is US, it mostly affects other countries and affect the quality of the year, so this should be added to this page. It is fact that it should include shift to digital and falling circulation. And how does it not meet the consensus? --2601:205:C002:D1E0:D11:AA22:BE7:46C1 (talk) 05:52, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

Please explain how it affects other countries. Deb (talk) 07:58, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

It affects other countries because the link that contain local newspapers, also contains news from international cities like London. Visit this link over there: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McClatchy 2601:205:C002:D1E0:B0B7:360C:595E:DD5E (talk) 08:15, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

The first thing I did was look at that, but I don't think that it establishes the level of international significance you're suggesting. There are plenty of news services in other countries that cover US news but that doesn't establish international notability either. Deb (talk) 08:25, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

Does this mean that this should be added in this article? 2601:205:C002:D1E0:B0B7:360C:595E:DD5E (talk) 08:31, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

So far, two people think it shouldn't and one (you) thinks it should. Deb (talk) 08:50, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 11:08, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

International Palindrome Day

02/02/2020 was an International Palindrome Day (a day where the date is mirrored, everywhere around the world, regardless of date formatting). Such numeric dates usually only occur once every 1000 years, the last one was in 1111 for example. The next one will be in 2121, however after that there won't be one until 3030. Worth a mention? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-51349158 92.5.97.136 (talk) 08:48, 28 August 2022 (UTC)

Collage added by User:KoopaDaQuick

I'm very doubtful as to whether this adds anything to the article. It's not informative, as it contains no explanation of what any of the symbols are. I considered deleting it. Would like to know what others think. Deb (talk) 09:51, 18 August 2022 (UTC)

I agree with Deb, it's redundant and we don't normally add collages to main year articles, also we already have an event section with pictures in it, not to mention some of the events on the collage aren't even mentioned in the article itself. 4me689 (talk) 15:34, 18 August 2022 (UTC)

We don't normally add them to main year articles, yeah, but I've been meaning to make more collages/montages for (at the very least) the more modern years, as singular years can be defined by events and cultural trends. Maybe a smaller montage with much fewer pictures, yeah, but I don't think abandoning the idea outright is completely necessary.

Adding a picture to connect with the main subject makes it easier for the reader to connect with the topic, and when all of our year articles look the exact same except for some minor differences, it helps give more personality and differentiation. KoopaDaQuick (talk) 19:47, 18 August 2022 (UTC)

actually, KoopaDaQuick, after thinking about it more I do support it now. it's kind of a good idea, it will represent each year as its own individual page. though before we can do it we would need consensus I'll open up a talk page section in the 2022 article and you can go leave a message on there. 4me689 (talk) 00:20, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

Regardless, it needs to be discussed on the project page. Deb (talk) 09:37, 28 August 2022 (UTC)

Death of Chadwick Boseman

The statement that "2020 has been a highly disruptive year that has been heavily defined by the COVID-19 pandemic and Death of Chadwick Boseman, which has led to global social and economic disruption, mass cancellations and postponements of events, worldwide lockdowns, worldwide protests, and the largest economic recession since the Great Depression of the 1930s." seems inappropriate at best, and an act of vandalism at worst.

There is no equivalence between the COVID-19 pandemic and the Death of Chadwick Boseman. And that's aside from the fact that none of the things it "has led to" can actually be attributed to his death.

Please remove.

 Done Jim Michael 2 (talk) 21:56, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

Photo Montage

That's a cheery little set of photos you've added, isn't it? Could you not find anything positive to include? Deb (talk) 07:43, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

Please remove this caption and image: "Mourners at the funeral of Qasem Soleimani, killed by a U.S. drone strike" - there is already an entry and an image of Soleimani in the Deaths section - we don't need the funeral covered here as well. Deb (talk) 07:49, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

well @Deb:, it affected iranian-american relationships so badly, to the point where it almost became a war, plus it was a picture in the event section before the collage was added. 4me689 (talk) 16:42, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

The funeral did? Come off it! Deb (talk) 17:47, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

2020 wasn't exactly the most pleasant year globally. Wikipedia tends to (and should) reflect reality. --BorgQueen (talk) 16:56, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

4me689 - Please remove this collage until you have consensus to include it. If you won't, I will. Deb (talk) 17:45, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

well @Deb:, what is your 8 events that you think should be in the collage. 4me689 (talk) 18:30, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

4me689 - There is no consensus that there should be 8 events, so don't try to force that outcome. Deb (talk) 18:33, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

Well I'm not trying to force a outcome. I'll be ok with a collage with 6, or 7 pictures, though in my opinion i think that 8 is the best. 4me689 (talk) 18:41, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

Lets let @TheScrubby:, @Jim Michael 2:, and @KoopaDaQuick: speak for themselves on this matter 4me689 (talk) 18:49, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

Crew Dragon isn't important enough & the 2020–2021 Indian farmers' protest is too domestic. Jim Michael 2 (talk) 21:56, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

@Jim Michael 2: do you have any alternatives,

also I forgot to ping @The ganymedian:. 4me689 (talk) 22:01, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

Why would you remove the collage? Some events of 2020 have been significant and everyone would agree on that, such as the Beyrut Explosion or the COViD19 Pandemic. Unless you guys have really good arguments, I'm at least adding both of those back. --CodemWiki (talk) 16:00, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

I agree with @CodemWiki:, re-add the collage please, I added a customizable collage with both the Beirut explosion and covid-19 for the time being until we can all get this sorted out, the vote at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Years#Survey leans towards support for collages, so there's no removing them. 4me689 (talk) 20:16, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

Even if that were true, everyone has said that each collage should be discussed and agreed, and this one hasn't been. So stop anticipating approval of your work and start discussing it sensibly. Deb (talk) 15:18, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

CodemWiki - with all due respect, as a very new user you can't be expected fully to understand the history or appreciate the principle of achieving consensus for controversial changes before making them so, whilst your contribution to Talk pages is welcomed, it is not enough to sway the argument. Deb (talk) 15:26, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

okay let's get everyone who said it was case-by-case basis @Chaheel Riens:, @InvadingInvader:, and @Dhrm77:, should the 2020 article have a collage. 4me689 (talk) 20:55, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

@4me689: - Canvassing again! Deb (talk) 07:51, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

Debateable - 4me689 has pinged those who stated a preference for case-by-case approval, rather than those who supported blanket approval/disapproval. It would seem logical to call on them to do exactly that when the circumstances arise? That's how I read it, anyway. Chaheel Riens (talk) 12:37, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

No. As soon as you start selecting people to inform (especially when you know that these are people who agree we should have collages), you are not inviting impartial discussion. Deb (talk) 12:42, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

Except that's not the case. Although I cannot speak for the other users, I have not agreed to have collages, I've said that it depends on each case. Indeed - my contributions to this article so far have been to remove the collage not once, but twice - here and here. I know what you mean about canvassing, and although 4me689 may be hoping he gets agreement, that's not a given. As it happens, in this case I'm ok with the collage, but I'd like to see some more Euro-centric details added here before I'm happy, if my opinion is worth anything. Chaheel Riens (talk) 13:13, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

Yes. We should be debating what exactly to include instead. Deb makes a good point that we should try to find something positive to include; 2020 wasn't ALL bad. InvadingInvader (talk) 23:19, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

Yes. If 2020s has a collage of key events, perhaps 1 per year, individual years should probably have a collage of somewhere around 4 key events. Covid and its consequences (lock-down) seems an obvious choice. But on the positive side, it's hard to find an event that could be represented by a picture. Perhaps the discovery of TOI 700 d, an habitable exoplanet that is very high on the list of near-earth planets, was discovered in 2020, and is not mentioned in the article, yet. Of course, if that was event was to be chosen, only an artistic representation could be shown, since exoplanets cannot be directly observed yet. Dhrm77 (talk) 11:31, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

Replying due to ping. I support the collage as seen in this edit.[1] It has a wide spread of topics, and does not favour any particular country. Crew Dragon and the 2020–2021 Indian farmers' protest may not seem to be of import to some editors, but they are notable enough for articles, and they happened in 2020 - making them relevant to the article, although I'd probably remove SpaceX, and add in something a bit more European - but that's just me. Chaheel Riens (talk) 21:04, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

The RFC at Wikipedia:WikiProject Years is still ongoing, concerning whether or not to have these Collage images. We really should just stop everything, until that RFC is formally closed & a decision rendered. GoodDay (talk) 03:38, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

• 4me689 Please fix the captions on the "collage". It still says "clockwise", which can't possibly apply when there are only two images. This is making us look very amateurish. Deb (talk) 07:31, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

  Fixed 4me689 (talk) 14:10, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 November 2022

Are you going to add collages with picture representing the defining moments of main years including the pandemic and protests back to the article "2020"?

Thank you. 2601:205:C001:EA0:D2E:95F5:7A12:B8D7 (talk) 05:36, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Aoidh (talk) 07:21, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

No. Not until there is consensus. Deb (talk) 08:53, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 November 2022

Another moment to added to this 2020 year article:

• "November 25 – Penguin Random House agrees to acquire rival publisher Simon & Schuster from ViacomCBS for US$2.175 billion."

I found the information with those sources. This should be on this article. -- 2601:205:C001:EA0:DD9D:F980:1B2C:6117 (talk) 19:53, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

The event is not significant enough for a main year article. 2020 in the United States is a better fit. PaulRKil (talk) 20:26, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

Reasons? -- 2601:205:C001:EA0:DD9D:F980:1B2C:6117 (talk) 21:33, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{Edit semi-protected}} template. I personally think it is not a very significant event, as its importance is highly confined to a specific industry and largely to the US. Actualcpscm (talk) 22:48, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

Agreed - like the vast majority of mergers & acquisitions, this isn't important enough for a main year article. Jim Michael 2 (talk) 05:01, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 December 2022

John Andretti died on January 30th, 2020. He was an American Race car driver notable for running in Indy Car, Cart, and NASCAR. 216.223.223.11 (talk) 03:46, 16 December 2022 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Andretti

States his death. 216.223.223.11 (talk) 03:53, 16 December 2022 (UTC)

 Done RealAspects (talk) 12:31, 16 December 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 December 2022

A request for the statement to be added to this article:

• February 4: Belgian cartoonist Lectrr causes a diplomatic incident with the Association of Chinese Enterprises in Belgium and Luxemburg by drawing the Chinese flag and replacing the yellow stars with 'danger' symbol(s).

I requested for an edit. — 12.171.253.138 (talk) 01:05, 26 December 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. RealAspects (talk) 07:40, 26 December 2022 (UTC)

References

2020 Collage candidate images and topic suggestions

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.

Give your opinion on what topics should be included in the 2020 collage, cuz there's a Content dispute on the 2020 collage so here's a section for it

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  option A Ukraine International Airlines Flight 752
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  option B1 George Floyd protests
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  option B2 George Floyd protests
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  option C1 2020–2021 Indian farmers' protest
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  option C2 2020–2021 Indian farmers' protest
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  option D 2020 Nagorno-Karabakh war
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  option E1 COVID-19 pandemic
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  option E2 COVID-19 pandemic
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  option F Assassination of Qasem Soleimani
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  option G 2020 Beirut explosion
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  option H 2020 Calabasas helicopter crash
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  option I 2020 Malian coup d'état
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  option J Zoom
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  option K Crew Dragon
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  option L Tigray War

feel free to add a subject, pinging everyone who was on the last discussion @Deb:, @BorgQueen:, @Jim Michael 2:, @The ganymedian:, @CodemWiki:, @Dhrm77:, @Chaheel Riens:, and @Quake1234:. I will also ping the regulars, AKA @Wjfox2005:, @PaulRKil:, @TheScrubby:, and @MrMimikyu1998:. 4me689 (talk) 04:04, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

This discussion really should not be started until the RfC at WT:WikiProject Years has concluded. ~BappleBusiness^[talk] 02:53, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

Hmm, I think all of them should be featured and included in collages. They are the most important events in year history. -- 204.129.232.195 (talk) 16:24, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

Maybe you didn't read what it says. There is no proposal to include them all. Deb (talk) 16:33, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

Maybe you aren't paying attention. 204.129.232.195 proposed just that. Dhrm77 (talk) 12:59, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

Including all of them in the collage isn't reasonable. It'd require either making the collage too large or the images too small. Jim Michael 2 (talk) 05:01, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

J, E1, K, L, and G. I think the media such as movies, video games, and TV shows and education, especially schools should be included in the collage images. It would be better though. -- 204.129.232.195 (talk) 21:48, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

A, B1, C1, C2, G, E, K,, and I, those are the photos I chose. But more in depth is required. Others have agreed that some are correct. —2600:1010:B12A:AE74:30BE:A78E:1D4C:56E8 (talk) 20:30, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

@4me689 My suggested topics for this collage on this article is from option A to E2. Nothing else to say about that. -- 2601:205:C001:EA0:DD9D:F980:1B2C:6117 (talk) 21:23, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

B1, E1, F and G definitely need to be included. Im not sure about the other 4 though. I think Kobe's death should probably be there. Saying it was a "domestic event" completely ignores the fact that literally, everyone, knew about it. I don't live in the US but it was the talk of the town. Calling the crash a US domestic event is not fair TRJ2008 (talk) 13:50, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

Also, I think Option D is a good option for the collage as well TRJ2008 (talk) 13:51, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

L works as well TRJ2008 (talk) 13:55, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

I would like to choose J, K, L, D, and A. There are those pictures that should be included in this 2020 year article. I know that these events influenced and defined the year as well as Leap Day that makes a year so special. 204.129.232.191 (talk) 22:32, 11 January 2023 (UTC)

B2, C1, D, E1, and J are the ones I choose from here. -- 2601:205:C001:EA0:8D0D:93:9EB9:6D19 (talk) 01:22, 12 January 2023 (UTC)

Some comments:

1. We've already discussed this above.
2. To reiterate what Jim Michael 2 said above, "Crew Dragon isn't important enough & the 2020–2021 Indian farmers' protest is too domestic."
3. 2020 Calabasas helicopter crash is a US domestic event
4. An image of Qasem Soleimani's funeral is not meaningful, and his image is already in the deaths section
5. Your chosen image of Zoom won't work because it would need to be reduced for the collage and this will render it meaningless
6. You are canvassing again, and you've repeatedly restored the collage without addressing the issues. If you want to get blocked from all Year pages, you are going the right way about it. Deb (talk) 05:27, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

A, B1, D, E1, F, G, I & L. Jim Michael 2 (talk) 09:10, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

Seconded. TheScrubby (talk) 23:51, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

Thirded, though I do have a slight preference towards B2 and E2 instead of B1 and E1 because they seem to be more widely used/are more iconic, but that's not a big concern. @Deb, @Jim Michael 2, @TheScrubby, do you think this can be finalized yet? Johnson524 (Talk!) 01:39, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

We still seem to be proceeding on the assumption that we need a collage, which I don't think we do. There is certainly no rule that we have to have 8 images - it's way too many. Most of the images are of crowds and are pretty meaningless because they don't depict any recognisable event. Only the COVID image (E1) is meaningful. If we want a motif for the year, that would serve well enough on its own. We also don't need a collage where the images are squashed so as to make the people and buildings look tall and thin or short and fat, as has been the case with all the collages uploaded on year pages so far. That just looks amateurish. Deb (talk) 09:21, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

I would have to personally disagree with calling a main collage "amateurish". Seeing visuals in encyclopedias often adds to the reading experience by breaking up the lines of text with color, making the page more appealing to those who click on it. Keeping in mind the squishing or stretching of images, I agree images of crowds often don't work, so I suppose the use of B1 and E1 are better pictures to fix this issue. Johnson524 (Talk!) 14:27, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

I didn't call "a main collage" amateurish. I called the ones we have so far amateurish. The images you are selecting from are not as they appear when the 'designers' crush them into their chosen frame in such a way as to distort the proportions. Deb (talk) 19:40, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

B1, C1, E1, F, G, J, K & L CodemWiki (talk) 09:37, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

How many warnings do we have to give 4me689? They have been warned numerous times to stop canvassing and their various methods of disruptive editing, yet they continue. ~BappleBusiness^[talk] 03:01, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

So, is this article still going ahead with a collage or are we leaving it? If we are adding one my suggestions out of those images would be A, B1, C2, D, E2, G, I and L. CaptainGalaxy 20:56, 3 January 2023 (UTC)

I thought it had a collage but it was deleted I don't know why. In my opinion someone can add one. Coldbolt (talk) 09:14, 9 January 2023 (UTC)

It seems this effort has gone dormant, which is a shame. I think this article should have a collage like the surrounding years do. I might try to measure consensus in the above and put something in place in the future if no one objects. Crossroads ^-talk- 19:28, 1 February 2023 (UTC)

Agreed. There seems to be greater consensus to include a collage rather than to not, with some of the main opposition stemming from disagreement with the nominating user and on how to format the collage, and not so much the idea of the collage itself. To wrap up this discussion which was started nearly 3 months ago, I put together a quick table including how many votes each letter got for inclusion.

Final voting tally table
A 7 B1 7 B2 3 C1 4 C2 3 D 8 E1 9 E2 2 F 5 G 8 H 0 I 5 J 4 K 4 L 8

I know talk page discussions are decided by the merit of the argument and not the number of people who agree or disagree with the given topic, but I felt that in this case it would be helpful to display everyone's votes together to gauge how much support each letter has. The results of the voting seem to show, if we are doing eight images, that E1 (9), D (8), G (8), L (8), A (7), B1 (6), F (5), and I (5) are the most popular picks. If we choose to cut down on the amount of images in the collage to decrease the chance of squashing and stretching the images, remove them starting from 8th place, as the letters are in order of the amount of their popular votes (listed to the right of them). It should be noted I crossed out the nominations for C and H because they were considered to be too domestic of events (which I agree with) and wouldn't fit for representing the year 2020 on a global scale, but they didn't receive enough votes either way so that doesn't matter. With these results, @Crossroads: what do you think? As long as there are no other last-minute suggestions, this seems the best way for determining which images should be included in the final collage. Cheers! Johnson524 (Talk!) 03:57, 2 February 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for compiling this! This sounds good and I think a collage of 8 pictures is good since that appears to be the norm for these. Crossroads ^-talk- 23:26, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Murder of George Floyd

There should also be a mention of the murder of George Floyd in the lead. AKK700 02:19, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

Inclusion of video-conferencing in the collage

2020 Zoom conference call.

Video conferencing was the thing that marked 2020 the most for workers and students. Video conferencing can represent the lockdown itself. Lockdown is what is brought up the most when thinking back of 2020 retrospectively (after covid itself). I know a vote-based decision has already been taken, but I do not understand why a representation of this lockdown and its effects (such as a Zoom call) was not included in the collage, and no arguments were provided for its non-inclusion.

Seems like such a wasted opportunity to accurately depict to future humans what 2020 was like. 2020 wasn't just wars and rubble. CodemWiki (talk) 10:42, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

honestly I see a good argument here, I wouldn't mind Zoom being on the collage, we can replace either the funeral of Iranian major general Qasem Soleimani or Ukraine International Airlines Flight 752 as both of them took place in Iran. 4me689 (talk) 22:08, 2 October 2023 (UTC)

There are many reasons why we should stop editing these collages. They're perfect as they are, so please stop editing them. DementiaGaming (talk) 19:55, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

They're not perfect. But I agree to believe there are other reasons we should stop editing these collages. CodemWiki (talk) 20:01, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

Well, there has to be a stopping point at some point at time. I respect the fact that people like them, but I do not respect the fact that they edit the collages constantly to the point where they are unrecognizable from where they originally were. If they keep editing these, this will happen. My point is, people will always disagree with these collages in some way or another, so we have two choices: either to keep them as they are forever, or remove them permanently. DementiaGaming (talk) 20:24, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

Also, as discussed in the 1995 collage, we don't include software into the collages. Including software for the year that they were created is illogical, because the software may not have been the most popular the year it was created. Zoom reached its peak was reached in 2021. DementiaGaming (talk) 18:23, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

Videoconferencing was around long before 2020. Deb (talk) 16:09, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

War has been around for a long time, not sure what point you're trying to make. CodemWiki (talk) 16:55, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

Videoconferencing is obviously not a suitable image to represent COVID-19. Deb (talk) 17:40, 19 October 2023 (UTC)